[arzooemadinah]

Fekay, on 29 August 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

I rarely watch BBC as I find it overly mainstream which to-me makes it crap. But here I think Pakistani community is slightly overreacting. It's a TV show stereotyping the behavior of Pakistanis, not Islam.

Stereotyping is not behaviour of all pakistanies and you have to agree indian ,pakistani bangalies , kashmiries all stereotype but only in uneducated culture , you cant find this in educated peoples houses even if you look 20 years back as well but the problem who got education, good jobs professional peoples they live in posh areas and there wages are high , they totally live a different life , if you live inner cities and most families are living in tarraced houses etc , the accomodation is not enough and the job is not bringing the money enough so they have to live this type life but still bhai fekay if its our culture why we want to show all world how we live.

And can you find few characters in your street like these what they showing or you need to go back in fifties to find one.

And its again where you live and what sort of pople you can find so may be if one living inner cities or living in more pakistnai areas they can accept this more easily because they see these type people more often but to me its strange and I hope he could do more better than this.

we understand its comedy but why he choose a beard man who is talking about mosque and paksitani weddings etc as a joke instead if he could show a man without beard pretending as mr khan that is more suitable and even if we find few mr khans in the socity that doesnt mean make fun out of us and show a man looks he is eligious and talking rubbish.

and as you said more cultural thing that means one can easily allow others make fun out of his or her culture.

[hidayah227]

Fekay, on 29 August 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

I rarely watch BBC as I find it overly mainstream which to-me makes it crap. But here I think Pakistani community is slightly overreacting. It's a TV show stereotyping the behavior of Pakistanis, not Islam.

I am not the kind of guy who would go out and start ranting about this whole thing, but i believe it does need reviewing in certain areas.
The western media have always been portraying Islam as a religion of oppression and that Muslim women are oppressed in their society & forced to wear the hijab by their families. Here is a perfect example scene 1 (father walks in, daughter is terrified looking for her hijab and QUICKLY puts it over her head before her father see's her not wearing it.Scene two the daughter removing her hijab and wears a western outfit so desperately wanting to go out for fresh air and a little fun. Now all this happening behind her fathers back, are you telling me this is all to do with the Pakistani's and nothing to do with the religion?? Comedy doesn't necessarily has to be based only on exaggeration to make the people laugh.Take a look at Fresh Prince Of Bel air for an example.A comedy about a black family full of humor. Your not gonna see them robbing a bank,drug dealing, or eating Jamaican patties just to make people laugh. Having Said that i don't mind exaggeration as long as it has nothing to do with our religion.

[Jumbojet]

I don't understand how any Muslim can find this show acceptable. The way the western hijabi was mocking the Quran was offensive and the way in which the main character was joking about mosques and making fun of this sacred Deen in a subtle way is unforgivable. Putting your feet up whilst singing through the mosques loud speaker is not funny, it's an insult of the highest degree. The shows an absolute disgrace

If our Nabi peace be upon him was here with us today, do you think he. Peace be upon him would find it funny?

[arzooemadinah]

And they not even said birmingham they even mention sparkhill area the clip brother post in topic . I never been there , but must be paksitani indian area inner city type and the mosque they showed from front , people in birmingham must recognised the mosque and I think birmingham people have to protest and asked bbc or the presenter to say sorry from birmingham peoples .

As he is laughing on pakistani weddings or weddings in mosques etc he is making fun for relegion and mosques . Programmes based on realities as well how many sisters we can find now who are frightened from fathers and looking for hijabs when they arrived home and pretend they reading quran . We all living in uk knew this all how much respect sterotype people giving to there parents and how much they care for relegion and culture so why he is showing they living double life and showing they are relegious and showing they frightened from parents and that is not based on truth , most stereotype dont care the relegion and culture so why they do acting they care and give false alarms.

Reality he is getting a lot of money for this programme so why he cares what he is doing wrong and who is he insulting for.

and he is also insulting the real hijabi sisters who are sincear and good towards the relegion and culture he could show that lady without a hiajb then may be less people react.

[Tahir-Riaz]

Very funny hehe

[The-Fallen]

I think we as Muslims are missing a serious point in the portrayal of the Qur'an being ridiculed.

First and foremost we have to protect our Imaan and protect ourselves of Kufr the ultimate unforgivable sin. What all Muslims need to have is knowledge of our deen, which is something we lack. Proof of this is how a lot of us accept mockery of our fundamental beliefs and don't think there is anything wrong with that! Well there is and it can take us out of the fold of Islam.

We need to know that if one mocks or jokes about the seven tenants of Islam he/she leaves the fold of Islam and becomes a non muslim. What is more serious is if it is one person who is doing this and any other muslims finds it funny or loughs in response to any form of mockery of the 7 tenants of Islam will have committed kufr and is no longer a muslim.

That is how serious this matter is. So for us Muslims we need to wake up and realize that we can never be liberal and accepting as the 'norm' jest or mockery of the tenants of Islam, especially to become an equal member of society just to fit in with others etc.

As a Muslim this kind or any other kind of comedy/humor,jesting, joking or whatever you want to call it should give us pain and disgust otherwise are you comfortable with gambling on your Iman? What if laughing at this type of humor was the last thing you done before you died?

[Tahir-Riaz]

The-Fallen, on 29 August 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

I think we as Muslims are missing a serious point in the portrayal of the Qur'an being ridiculed.

How is this comedy ridiculing The Holy Quraan? How do you connect stereo type behavior projected in this comedy with the Holy Quraan?

[Jumbojet]

This comment by the main character in a conversation with the Mosque manager, "if it isnt in the Quran then it should be" is borderline blasphemy and its ridiculing the book of Allah. Also the way in which the western Hijabi is seen to open the Quran is an insult, its mocking our religion and if Muslim cant see past the one liners then more fool them.

[Tahir-Riaz]

Jumbojet, on 29 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

This comment by the main character in a conversation with the Mosque manager, "if it isnt in the Quran then it should be" is borderline blasphemy and its ridiculing the book of Allah.

I find the program funny, but statement as above is obviously going to cause friction. Having said that, the quoted statement says more about Mr. Khan than The Holy Quraan.

In case you have missed the point, Mr. Khan is not a pious religious man even though he enjoys being professed as one. He is a systematic lying machine.

The objective of this program is not to teach or change tenets of Islam!

[Desert-Sheikh]

Jumbojet, on 29 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

This comment by the main character in a conversation with the Mosque manager, "if it isnt in the Quran then it should be" is borderline blasphemy and its ridiculing the book of Allah. Also the way in which the western Hijabi is seen to open the Quran is an insult, its mocking our religion and if Muslim cant see past the one liners then more fool them.

It's all part of their anti-Islam campaign but it reflects today's Muslims not Islam.

Btw, what can be done? Protest outside the Studios or letters/tweets to BBC Administration wouldn't work, they will continue their agenda. Only an organized media campaign is inevitable, let's take the control of Media or get ready for the worst.

[Fekay]

hidayah227, on 29 August 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

I am not the kind of guy who would go out and start ranting about this whole thing, but i believe it does need reviewing in certain areas.
The western media have always been portraying Islam as a religion of oppression and that Muslim women are oppressed in their society & forced to wear the hijab by their families. Here is a perfect example scene 1 (father walks in, daughter is terrified looking for her hijab and QUICKLY puts it over her head before her father see's her not wearing it.Scene two the daughter removing her hijab and wears a western outfit so desperately wanting to go out for fresh air and a little fun. Now all this happening behind her fathers back, are you telling me this is all to do with the Pakistani's and nothing to do with the religion?? Comedy doesn't necessarily has to be based only on exaggeration to make the people laugh.Take a look at Fresh Prince Of Bel air for an example.A comedy about a black family full of humor. Your not gonna see them robbing a bank,drug dealing, or eating Jamaican patties just to make people laugh. Having Said that i don't mind exaggeration as long as it has nothing to do with our religion.

The show presents stereotypical Pakistani family; the reason for that is because these examples exist with our communities. If you call this blasphemy or ridicule then it's just ironic because all they've done is replicate our communities. The show represents Pakistanis and how they practice 'their' Islam. NOT what the hosts think of Islam or Qur'an.

All in all, it's our sad state.

[Mudassar-Rana]

Fekay, on 29 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

The show presents stereotypical Pakistani family; the reason for that is because these examples exist with our communities. If you call this blasphemy or ridicule then it's just ironic because all they've done is replicate our communities. The show represents Pakistanis and how they practice 'their' Islam. NOT what the hosts think of Islam or Qur'an.

All in all, it's our sad state.

Its a ridiculous over the top reaction. It is mocking pakistanis and muslims not islam. I cant understand how we can remain quiet over real things in the real world - like soldiers urinating on dead muslims and the quran but we get all high and mighty against auntie beeb! How many people actually wrote anything about these soldiers that were not taken to task over their heinous crimes? How many people wrote to the israli embassy about the young girl bulldozed and the culprits that were let off? Zilch. Can we really claim then that our outcry is against mocking of islam and the quran? But maybe there were some home truths that were a bit to close for comfort? There are 1001 zionist consipiracies against islam but believe me if you think this is one then you seriously need the looney bin.

And if anyone of you dont know a mosque committee man on a power trip then you dont live in england! Just turn up to jummah salah when the first name mentioned in the dua is the chaudry committee member who gives the first tenner!

It would be better if efforts were expended elsewhere for actual tangible betterment of ourselves, of our communities and our society in general. And we should be thanking Adil Ray that the media agenda has been diverted from child grooming. Or would we prefer dispatches or panorama to do an expose of those mosque teachers that batter kids black and blue? Or those taxi drivers that work all the hours that God sends them but for some reason still claim benefits? Or maybe those that bring over sisters as spouses? We have that much dirt in our communities that God forbid the media actually do start scrutinizing how our morals and actions dont match our beliefs. Sometimes we cant see a free ride even if it smacks us in the gob!

[arzooemadinah]

Mudassar-Rana, on 29 August 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Its a ridiculous over the top reaction. It is mocking pakistanis and muslims not islam. I cant understand how we can remain quiet over real things in the real world - like soldiers urinating on dead muslims and the quran but we get all high and mighty against auntie beeb! How many people actually wrote anything about these soldiers that were not taken to task over their heinous crimes? How many people wrote to the israli embassy about the young girl bulldozed and the culprits that were let off? Zilch. Can we really claim then that our outcry is against mocking of islam and the quran? But maybe there were some home truths that were a bit to close for comfort? There are 1001 zionist consipiracies against islam but believe me if you think this is one then you seriously need the looney bin.

And if anyone of you dont know a mosque committee man on a power trip then you dont live in england! Just turn up to jummah salah when the first name mentioned in the dua is the chaudry committee member who gives the first tenner!

It would be better if efforts were expended elsewhere for actual tangible betterment of ourselves, of our communities and our society in general. And we should be thanking Adil Ray that the media agenda has been diverted from child grooming. Or would we prefer dispatches or panorama to do an expose of those mosque teachers that batter kids black and blue? Or those taxi drivers that work all the hours that God sends them but for some reason still claim benefits? Or maybe those that bring over sisters as spouses? We have that much dirt in our communities that God forbid the media actually do start scrutinizing how our morals and actions dont match our beliefs. Sometimes we cant see a free ride even if it smacks us in the gob!

Rana bhai you said it is mocking pakistanies and muslims not islam so can you explain muslim kon hay us ka relegion kiya hay how can one mock muslim and not Islam and Islam made people muslims so muslim and Islam is one thing.

[arzooemadinah]

Desert-Sheikh, on 29 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

It's all part of their anti-Islam campaign but it reflects today's Muslims not Islam.

Btw, what can be done? Protest outside the Studios or letters/tweets to BBC Administration wouldn't work, they will continue their agenda. Only an organized media campaign is inevitable, let's take the control of Media or get ready for the worst.

101 % right get ready for the worst , people in media can do anything it depend how much money they getting and people are pleasing with adil ray they may be living the same life he introduced in the programmes thats why they got sympathy with the characters.

[Mudassar-Rana]

arzooemadinah, on 29 August 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

i know its exaggerations but what I am trying to say we still making fun for our community culture and relegion and what people see they will make out that we all live like that I met a lady few months back and she asked me can you muslim girls marry again with the same man after divorce etc and when I explained to her she said no in tv programmes this happened and she mentioned the programme and said that girl married again with same husband without marrying someone else as she trying to say something wrong you or the tv programmebecause locals think we do everything according to relegion. . mery piary bhai fun kay liye or boht kuch hay zarori nahe hay fun kay liye hum apna relegion culture ya ghar ki betian discuss kareen in programmes ,koi nunga ho to us ko kapara dena cahiyee na kay khood nunga ho jye insaan , shaed app ko bura laga lakin esy programmes ik sazish hain , instead of that he could make same programmes and show few nice cultured educated familes and that reflect our culture to others.

very rare we get chance to show our real relegion and culture to other communities on tv so if he had chance now he could do lot better than that .I am not saying they have to stop but people can react how they want and the programme will carry on and may be he will see in to it and improve this programme.

Sis what culture is it to hoard toilet rolls? Or wrap sofa's with plastic sheeting? NONE! Its just exaggeration. Anybody who believes after watching this programme that each muslim household has a mountain of loo rolls then they need to go to the looney bin.

Plus why are we so insecure about what people will think? What that tells me is that we actually have things to hide. Because we dont engage with the local community. Infact I am 1000% sure that majority of our actions are not even islamic and reflect very little of our culture. Our culture is the one that people would hang themselves rather than be shamed but how many cases of grooming have you seen in the last few months? And how many jummah khutbahs were there explaining the wretchedness of this crime? Zilch. Fact is we want the cake and we want to eat it. And if we can do it without paying for it all the better.

Gaur se dekho sis to ap ko nazr aai ga ke sab khyaali pilao hai kisi ko koi masla nahi hai culture aur deen ka. Mein aaj aik banday se milla jo pakistan se apni poori family ke saath idhar reh raha hai 20 years se. Aur mujhay barray fakhr se bataa raha tha ke mein ne siysi panaah li hai. mein jab poocha kiya masla tha Pakistan mein to hasnay lag gaya. Hamara culture yeh hai ke khulla khao ta nanga nao - aur bhaar bein jai deen, imaan aur tehzeeb. Jo is baat ko nahi qabool karta to woh kisi aur mulk mein rehta hai.

[Mudassar-Rana]

arzooemadinah, on 29 August 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Rana bhai you said it is mocking pakistanies and muslims not islam so can you explain muslim kon hay us ka relegion kiya hay how can one mock muslim and not Islam and Islam made people muslims so muslim and Islam is one thing.

Sis ap samjhdar hai - muslmaan aur islam do mukhtlif cheez hai - aur khaas kar aaj kal ke muslmaan.

[arzooemadinah]

Tahir-Riaz, on 29 August 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I find the program funny, but statement as above is obviously going to cause friction. Having said that, the quoted statement says more about Mr. Khan than The Holy Quraan.

In case you have missed the point, Mr. Khan is not a pious religious man even though he enjoys being professed as one. He is a systematic lying machine.

The objective of this program is not to teach or change tenets of Islam!

Tahir bhai we know he is a lying machine but why they use mosque and quraan then they could show a community place instead of mosque and she could read a story book, cook book etc instead quraan, only point what people are making why they use musjid and quran in comedy we cant play with relegion.

Because he is muslim you think we cant react uger yehi programme koi hindu likhta ub tak birmingham may jaloos nikla hota adil kay ghar ki windows toti hoti .

[arzooemadinah]

Mudassar-Rana, on 29 August 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Sis ap samjhdar hai - muslmaan aur islam do mukhtlif cheez hai - aur khaas kar aaj kal ke muslmaan.

aj kal ka muslim furq hay lakin quran majeed wala aik hi muslim hay , us may aj or kal ka muslim may furq nahe hay un ka amal saza jaza sab same hay bas chezen aj kal rangeen bana ker pesh ho rahi hain or hum un kay rung may doby hain asli nuqli ka furq bhol gye hain .

apni behan ko sumjahoo phir kay islam or muslim may kiya furq hay or quran may aj kay or kal kay muslim ko kesy mukhatib kiya gya hay ( taky main or sumjhdar ho jaoon jazak Allah )

[The-Fallen]

Tahir-Riaz, on 29 August 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

How is this comedy ridiculing The Holy Quraan? How do you connect stereo type behavior projected in this comedy with the Holy Quraan?

If you take away the Qur'an and put any other book as the center of the mockery like Shakespeare or harry potter then the whole sketch falls flat on its face. Without the Qur'an being mocked there is no so called comedy , stereotype or what ever you are finding as harmless comedy and I find as blasphemy and sickening. Remember this is using the Kalaam of Allah SWT as a comedy sketch, which to all Muslims should be disgusting and distasteful.

[A-New-Hope]

How many of you/us laughed when Borat sang his 'Throw the Jew down the well, so my country can be free'?

Any regrets?