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Debating deviants of the Deobandi Sect

Posted 22 November 2005 - 08:17 PM (#1) User is offline   arshadmohd 

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Some of the Beliefs of Deobandi Scholars

1.Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, a founder of Deobandi Movement has the following beliefs: 

The Almighty Allah can speak a lie. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 20) 

Allah has already spoken a lie (Taqseedul Qadeer pg. 79).


2.The Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is not the only Rahmatullil
Aalameen. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg. 19)


3.To lecture on or discuss the Shahaadat of Hadhrat Imaam Hussayn (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) is Haraam even if the stories are true. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 3 pg. 113)


4.In the month of Muharram, providing free water and feeding people with milk or Sharbat is Haraam. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 3 pg. 113)


5.Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a founder member of Deoband says: 'The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) has an education like that of children, lunatics and animals of every category.' (Hifzul Imaan pg. 7)

6.Prophets are not free from sins. (Tasfiyatul Aqaaid pg. 24 - Cassim Nanotwi, a founder of Deoband)

7.Shaytaan has more education than our Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).(Barahine Qatia pg. 51 - Khalil Ahmad Ambhetwi)


8.To read Alhamdu Fateha before eating food is Bidat (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg. 150)

9.We cannot make Nikah with any person who takes part in Urs, etc. (Fataawa Rashidiya part 2 pg. 142)


10.Giyaarwi Shareef is Haraam and Kufr, even if Qur'an is read. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 95)

11.It is Sawaab to eat crows (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg.130)

12.Almighty Allah Taãla is not always 'all knowing'. He finds out whenever necessary. (Taqwiyatul Eemaan pg. 26).


13. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) will die and become sand one day. (Taqwiyatul Imaan pg. 69)

14.To think of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) in Salaat is worse than thinking of cows and donkeys. (Siraate Mustaqeem pg. 150)


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 11:51 AM (#2) User is offline   Abu-Hafs 

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These allegations are ALL FALSE AND HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BELOW..

The False Allegations Against the Ulema of Deoband


The false propaganda against and blatant fabrications about our highly acclaimed and respected Ulama of Deoband by the ignorant must be refuted at all costs. Numerous pamphlets and booklets have been written distorting the truth about and writings of our distinguished Ulama.

Among the most common pamphlets displayed is "Tabliqism - one way ticket to Hell". "Are these Islamic Beliefs": in one column is the 'Deobandi Tabliqi Beliefs' and next to it is the 'Islamic beliefs'. However, answers to the allegations have been given in various publications. Therefore, this publication will attempt to print all the false allegations and the correct views.


The False Allegation
Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, a founder of Deobandi Movement has the following beliefs:
1. The Almighty Allah can speak a lie. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 20)
2. Allah has already spoken a lie (Taqseedul Qadeer pg. 79).

The Truth and Clarification
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is that Allah is far above and pure from being attributed with falsehood. There is no blemish of falsehood in His words at all for Allah says, 'Who is more truthful than Allah in speech.' He who believes that Allah speaks a lie is an accursed outright Kaafir and opposed to the Qurãn and Sunnah. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 3)

Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 84: 'From servant Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, after Salaam Masnoon, you have inquired concerning the Masalah 'Imkaane Kizb' (possibility of falsehood). But 'Imkaane Kizb' in the sense that Allah Taãla has the power to act contrary to what He has ordered, but will not to do with His Free Will, is the belief of this servant. The Qurãn Shareef and the Sahih Ahaadith bear testimony to this belief, and this is the belief of all the Ulama of the Ummah too. For example, Firáwn is promised to be thrown into Hell, but Allah Taãla has the power to enter him into paradise, although He will never give him paradise. And this is the Masalah under discussion at the moment. This is the belief of all my friends. The enemies must have related it differently. Referring to this Power and the non-occurrence of it is termed 'Imkaane Zaati' and 'Mumtana bi Ghayr' Was salaam Rashid Ahmad Gangohi.

Look, how they lay waiting with vicious, malicious attempts to defame this noble personality. If it is not slander then what is it?

To distort the above mentioned Masalah and refer it to Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is totally evil and wrong. It is a slander and slander is worse than back-biting.

Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 90: 'That person who believes or utters with the tongue concerning Allah Taãla that "He spoke a lie", is positively a Kaafir, an accursed and opposed to the Qurãn, Hadith and the unanimity of the Ummah. He is definitely not a Mu'min. Taãlallaahu ammaa yaqoolu dhaalimoona oluwwan kabeeraa. (Allah is far above from what the transgressors are saying).'

The misrepresenter, besides being involved with misrepresentation, has earned the wrath of Allah. Let the Hadith of the Master of the Green Dome once again ring in his ears. 'A person does not target another with impiety or a person does not target another with Kufr, but it returns to the former if the latter is not guilty of it.' (Bukhari)

Taqdeesul Qadeer is not compiled by the Ulama of Deoband. In fact there is no such Kitaab by this name.False Allegation
The Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is not the only Rahmatullil Aalameen. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg. 19)

The Truth and Clarification
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi is that: ''One should know that the attribute of being Omnipresent is the quality of Allah Taãla alone, like All-Knowing, Creator of the Skies and Earths and so forth. Therefore to attribute this quality of being Omnipresent to someone else, though it be a 'Nabi', 'Wali', or Saint, is to ascribe Partners to Allah in His Qualities, which is termed as 'Shirk-fis-Sifaat."

The word 'Rahmatullil Aalameen' is not a characteristic only of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). In fact other Awliyaa, Ambiyaa and Ulamaa-e-Rabbaniyyeena are also a means of mercy unto the world, although Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is the highest of them all. Therefore, if it is used for others with 'Taaweel' (by elucidation) it is permissible.' (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 96/97)


False Allegation
To lecture on or discuss the Shahaadat of Hadhrat Imaam Hussayn (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) is Haraam even if the stories are true. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 3 pg. 113)

The Truth and Clarification
The incident of the martyrdom of Hadhrat Hussayn (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) who sacrificed his life for the sake of Truth, is surely very important. But the method adopted, like beating the chest, tearing the garment, pulling the hair, slapping the face, shouting slogans of 'Yaa Hussayn, Yaa Hussayn' and taking out processions to parade in the streets, is what Hadhrat Moulana has stopped and said is Haraam.'

The reason for stopping this is that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) has forbidden the slapping of faces and the tearing of garments.

Therefore to lecture on or discuss the Shahaadat of Hadhrat Hussayn in the abovementioned fashion, with that type of pomp and show, is forbidden in the light of the Hadith. (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 104/105)


False Allegation
In the month of Muharram, providing free water and feeding people with milk or Sharbat is Haraam. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 3 pg. 113)

The Truth and Clarification
To feed the poor and needy and to distribute water free to quench their thirst as 'Isaale Sawaab' is no sin. Neither did Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi nor anyone else say it is Haraam.

The Barelvis belief is this, that on the plains of Karbala the martyrs sacrificed their life in thirst. Therefore, the water that is given here as a drink, reaches them.

It is common sense, that this water does not reach them, nor are they in need of it. They are in Jannat. If the whole idea is to convey the reward (Isaale Sawaab), the whole year is available for that. No question arises then whether to make 'Isaale Sawaab' or not. The practice mentioned above similitudes the practices of the Rawaafidh; therefore it is Haraam.' (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 147/148)


False Allegation
Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a founder member of Deoband says: 'The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) has an education like that of children, lunatics and animals of every category.' (Hifzul Imaan pg. 7)

The Truth and Clarification
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?' In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg. 21)

Hadhrat Hakimul Ummah, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (author of the famous 'Bahishti Zewar') did not write the abovementioned statement in Hifzul Imaan. Nor is it his belief. It is a slander on the said Moulana. In fact Hadhrat Moulana has stated clearly in 'Hifzul Imaan' that, 'Knowledge with regard to the Excellence of Prophethood has been bestowed totally upon Rasul (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) (Hifzul Imaan pg. 12)


False Allegation
Prophets are not free from sins. (Tasfiyatul Aqaaid pg. 24 - Cassim Nanotwi, a founder of Deoband)

The Truth and Clarification
The topic under discussion in 'Tasfiyatul Aqaaid' was this: It was mentioned in the Hadith, in Shaf'at that on the plain of resurrection people will gather with great fear, perturbed and disturbed. They will go to Hadhrat Aadam (Álayhis salaam) and request him to intercede on their behalf in front of Allah Taãla. Hadhrat Aadam (Álayhis salaam) will refuse and say that it is beyond his influence, because of the incident that he ate from the tree of Jannah which was forbidden to him. Hadhrat Aadam (Álayhis salaam) will say, 'Today Allah's wrath is so great that His anger was never great before and will never be so great after' (though Allah Taãla has forgiven him). He will advise them to go to Hadhrat Nuh (Álayhis salaam). In this way people will flock to the other Ambiyaa (Álayhimus salaam). Each one will be fearful and reluctant, for some reason or the other to intercede on behalf of man. At the end when the people will come to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam), Rasul (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) will say, 'Very well, I will intercede on your behalf. I will take permission from my Sustainer and He will grant me that permission.'

Hadhrat Moulana wrote that, which was mentioned in the Hadith and not that, 'Prophets (Álayhimus salaam) are not free from sins,' as mentioned in the said leaflet.


False Allegation
Shaytaan has more education than our Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). (Barahine Qatia pg. 51 - Khalil Ahmad Ambhetwi)

The Truth and Clarification
We strongly believe and openly claim that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) was given more knowledge than the entire creation of Allah and it is our belief that whosoever says that anyone has more knowledge than Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) then such a person is a Kaafir. Our great Úlama have already given a Fatwa of Kufr upon a person who says Shaytaan has more knowledge than Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) then how could I ever have written such a thing. (Al Muhnad Allal Mufannad Q&A 18-19)

It is totally incorrect. This sentence is not written anywhere in 'Baraahine Qaati'ah', that 'Shaytaan has more knowledge than Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).'

Moulana Khalil Ahmad (RA) was asked whether he wrote such a statement or not? He replied, 'I did not write such a statement anywhere. It is an open slander on me. On the day of Qiyaamat account will be taken with Ahmad Raza Khan.'


False Allegation
To read Alhamdu Fateha before eating food is Bidat (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg. 150)

The Truth and Clarification
In order to establish anything in Islam, it is necessary that it be verified in the light of the Shariáh. Unless it is not proven by the Shariáh, it cannot be regarded as Deen. Yes, one may call it a matter of convenience. For example, the use of an electric fan, motor vehicle, etc. The moment a person wants to make it part and parcel of Deen, immediately it will need verification from the Shariáh, whether it be Meelaad, Fateha, Giyaarwi, Urs, Dua-e-Thani, Dua immediately after Janaaza prayer or any other ritual for that matter. And on failing to be verified, it will be regarded as Bidat - innovation. The wickedness of being involved in Bidat is that the Sunnats are automatically left out. As darkness spreads, light vanishes.

To read Al-Hamd, Fateha before eating food is not verified and proven in the Shariáh, therefore, it is a Bidat.

Regarding Bidat, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) has decreed: 1. "He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected." (Bukhari) 2. "Beware of newly-invented matters! For every invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is leading astray and every leading astray is in Hell-Fire." (Abu Dawud; Tirmidhi)

The 'Masnoon' Duas read by Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) before meals and after meals, should surely be read. Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi (RA) did not stop anyone from this.


False Allegation
We cannot make Nikah with any person who takes part in Urs, etc. (Fataawa Rashidiya part 2 pg. 142)

The Truth and Clarification
Moulana Rashid Ahmed says in Fataawa Rashidiya, "Taking part in Urs is not an act of Kufr therefore Nikah with a person who takes part in Urs is valid."

Those who go to the Urs and make Sajdah (prostrate) to the graves, pray for boon or ask for a favour from the inmates of the graves, and make Tawaaf of the graves; to solemnise marriages with them will inculcate these Shirk practices in them and others as well. Therefore, unless they don't make Tawbah and refrain from such Shirk practices, Nikah is not allowed until then.


False Allegation
Giyaarwi Shareef is Haraam and Kufr, even if Qur'an is read. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 95)

The Truth and Clarification
Anything in the name of 'Ghayrullah' (someone other than Allah), whether it be Giyarwi Shareef' or 'Baarwi', is Haraam. This Masalah is found in Shaami, Tahtaawi, Bahrur Raaiq and in many other Kitaabs.

On the other hand, Esaale Sawaab is permissible. No one prohibited Esaale Sawaab provided it is done without specifications of time, place and invitation. But look at the beliefs of these people. They have this belief that the distribution of sustenance is entrusted to Peerane Peer (RA). If the Giyaarwi is held back, he will stop the food.


False Allegation
It is Sawaab to eat crows (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 2 pg. 130)

The Truth and Clarification
Crows are of three types: The first type is that which feeds only on grain. It is exactly like a wild pigeon. It is Halaal according to all Jurists. The second type is that which only feeds on excreta, and prey on other animals. It is exactly like a vulture. It is Haraam according to all Jurists. The third type is that which feeds on grain, eats excreta and it catches and eats mice as well. It is like an uncaged fowl, which feeds on grain, worms and even on mice.

Hadhrat Moulana wrote concerning this third type of crow that it is not Haraam. This Masalah of the crow is found in Hidaaya, Durre Mukhtaar, Fataawa Aalamghiri, as well as the other 'Kitaabs' of Fiqh (Jurisprudence).

Therefore, should anyone not eat a crow or a fowl for the rest of his life, there is no criticism and blame on him according to the Shariáh. Yes, if he takes it to be Haraam then he will be answerable. Thus whosoever takes it to be Haraam, in order to correct his belief it is a 'Sawaab' and reward to eat it.' (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 492 Rahimia print)


False Allegation
Almighty Allah Taãla is not always 'all knowing'. He finds out whenever necessary. (Taqwiyatul Eemaan pg. 26).

The Truth and Clarification
This is an open Calumny and a False Accusation. This sentence is not written at all in 'Tawiyatul Eemaan' that 'Allah Taãla is not always "all knowing". He finds out when necessary.


False Allegation
The Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) will die and become sand one day. (Taqwiyatul Imaan pg. 69)

The Truth and Clarification
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmed Saheb is that: The meaning of the (phrase) 'to lie on sand' has two meanings. The one is to become soil, the other is the body touches the sand. The latter meaning is meant, and the Moulana (author of Taqwiyatul Imaan) also believes that the bodies of the Anbiyaa (Álayhimus salaam) do not turn to dust. Because a deceased is buried in a grave and he is surrounded with soil all over, his body together with the 'Kafn' touches the sand beneath him is called 'Mitti me milnaa' - to lie on sand. Hence, there is no point of objection. (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg.s 83/84)

In Taqwiyatul Imaan, a Hadith is mentioned in which a Sahaabi (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) told Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) that the people of other places bow out of respect to their Rulers; whereas Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is more worthy of being bowed to. At this, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Look if you happen to pass by my grave, will you bow to it?' The Sahaabi (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) said 'No, I will not do so.' On this, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'So do not bow to me ...' (A Sajdah Taazimi is also forbidden).

Commentary: 'I will also die one day and lie on sand (buried); therefore am I worthy to be prostated to?' This phrase 'Mitti me milne waalaa hoo - I will lie on sand' (meaning to be buried one day), became the bone of contention for the Barelvis.


False Allegation
To think of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) in Salaat is worse than thinking of cows and donkeys. (Siraate Mustaqeem pg. 150)

The Truth and Clarification
The abovementioned statement is not found anywhere in 'Siraate Mustaqeem' that, 'To think of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) in Salaat is worse than thinking of cows and donkeys.'

That which was written in 'Sarfe Himmat'. This is terminology used by the Sufis in Tasawwuf (the spiritual field). 'Sarfe Himmat' in 'Tasawwuf' means that a person's meditation over a thing becomes so overpowering and predominant that no other thoughts penetrate into the mind and soul. Like a mirror, if a person does not want any person's reflection to come into it, he covers it with a black cloth and thus no reflection will appear. To contemplate over a figure so that no other thing is contemplated is called 'Sarfe Himmat'.

This has been forbidden in Salaat, that besides Allah, 'Sarfe Himmat' should not be done towards anyone. Salaat should purely and solely be for Allah alone. If 'Sarfe Himmat' is done towards Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam), then the entire Salaat and Ibaadat will be for him.

On the other hand, if any thoughts of cows, donkeys, business, etc. come to mind, or a person gets drowned in these thoughts whilst in Salaat, it is regrettable. There is no fear of it being worshipped. In fact the person regrets that in the course of an esteem Ibaadat like Salaat, he should have such thoughts, Astaghfirullah.

The Kitaab, 'Siraate Mustaqeem' is based on 'Tasawwuf'. The objector is not versed in Tasawwuf'. Therefore, he has translated 'Sarfe Himmat' to mean a mere thought.

What comes to mind is this; that the Objector presents a picture of a Grade One child, learning to read and write ABC and wishing to interpret the writings of Shakespeare.

Moreover, it is stated in the Hadith that Salaat should be performed with full attention. Therefore, when the name of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is recited in 'Tashahhud' the thought of the Rasul (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) will come and should come. The Salaat will not be rendered incorrect and this is not unlawful at all. The respected Moulana did not stop anyone from this.



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Posted 17 December 2005 - 12:47 PM (#3) User is offline   Secular-Revolution 

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Abu Deobandi above has pasted a standard Deobandi Parcel of Lies written by Mufti Ebrahim Desai without even investigating the truth.

Dear Sir, if you are here to merely defend the Deobandi scholars irrespective of whether the attrocities they committed are the truth or allegations then you have already sold your soul to satan and there is no point of argument.

On the other hand if you are here looking for truth and genuinely believe the Deobandi scholars did nothing wrong, then welcome you have come to the right place.

I have a Deobandi Maulvi lying on video holding the Quran in his hand. I shall show you in early January once I have a broadband connection InshAllah. These people have no fear of Allah. No wonder there is Laanatullah reflecting from his face.

Now, here is the refutation of your copy/paste article above with original scans from the books. See for yourself and repent and do tauba and join the Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat.


1. "The title Rahmatul Lil 'Aalameen (Mercy to all the Worlds) is not an exclusive attribute of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam). Other saintly persons also can be called Rahmatul Lil 'Aalameen". (Fataawa Rasheediyah, by Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, Page 218)


2. "If fornication comes into your mind whilst offering Salat it is better to think about having sex with your wife. Thinking of ones Shaykh or any saints likewise even about the Holy Prophet during prayers is worse than thinking of ones ox or donkey".(Siratul Mustaqim, Page 169 by Sayyid Ahmed Shaheed & Shah Ismail Shaheed, Maktaba Salafiyya, Lahore)


3. "Once a great scholar saw the Prophet in a dream speaking Urdu, he asked him where he learnt to speak Urdu when he was an Arabic speaker, the Prophet replied I learnt Urdu following my contact with the Deoband Madrassa". (Al Baraheynul Kathahaat, by Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, Page 26 (published in Kutubkhana Imdaadeyaa, Deoband, Uttar Pradesh)



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Posted 17 December 2005 - 12:55 PM (#4) User is offline   Secular-Revolution 

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A Sincere Message to All the Deobandis/Wahabis out there

You don't have to live in darkness and eat up the lies of your scholars. Remember.....

The truth is out there.

It is your responsibility to find it out lest you be responsible before Allah Taalah for associating with the insulters of the Holy Prophet .

Think.......Investigate.......Act



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QUOTEExcellent replies by our Brother Qadri Razavi.  Consequently, Abū Deobandī has now logged off in terrible despair that he and his Deobandī followers have lost yet another battle at YaNabi.com


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 09:12 PM (#9) User is offline   Abu-Hafs 

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You are something else. How is it i lost when you u lock all deobandi threads and erase my subject i posted earlier. You and many like you are bend upon not knowing the truth and the truth is THAT DEOBANDIS AND BRAVELIS ARE THE SAME.. May allah bless both illustrous scholars from the braveliyah and deobnadiyah since we are all muslim and Ahul Sunnah. Why are you so afraid to find out the truth?Here is a link to Shaykh Haddads fatwaa from sunnipath which was published on May 16, 2003. http://qa.sunnipath....D=498&CATE=2See for yourselve from the link provided above about the complete similarities of both deobandis and bravelis...Also Faraz rabani has agreed and followed up with another answer in response to the deobandiya bashing with the audio link entitled "Indian Hanafism vs Arab Hanafism" which was published on decemeber 2004 at the following link
http://qa.sunnipath....ID=4648&CATE=21
These fatwaas are from the Q and A section of Sunnipath.com, which is a source for traditional sufism and is the website of the well known scholar Shaykh NUh Ha Mim Keller ( I am Sure you all know about this scholar). Also Shaykh Faraz Rabani is not a deobandi or braveli so he is objective, to understand what i am saying check out the article entitled " Deobandi/Syrian Hanafism" published on december 2003 at this link
http://qa.sunnipath....D=866&CATE=1and another article entitled " Deobandi/Barelvi Objection" published on may 2003 at the following link http://qa.sunnipath....7&ID=481&CATE=2
Also here is an excrept from the article entitled "Obituary to al-Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi al-Maliki" the late great traditional maliki scholar at the following link http://qa.sunnipath....ID=4342&CATE=22
Look at all the scholars he studied and PLEASE scroll down to his scholars from the subcontinent, do you ALL NOTICE ANYTHING?? How many deobandi scholars has he studied under, if they are a DEVIANT GOUP why would he go to them?? I included the paragraph below:From the Indo-Pak subcontinent:


1) Shaykh Abu-al-Wafa al-Afghani al-Hanafi,

2) Shaykh Abd-al-Mu‘id Khan Hyderabadi

3) al-Imam al’Arif Billah Mustafa Rida Khan al-Barelawi, Mufti of India

4) Mufti Muhammad Shafi’ al-Deobandi, Mufti of Pakistan

5) Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyyah al-Kandahlawi, Imam of Hadith

6) Mawlana Zafar Ahmad Thanawi

7) Shaykh al-Muhaddith Habib-al-Rahman al-‘Azami

8) Sayyid Abu-al-Hasan Ali al-Nadawi SO SEE DEOBANDIS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO ISLAM SO MUCH AND WHO HAVE BEEN A BLESSING TO THE SUBCONTINENT ARE ACTUALLY AHUL SUNNAH WA JUMAH AND ARE NOT DEVIANT GROUP.NEITHER ARE THE TABLEEGH JAMAAT A DEVIANT GROUP, BUT ARE ON THE HAQQ. BRAVELIS AND DEOBANDIS ARE THE SAME IN AQEEDA AND FIQH AND ARE BOTH AHUL SUNNAH, THESE ARE NOT MY 2 CENTS, THIS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY LEARNED MEN FROM SUNNIPATH.COM... I HOPE NOW YOU ALL WILL LEARN TO RESPECT YOUR BROTHERS OF DEOBAND IN DEEN AND REPENT FOR MAKING TAKFIR LIKE THE NAJIDIS YOU SO CLAIM TO HATE... MAKE TOOBA AND FEAR ALLAH, VERLY THOSE WHO ARE SO QUICK TO LABEL FELLOW MUSLIMS KAFIRS, EPSCEIALLY THE SCHOLARS WHO ARE THE INHERITORS OF PROPHETS ARE THEMSELVES KAFIRS... I PRAY ALL YOU HATERS OF DEOBAND SNAP OUT OF YOUR DEOBANDI BASHING CULT/NAJDI EXTRMEMISM AND EMBRACE YOUR DEOBANDI BROTHERS IN THE UK.
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Posted 17 December 2005 - 09:54 PM (#10) User is offline   Tahir-Riaz 

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Abu Hafs


1.) sunnipath.com --> deobandipath.com
2.) Your silence on the scans tells the whole story.

 

Telling the truth about something or someone is not regard as Bashing. My line to you today is:

 

Either put up or shut up: Answer the scans.

 

 

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:08 PM (#11) User is offline   Mohammed-Haleem 

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Lol dis geezer still goin on about it,
In ur case this is enuff
Aslooto Wasloooom Alaka Ya Sayidy Ya Rasooool ALLAH

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:08 PM (#12) User is offline   Abu-Hafs 

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iF YOU THINK SH NUH HA MIM kELLER,THE FOLKS AT SUNNIPATH.COM AND SAYIID AL-MALIKIS ARE DEVIANTS THAN THIER IS NO REASON FOR ME TO ANSWER ANYTHING. ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE KNOWS THAT SUNNIPATH.COM IS A TRADITIONAL ISLAMIC SITE REFERED TO BY MASOUD.CO.UK AND LIVING ISLAM... MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU TAHIR ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU SHOULD REPENT TO ALLAH BEFORE YOU DIE...
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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:10 PM (#13) User is offline   Mohammed-Haleem 

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QUOTEOriginally posted by: Abu Hafs
iF YOU THINK SH NUH HA MIM kELLER,THE FOLKS AT SUNNIPATH.COM AND SAYIID AL-MALIKIS ARE DEVIANTS THAN THIER IS NO REASON FOR ME TO ANSWER ANYTHING. ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE KNOWS THAT SUNNIPATH.COM IS A TRADITIONAL ISLAMIC SITE REFERED TO BY MASOUD.CO.UK AND LIVING ISLAM... MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU TAHIR

ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU SHOULD REPENT TO ALLAH BEFORE YOU DIE...


We all suggests you change ur Aqeedah before you DIE!!!!!!

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:11 PM (#14) User is offline   Saghe-dargaahe-Jilani 

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NAARE TAKBEER ALLAH AKBAR
NAARE RISALAT YA RASOOLULLAH
EK NAARA HAIDERI YA ALI YA ALI
NAAR E GAUSIA YA GAUS
SAYED ABDUL RAHIM BAGDADI ZINDABAD
IMAM E AHLE SUNNAT ZINDABAD!

Date: 2005.12.17
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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:12 PM (#15) User is offline   Abu-Hafs 

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i HOPE YOU GUYS ATLEAST FOLLOW THIS SHAYKH, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WILL SAY TO THIS..
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shaykh Muhammad Karam Shah (R.A), a renowned scholar from Bralvi school of thought, in his famous tafseer "Zia ul Quran" (in Urdu) wrote:


"The apex of the tragedy is the disunity and division of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat, into two groups that both agree on the fundamentals of Deen. They are completely coherent on Oneness of God, prophethood of Muhammad (S.A.W) and its finality, Quran, Hereafter and other requirements.

However, many times carelessness in description and immoderation in lectures and sermons generate confusions and create suspicions and doubts in both the factions. This suspicion becomes terrible and formidable.

A moderate style of description and lectures could bring an end to most of these issues (creating disunity) if not all.

The remaining unresolved issues of much less importance would not bar the two parties, quarrelling and fighting each one declaring other an infidel and hypocrite, turn their efforts towards the call of the age."


(Zia Ul Quran vol. 1 p. 11)

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:15 PM (#16) User is offline   Mohammed-Haleem 

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QUOTEOriginally posted by: Sayed Muhammad Rehan Al-Qadri-Bagdadi
NAARE TAKBEER ALLAH AKBARNAARE RISALAT YA RASOOLULLAHEK NAARA HAIDERI YA ALI YA ALINAAR E GAUSIA YA GAUSSAYED ABDUL RAHIM BAGDADI ZINDABADIMAM E AHLE SUNNAT ZINDABAD!


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:21 PM (#17) User is offline   Tahir-Riaz 

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Dear brothers  and Sisters, please note that we should at all times keep our academic approach towards issues. Making irresponsive comments doesn’t actually serve our cause. Please remember, this rule for future contributions.

Lets not forget the Sunni conducted which is the need of our time

Regarding this deobandi brother, well his silence on the scans taken from deobandi books tells the whole story. It’s a wakeup call to those who are looking for the truth.


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:24 PM (#18) User is offline   Mohammed-Haleem 

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QUOTEOriginally posted by: Tahir Riaz
Dear brothers  and Sisters, please note that we should at all times keep our academic approach towards issues. Making irresponsive comments doesn’t actually serve our cause. Please remember, this rule for future contributions.


Brother stuff like this is hard to control, but inshALLAH wont happen nxt time!

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:29 PM (#19) User is offline   Tahir-Riaz 

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QUOTEOriginally posted by: Abu Hafs
iF YOU THINK SH NUH HA MIM kELLER,THE FOLKS AT SUNNIPATH.COM AND SAYIID AL-MALIKIS ARE DEVIANTS THAN THIER IS NO REASON FOR ME TO ANSWER ANYTHING. ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE KNOWS THAT SUNNIPATH.COM IS A TRADITIONAL ISLAMIC SITE REFERED TO BY MASOUD.CO.UK AND LIVING ISLAM... MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU TAHIR

ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU SHOULD REPENT TO ALLAH BEFORE YOU DIE...


Don’t stress your brain cells. I am pretty capable of projecting my thoughts thru literals.
The answer to your question is NO. I don’t regard ALL the scholars at deobandipath.com deviant. But it’s a fact that deobandis are working there that’s why the mentioned source is unreliable for Sunnis.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:36 PM (#20) User is offline   Abu-Hafs 

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so do you guys respect the scholar Shaykh Muhammad Karam Shah (R.A)? or is he a unrelaible source cause he supports his deobandi brothers???
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