[Mudassar-Rana]

Bintay_Hawa, on 19 September 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Can't we add quotes from Bible?? tough it's authenticity has a big Q mark but I am sure we can still find stuff regarding respect and tolerance

Invite them to "search for truth" (it's kind of Dawah)

bit about freedom of speech and human rites

That is the best point of the lot. there is a famous verse in the bible which prophecises rasool e kareem s.a.w by name. Then we have many in the Vedas too.

[Mudassar-Rana]

Tahir-Riaz, on 19 September 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

We have a new domain for this. We should hang our head in shame that we can’t redirect them to YaNabi.com.
You make me feel that we have achieved nothing in 12 years!

No bro - its just purely from a suitability perspective. The words of the sister who was writing to different mosques to get together are fresh in my mind. What you have acheived is provided a platform for the voiceless majority who are fed up of maulvi's and their kitchen politics and that too at the cost of much personal villifcation. Though pride isnt generally a good thing at least you have left a positive footprint on this world. Imagine meeting allah ta'la and rasool e kareem a.s and the ahlul bayt and telling them that you tried to bring their followers together? And then imagine being in the footsteps of those fools who ripped this ummah to shreds? Yes bro ur a lucky man mate!

You should feel proud that there will be one whole site for the positive defence of the best of creation. Its just better marketing. Plus it shows the world you arent interested in self promotion - it is often said to kill 2 birds with one stone - but you will have killed many birds with one stone!

[muslim.online]

Mudassar-Rana, on 19 September 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

That is the best point of the lot. there is a famous verse in the bible which prophecises rasool e kareem s.a.w by name. Then we have many in the Vedas too.

Dr. Zakir Naik would be the man for the job here.

[Mudassar-Rana]

muslim.online, on 19 September 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Dr. Zakir Naik would be the man for the job here.

im sure there are many who would love to pin dr saab onto a leaflet!

[yukiyukio]

I believe those who can donate money for this cause should do so. So as to distribute as many leaflets as possible.

Secondly , to show how forgiving and compassionate the nature of our prophet sallallahualaihiwasallam was and how his ummah is , I think we muslims should now make a movie in the praise and honour of prophet moses alaihisalaam and prophet isa alaihisalaam. this will hit them where it really hurts and show that islam is a religion of peace and universal brotherhood.

[yukiyukio]

P.S - i am pretty sure mujaddid e rawan sadi prof.dr mohammad tahir ul qadri , his holiness shaykh hisham kabbani and shaykh nazim adil al haqqani , shaykh yaqoubi will be coming out with replies as soon as possible to teach the true spirit of islam.

and why haven't we heard any condolences from his holiness the pope yet on this issue????

[muslim.online]

found this on islamic site.

[Know-the-Ledge]

Poor idea. It's intrusive and desperate. Islam was spread through good character, it is a religion of relationships and for the heart, not rational minds. Such 'pamphlateering' has a negative impact, because it's seen as 'god-bothering' and associated with cranks like Jehovas witnesses.

It has no affect on the heart and infact most non-muslims are disinterested in the film and muslims. The reason we want this video banned, is because of the tawdry and debauched way it depicts Rasoolullah (s), the whole rational world knows that the film is full of misconceptions and caricature of certain hostile accusations. It's a film full of doggerel and they already know that and those that deny that and think it's factual will laugh at the leaflet anyway and for that reason the leaflet is moot, as it doesn't address the root problem here which is successfully relegating such belligerent attempts to offend as being against the law and inciting religious hate and inciting anti-islamic sentiment amongst a populace without any academic or sincere effort.

The legal route is the most likely to provide the most satisfactory results. Pamphlets and leaflets are small time and don't prevent the malcontents creating further such abominations to augment their political agendas.

[qalam]

Know-the-Ledge, on 19 September 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Poor idea. It's intrusive and desperate. Islam was spread through good character, it is a religion of relationships and for the heart, not rational minds. Such 'pamphlateering' has a negative impact, because it's seen as 'god-bothering' and associated with cranks like Jehovas witnesses.

It has no affect on the heart and infact most non-muslims are disinterested in the film and muslims. The reason we want this video banned, is because of the tawdry and debauched way it depicts Rasoolullah (s), the whole rational world knows that the film is full of misconceptions and caricature of certain hostile accusations. It's a film full of doggerel and they already know that and those that deny that and think it's factual will laugh at the leaflet anyway and for that reason the leaflet is moot, as it doesn't address the root problem here which is successfully relegating such belligerent attempts to offend as being against the law and inciting religious hate and inciting anti-islamic sentiment amongst a populace without any academic or sincere effort.

The legal route is the most likely to provide the most satisfactory results. [color="#FF0000"]Pamphlets and leaflets are small time and don't prevent the malcontents creating further such abominations to augment their political agendas[/color].

salam

I disagree with the above. Nothing will satisfy the above mentioned malcontents. so the initial idea is good dont let the armchair critics get you down

dr aq

[YaNabi-Chemist]

KTL have you seen the initial idea by Tahir?

view the attachment...

[Tahir-Riaz]

YaNabi-Chemist, on 19 September 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

KTL have you seen the initial idea by Tahir?

Just do what you think is right and don’t bother too much about ifs and buts.
The foundation of Islam rests upon the character of Muhammad (peace be upon him). The worst scenario is that that people will ignore it but let me tell you something KTL.

- Allah will not ignore it!

Tahir

[YaNabi-Chemist]

KTL have you seen the initial idea by Tahir? View the attachment:

http://www.yanabi.com/Map.zip

The plan is not to produce something that directly addresses the film, rather it's a positive leaflet focusing on interesting facts that many non-Muslims will not know and the idea is to have something that encourages them to open their eyes through reason and logic. Not emotion.

I feel that Tahirs contribution should take up most if not all of the first page. I have some ideas for the back page (if we are to design an unfolded leaflet). Perhaps we should incorporate from some of the following:

A small section aimed to encourage readers to delve further by providing a powerful argument that shows how common misconceptions can arise. For example we could briefly discuss the ayah in surah al Baqarah stating, “and slay them wherever you find them” by examining the context of proceeding (Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.) and following (But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful) ayahs that show the defensive nature of the ayah rather than an injunction to genocide.

This straw man argument, if you like, could provide a powerful injunction to demonstrate both the validity of our claims as well as necessity for us to “intrude”..

Members here could make the above point much more succinctly and powerfully then I, so why don’t you have a go? Go on KTL, Dr AQ, SQ2012, Tahir, MR...

Some ayahs from the Qur’an could be included, for example:

(Al-Quran, Chapter 49: 13) "O Mankind, we created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you in to tribes and nations so that you may know each other (not that you despise each other). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of God is he who is most righteous of you."

(Al-Quran 30: 22) "And amongst his signs is the creation of heaven and the earth, and variation in your language and colours; Verily, in there are signs for those who know"

And any other ayahs members feel that we should include...Or, if you feel that we shouldn't quote from the Qur'an then please let us know.

And as other members have stated, quotes from other religious texts........

These are just a few ideas....if anyone feels that we should have something else then please come forwards.

This post has been edited by YaNabi-Chemist: 19 September 2012 - 07:54 PM

[sunniskeptic]

"Ishq e Nabi Islam ka doosra naam hai" - Pir Sayyid Abdul Qadir Shah Sahib Jilani
"Islam: just another name for love of the Prophet!"

Tahir -- I think this should become the new logo of Yanabi.com instead of 'reviving the spirit of Islam'. (At least for now until this whole issue reaches a satisfactory conclusion).


Also, brothers, have any of the Islamic channels made any special programmes rebutting this video yet or not?

[sunniskeptic]

You know KTL also has a point in one way. Better than a leaflet would be for all of us to chip in whatever we can to get a full page advert in some of the main newspapers in the UK and other Western countries (the Independent/Times/Guardian/Telegraph)
The advert can be the same as the contents of the leaflet were to be: For example, The Truth about the Prophet Muhammad.

What do you think? (Other options would be to run a 30 second ad on the Islamic satellite channels with the same message or on the BBC/Sky....and the radio)

I have no idea what the latter would cost but if every YN user contributed £100 or 100 euros each we could do it no doubt (more if they can afford it).

[sunniskeptic]

the Song of Solomon, chapter 5 verse 16, we read in Hebrew: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo MuhammadimZehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." It means "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

[Desert-Sheikh]

SunniQadri2012, on 19 September 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

You know KTL also has a point in one way. Better than a leaflet would be for all of us to chip in whatever we can to get a full page advert in some of the main newspapers in the UK and other Western countries (the Independent/Times/Guardian/Telegraph)
The advert can be the same as the contents of the leaflet were to be: For example, The Truth about the Prophet Muhammad.

This is brilliant Idea, full/half page in main news papers, but forget slamic satellite channels, even Muslims don't watch it.

[Know-the-Ledge]

Desert-Sheikh, on 19 September 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

This is brilliant Idea, full/half page in main news papers, but forget slamic satellite channels, even Muslims don't watch it.

Guys, sorry, but a leaflet drop in The Mirror just forYorkshire region is £30,000, you're talking six figures for a national advert in a broadsheet.

[A-New-Hope]

MashaAllah.

I love the Jazba and how energized many on here have become. The forum sure has risen to the occasion. Ideas and suggestions flowing. It's inspiring and reassuring.

My mind is blank and the least I can do is to acknowledge and encourage the efforts of brothers and sisters. I'm sure this unfortunate event will prove to be a watershed and much important work will follow. InshaAllah.

Like the brother said 'Allah Subhanahu WaTa Ala will not ignore it.'

The intention, passion and desire are evident.

May Allah Almighty help and reward you and grant us all tawfeeq to participate in good causes in whatever way we can.

[A-New-Hope]

After 9/11 there was an increase in curiosity about Islam while our religion was under the microscope. There was amongst the non-muslims an appetite to learn more.

In the current situation you can imagine people will want to know more about the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi WaSalam. Muslims in general and (english speaking) scholars in particular will I'm sure exploit this opportunity by producing and making widely available, books and literature. They will consider organising related free events and conferences open (and designed) for non-muslims. Even Exhibitions. I'm sure many more ideas will come out once people sit down and work on a response.

It isn't necessary to rush. Yes, there will be an immediate response but there will also be a longer term response.

2 things provide us with an opportunity:

- The curiosity and interest amongst the non-muslim
- An activated and motivated base amongst the muslim population prepared to do the work.

[INTOXICATION-BURN]

And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.{Quran 3:54}