[HanafiUK]

Aslaamu Alaikum

 

I wanted to share some hadiths with you where it states that muslims should celebrate eid on one day and when ever a muslim sees a moon, we all should break fast and celebrate Eid.  I dont want to know if the moon is actually seen correctly or not, but just want someone to explain the hadiths below as some muslims claim from these hadith and maybe other or similar hadith, the eid should be celebrated if a muslims sees a moon or group of muslims or country. Jazakhallah

 

The people who celebate Eid with a certain muslim country always quote these hadiths to justify their stance. 

 

Also some groups use slogans such as ONE MOON, ONE RAMADAN, ONE EID, ONE UMMAH in order to win people minds

 

Also can any brother or sister tell me what was the opinion of all the 4 school of thoughts on the observation of the moon and regarding Eid celebrations, expecially Imam Abu Hanifa RA as my cousin claims to follow Imam Abu Hanifa RA opinion

 

• NARRATOR AbuUmayr ibn Anas
  ABU DAWUD
  HADITH_No 1153
  AbuUmayr reported on the authority of some of his paternal uncles who were Companions of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Some men came riding to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and testified that they had sighted the new moon the previous day. He (the Holy Prophet), therefore, commanded the people to break the fast and to go out to their place of prayer in the morning.

• NARRATOR Ikrimah
  ABU DAWUD
  HADITH_No 2334
  Once the people doubted the appearance of the moon of Ramadan, and intended neither to offer the tarawih prayer nor to keep fast. A bedouin came from al-Harrah and testified that he had sighted the moon. He was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He asked: Do you testify that there is no god but Allah, and that I am the Apostle of Allah? He said: Yes; and he testified that he had sighted the moon. He commanded Bilal who announced to the people to offer the tarawih prayer and to keep fast.

• NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
  ABU DAWUD
  Hadith_No 2335
  The people sighted the moon, so I informed the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) that I had sighted it. He fasted and commanded the people to fast.

• Hadith (Dawood): It is relayed that Ibn Umar said, "People were looking for the crescent (of Ramadan). I informed the Prophet, peace be upon him, that I saw it. So he fasted (on the following day) and ordered the people to fast.

 

[junaidrafique2007]

AA

All the schools with the exception of the Shafi'i school follow sighting of the moon anywhere that applies to everyone. They base their argument on the hadith  

 Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with both of them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying in connection with Ramadan: Do not fast till you see the new moon, and do not break fast till you see it; but if the weather is cloudy calculate about it.  
They argue the words "Do not fast till you see the new moon and do not break fast till you see it" are general and not specific to an area.
The Shafi'i argue on local sighting of the moon.
WS

[Mudassar-Rana]

your cousin is correct - it is hanafi opinion!

But there is no money to be made and we dont want to do eid with the gustakh wabbi with the gustakh moon.

[HanafiUK]

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Mudassar Rana (01.12.2010)

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your cousin is correct - it is hanafi opinion!

But there is no money to be made and we dont want to do eid with the gustakh wabbi with the gustakh moon.

Gustakh moon lol. But i dont get it though, because we sunnis are hanafis and we supposed to follow the hanafi opinion.  Also pakistan is a hanafi country, india is too etc, so why dont they do eid on same day as us and not follow us in the UK. Because normally saudi claim to see the moon, and we dont follow it becuase we believe they making it up as they follow the calculations.  But then the next day we in uk, europe, america celebrate eid. so why dont pakistan, india etc follow us becuase we have sighted the moon. and its the hanafi opinion.

So basically who came up with the idea that we should follow in own area, country or region only. I know there are hadith available where it states it should be based on local sighting but that is shafi opinion and we hanafis follow Hanafi madhab and follow any moon sighting anywhere.

Also how is it possible that shafi follow local sighting of the moon. Malaysia claim to be shafi and a strict shafi but they follow saudis. Seriously no wonder we muslims are getting destroyed. It seems like everyone picks and chooses.

[m_i200]

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HanafiUK (01.12.2010) Malaysia claim to be shafi and a strict shafi but they follow saudis. Seriously no wonder we muslims are getting destroyed. It seems like everyone picks and chooses.

Malaysia did not follow Saudi: http://uncleawangcapture.blogspot.com/2010/11/malaysia-muslims-to-celebrate-eid-al.html

[Sunni-Student]

[quote]HanafiUK (01.12.2010)

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[quote]Mudassar Rana (01.12.2010)

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your cousin is correct - it is hanafi opinion!

But there is no money to be made and we dont want to do eid with the gustakh wabbi with the gustakh moon.[/quote]

The Hanafi opinion is also that when the Horizon is clear there needs to be a large group of people who have sighted the moon, the testimonies of 1 or 2 individuals is not accepted in this case, were as the Saudi authorities do accept it, and this is also the opinion of the Hanbali Madhab. This why from our perspective we cannot accept their sightings unless there is a large group of sightings [when the Horizon is clear] which is hardly ever the case with their sightings.
Furthermore, we reject any sightings that are contrary to astronomical facts, for instance it is not possible to sight the new moon if the moon set occurs prior to sunset, there have been cases were Saudi have claimed to sight the moon even when the moon set occurred before sunset although the criteria for their Ummul Qura calender acknowledges this factor in their criteria. 

[Mudassar-Rana]

br your wrong the hanafi opinion is that the opinion of one muslim is enough. that is based on clear cut ahadith. If you wish me to forward you fatwa rizwiya than i can do. Or if you wish me to forward you the hadith then i can also do.