[Nemesis]

First time I heard this was when Pir Saab, came toBirmingham to Pir Siddiq’s Jamia, Inthis clip Hadrat Mufakkir al-Islam Sayyid 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani gives anexegesis of Verse 40 from Surah at-Tawbah (9:40),"When they were both in the cave, and he said to his companion: 'Grievenot, surely Allah is with us.' "

The only Sahabi whose companionship is established andproven explicitly in the Holy Qur'an is Sayyiduna Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (Allah bepleased with him). In explaining the above Verse, any Shi'ah/Rafidi thatdisrespects Sayyiduna Siddiq al-Akbar (Allah be pleased with him) ischallenged, and if you present this clip to anyone who denies his great statusand rank they will have to change their mind and heart otherwise their lack offaith will become even more apparent

How can one disrespect or not acknowledge the greatness ofone who is talked about in the Holy Qur'an in such a way? One wonders what isin the hearts of such people.


what I find even more interesting isbecause of the name and attribute of siddiq, given to him Sayyiduna wa MaulanaMuhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) him by saying "he is alive and well,and will return" Allah almighty has raised the dead........

Watch, listen and enjoy (sorry if it has been posted before0

[arzooemadinah]

As you mentioned you heard this 1st time I dont know how old are you but please try to read quran with translation and tafseer you will explore a lot and if you read before then you must knew this before . Thankyou for sharing this lecture with us , we all need to spend may be 30 minutes or an hour to read quran and trnaslation and tafseer because we got limited time and our journey will end soon.

[Nemesis]

arzooemadinah, on 14 August 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

As you mentioned you heard this 1st time I dont know how old are you but please try to read quran with translation and tafseer you will explore a lot and if you read before then you must knew this before . Thankyou for sharing this lecture with us , we all need to spend may be 30 minutes or an hour to read quran and trnaslation and tafseer because we got limited time and our journey will end soon.

thanks for the Na'siah, when i meant i heard this the fist time, i meant the incident about the womens husband , i have to be more careful next time

[qadrimuslim]

Other Companions and wives are referred to in the Quran too but none are explicitly introduced as a "Companion" like Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA) is.

The point being made is: to deny the Iman and Sahabiat of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA) is Kufr because it is rejection of Quran.

In the same way, Sayyida Aisha (SA) is cleared of any wrongdoing in the Quran. For anyone to doubt her in this matter is rejection of the Quran and is Kufr.

This is a stern warning to Shia groups. Especially the Ghulat Shia and Rafizis who have developed a whole ideology in hatred of the Khulafa and Sahaba (RA)

HAQ SAB YAR!

[H@ydR]

qadrimuslim, on 15 August 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Other Companions and wives are referred to in the Quran too but none are explicitly introduced as a "Companion" like Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA) is.

The point being made is: to deny the Iman and Sahabiat of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA) is Kufr because it is rejection of Quran.

In the same way, Sayyida Aisha (SA) is cleared of any wrongdoing in the Quran. For anyone to doubt her in this matter is rejection of the Quran and is Kufr.

This is a stern warning to Shia groups. Especially the Ghulat Shia and Rafizis who have developed a whole ideology in hatred of the Khulafa and Sahaba (RA)

HAQ SAB YAR!

Interesting point there, the Quran mentioned about the Sahabiyat of Hazrat Abu Bakr Sidiq (ra). I agree with you on this but also do read Sura Hujrat.

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In the same way, Sayyida Aisha (SA) is cleared of any wrongdoing in the Quran. For anyone to doubt her in this matter is rejection of the Quran and is Kufr.

Refer to Sura Tahrim to understand what Allah az wajal thinks about Hz Ayesha (ra).

Also that Sura only talks about a very specific issue and not a general "blank cheque" for Hz Ayesha (ra). Your argument is leading towards Masumiyat.

[Mohammad_Salahuddin]

H@ydR, on 20 December 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Refer to Sura Tahrim to understand what Allah az wajal thinks about Hz Ayesha (ra).

Also that Sura only talks about a very specific issue and not a general "blank cheque" for Hz Ayesha (ra). Your argument is leading towards Masumiyat.

I am incensed at your dearth of understanding of these matters. Bro, seriously are you someone who is sincerely looking into these matters to understand or just looking to stir things up as you read these things. As I said earlier, if you search for hate, you will surely find it on the web.

I am still waiting from you a Sahih hadith on Hiba re Fadak..
You still haven’t presented the full analysis on the background on the murder of Uthman (ra) even accordingly to al-sayyuti as you have read him.

And now you have opened another debate regarding the two noblest personalities in our tradition and that too by quoting al-Quran SubhanAllah. Insha’Allah I will present my analysis on these sections of the Quran in Surh al-Noor and Surah al-Tahreem but first let me ask you what is the background of these ayahs in Surah al-Tahreem and what do you want to prove from this.

Please do not give me your understanding as per Urdu or English translation and if you do, please do so by quoting a classical mufassir.

Allah says in Surah al-Noor (verse 17) regarding Aisha Saddiqa Tahira (radi allahu anha).
“Allah advises you never to speak like this again, if you have faith”

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

H@ydR, on 20 December 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Interesting point there, the Quran mentioned about the Sahabiyat of Hazrat Abu Bakr Sidiq (ra). I agree with you on this but also do read Sura Hujrat.



Refer to Sura Tahrim to understand what Allah az wajal thinks about Hz Ayesha (ra).

Also that Sura only talks about a very specific issue and not a general "blank cheque" for Hz Ayesha (ra). Your argument is leading towards Masumiyat.

I just think that if Allah addresses someone specifically in the Quran then you or anyone else has NO right to pass judgement on that person, because the matter has reached a conclusion. We can only really comment if there has been injustice which has gone without a conclusive judgement. It is like this because it is then between God and that person. When Allah refers to Abu Lahab in the Quran then that is the personal judgement of God on him and we should not interfere; the matter is closed. Another example is when God admonishes the holy Prophet, this is not for us to discuss because it is a matter between God and him.

As for Hazrat Ayesha then she is the blessed wife of the Prophet who despite any human weakness is a symbol of great honour for us. She lived without the Prophet for decades, and maintained her faith, did good works for it and her childlessness without complaint is humbling. She was a great honourable lady the daughter of a great honourable Sahabi-we are not as blessed as them for they have lived with the Prophet and shared his company.

[H@ydR]

Mohammad_Salahuddin, on 20 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

I am incensed at your dearth of understanding of these matters. Bro, seriously are you someone who is sincerely looking into these matters to understand or just looking to stir things up as you read these things. As I said earlier, if you search for hate, you will surely find it on the web.

I am still waiting from you a Sahih hadith on Hiba re Fadak..
You still haven’t presented the full analysis on the background on the murder of Uthman (ra) even accordingly to al-sayyuti as you have read him.

And now you have opened another debate regarding the two noblest personalities in our tradition and that too by quoting al-Quran SubhanAllah. Insha’Allah I will present my analysis on these sections of the Quran in Surh al-Noor and Surah al-Tahreem but first let me ask you what is the background of these ayahs in Surah al-Tahreem and what do you want to prove from this.

Please do not give me your understanding as per Urdu or English translation and if you do, please do so by quoting a classical mufassir.

Allah says in Surah al-Noor (verse 17) regarding Aisha Saddiqa Tahira (radi allahu anha).
“Allah advises you never to speak like this again, if you have faith”

OMG, why should you be incensed? i just want that brother to have a complete understanding not just quoting a Quranic verse to prove a point. See where else you find them. It is the words of Allah az wajal. It seems like you are disagreeing with the words of Allah (swt). If you agree about Sura Al-Noor you should also agree with Sura Tahrim otherwise you are disbelieving the Quran.





I will provide you with the reference from Al-Sayuti later once i have the time to do so.

[H@ydR]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 20 December 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

I just think that if Allah addresses someone specifically in the Quran then you or anyone else has NO right to pass judgement on that person, because the matter has reached a conclusion. We can only really comment if there has been injustice which has gone without a conclusive judgement. It is like this because it is then between God and that person. When Allah refers to Abu Lahab in the Quran then that is the personal judgement of God on him and we should not interfere; the matter is closed. Another example is when God admonishes the holy Prophet, this is not for us to discuss because it is a matter between God and him.

As for Hazrat Ayesha then she is the blessed wife of the Prophet who despite any human weakness is a symbol of great honour for us. She lived without the Prophet for decades, and maintained her faith, did good works for it and her childlessness without complaint is humbling. She was a great honourable lady the daughter of a great honourable Sahabi-we are not as blessed as them for they have lived with the Prophet and shared his company.

Yes, you only pass judgments when it favours your wimps and fancies, the people here pass judgements as if that individual is Ma'sum which contradicts the Quran. So according to you we shouldnt talk about Abu Lahad (la)? because Allah all-mighty's "personal judgement"? i havent heard anything more absurd than this. Abu Lahab is accursed and we should do laanat on him, i do not know of any Islamic sect who would disagree.

So did other wives, why you people do not have the audacity to address the virtues of the other wives of our Master (salawat alayh). Why not talk about the virtues of Hazrat Khadija Kubra (salawat alayh), is she mentioned in the Quran?.That sura was a particular issue that Allah proved the innocence of her from the accusation thrown by some wicked individuals that she is having an illicit affair. The issue was resolved there and then. The honour of Hazrat Ayesha was protected but that does not mean Allah has given her a free rein to do whatever she pleases for that i have proven through the revelation by Allah All-Mighty in Sura Tahrim and also wives of the Prophet are supposed to be confined in the house according to the Quran.

[qadrimuslim]

What I see being said here is wrong

H@ydR is being dishonest to himself and other readers.

What I said is the Quran cleared Sayyida Aisha (RA) of the allegations made against her - for anyone (mainly the rawafiz) to still accuse her of such (an evil they openly commit) then it is kufr and rejection of the Quran. Simple.

To go around trying to prove she did wrong afterwards etc etc, again, the Rawafiz show a massive rejection of Sayyiduna Ali (KW) who still respected her and protected her dignity.

To spend time finding faults in Sayyida Aisha (RA) is to cast a vote of no confidence in the Prophet (SAW) - protect your iman if you have any!

Ali is our Master and he knew more about Sayyida Aisha (RA) than any human who lived afterwards. Do not accuse Ali because of your stupidity.

[H@ydR]

qadrimuslim, on 21 December 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

What I see being said here is wrong

H@ydR is being dishonest to himself and other readers.

What I said is the Quran cleared Sayyida Aisha (RA) of the allegations made against her - for anyone (mainly the rawafiz) to still accuse her of such (an evil they openly commit) then it is kufr and rejection of the Quran. Simple.

To go around trying to prove she did wrong afterwards etc etc, again, the Rawafiz show a massive rejection of Sayyiduna Ali (KW) who still respected her and protected her dignity.

To spend time finding faults in Sayyida Aisha (RA) is to cast a vote of no confidence in the Prophet (SAW) - protect your iman if you have any!

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What I said is the Quran cleared Sayyida Aisha (RA) of the allegations made against her - for anyone (mainly the rawafiz) to still accuse her of such (an evil they openly commit) then it is kufr and rejection of the Quran. Simple.

This is completely absurd, never did we contradicted the Quran regarding the innocence of Hazrat Ayesha, this is a stab on our back. A blatant lie! show me when and where did we accuse her of having illicit relationship with Safwan???? I challenge you on this ! bring forth your evidence!!! and this challenge is open to your sect of Sahaba Islam to bring forth your evidence against us! a lie!

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To spend time finding faults in Sayyida Aisha (RA) is to cast a vote of no confidence in the Prophet (SAW) - protect your iman if you have any!

From where did you get this statement? if its from your thoughts, i suggest to keep it to yourself. Verily Allah has rebutted your argument on the issue of Prophet's wife for your sect in Sura Tahrim. See verse 10 below:

Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter."

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Ali is our Master and he knew more about Sayyida Aisha (RA) than any human who lived afterwards. Do not accuse Ali because of your stupidity.

Praise be to Allah (swt) that your sect still acknowledge that such war (Jamal) ever existed between Mawla Ali (alaihisalam) and Hz Ayesha. Stupidity? with Mawla (as), that you attribute it to him by saying he loves Muawiya. Utter nonsense!

[Desert-Sheikh]

H@ydR, on 21 December 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Praise be to Allah (swt) that your sect still acknowledge that such war (Jamal) ever existed between Mawla Ali (alaihisalam) and Hz Ayesha. Stupidity? with Mawla (as), that you attribute it to him by saying he loves Muawiya. Utter nonsense!

This has been discussed umpteen times on various threads. Please do not turn every topic into heated discussions or debates.

Whatever is being said about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (radi Allahu anhu), and Umm Al Momineen Syeda Aisha (radi Allahu anha), is the Sunni point of view - Either you welcome it wholeheartedly or just tolerate it.

The choice lies with you!

[Mudassar-Rana]

bro haydr - i recall in another thread you said some wonderful things about how we forgo doctrine and come to the middle path. But at every given opportunity you cant forget to have a go at either bibi ayesha r.a or others. And none of it seems to shed new light on any matter simply the same old regurgitated opinions. Its tiresome. It was a community of human's not angels. If there were no mistakes then why would allah send nabi as? Why would allah send caliph's? what is the reason for rule of law etc. This emotional attachment to doctrine is the same as the takfiri's who wont drop it simply because they have attachment to hatred. You too have attachment to hatred and this is why you can't see how mawla ali a.s behaved. In our quest to defend our beliefs we cast aspersions upon those who we hold dear. Just as you have done on mawla ali a.s and technocore did in the other thread on imam hassan a.s.

No one says bibi aisha r.a didnt err - but we ask you to look at the behaviour of mawla ali a.s who accepted her error and then had the good grace to escort her back to madina with full protocol. There is not a single instance where mawla ali a.s would behave outside the shariah - so now what is wrong in having the grace of ali a.s? Or will you turn your backs on ali a.s as some do against imam hassan a.s? Bro you are harming you own akhirah by casting aspersions and continuously discussing the wife of rasool allah a.s - it doesnt harm him -but where is your adab? Be very careful because this gustakhi allah may not forgive and you too will be married one day - allah may choose to exact revenge for this nonesense.

[H@ydR]

Mudassar-Rana, on 21 December 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

bro haydr - i recall in another thread you said some wonderful things about how we forgo doctrine and come to the middle path. But at every given opportunity you cant forget to have a go at either bibi ayesha r.a or others. And none of it seems to shed new light on any matter simply the same old regurgitated opinions. Its tiresome. It was a community of human's not angels. If there were no mistakes then why would allah send nabi as? Why would allah send caliph's? what is the reason for rule of law etc. This emotional attachment to doctrine is the same as the takfiri's who wont drop it simply because they have attachment to hatred. You too have attachment to hatred and this is why you can't see how mawla ali a.s behaved. In our quest to defend our beliefs we cast aspersions upon those who we hold dear. Just as you have done on mawla ali a.s and technocore did in the other thread on imam hassan a.s.

No one says bibi aisha r.a didnt err - but we ask you to look at the behaviour of mawla ali a.s who accepted her error and then had the good grace to escort her back to madina with full protocol. There is not a single instance where mawla ali a.s would behave outside the shariah - so now what is wrong in having the grace of ali a.s? Or will you turn your backs on ali a.s as some do against imam hassan a.s? Bro you are harming you own akhirah by casting aspersions and continuously discussing the wife of rasool allah a.s - it doesnt harm him -but where is your adab? Be very careful because this gustakhi allah may not forgive and you too will be married one day - allah may choose to exact revenge for this nonesense.

I do not have issues with you but with those who throw accusations at us that we deny the words of Allah (swt), which to me is not acceptable at all and amounts to Kufr, i am sure you read what he mentioned. When on earth have the ahle tashayyu denied the innocence of Haz Ayesha (ra) on that incident. The other aspect is the complete lack of understanding of Sura Al-Nur.

[H@ydR]

Desert-Sheikh, on 21 December 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

This has been discussed umpteen times on various threads. Please do not turn every topic into heated discussions or debates.

Whatever is being said about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (radi Allahu anhu), and Umm Al Momineen Syeda Aisha (radi Allahu anha), is the Sunni point of view - Either you welcome it wholeheartedly or just tolerate it.

The choice lies with you!

Yes brother, i still respect Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) and also Hazrat Umar Faruq (ra) they have toiled for the state and in their reign mistakes were committed but that does not negate their efforts. My concern is that some Quranic verse have been twigged in a manner to show that Haz. Ayesha (ra) as sinless and that she will never commit a sin this is a wrong interpretation. She is fallible and her actions do not have the slightest of impact on our Master (salawat alayh), i am against attaching her to the Prophet (saw), which is a serious contradiction in Aqeeda as it contradicts the clear verse of Sura Tahreem : 10. Her nisbah to the Prophet (saw) will not save her. What more intriguing is how people have the nerve to make our Master (salawat alayh) to be responsible to her actions.

In our sources, our Master (salawat alayh) has made it clear to Hazrat Ayesha (ra) that she is obliged to obey Ameer ul Mumineen Mawla Ali (salawat alayh) after our Master (saw).

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

H@ydR, on 21 December 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

i am against attaching her to the Prophet (saw), which is a serious contradiction in Aqeeda as it contradicts the clear verse of Sura Tahreem : 10. Her nisbah to the Prophet (saw) will not save her. What more intriguing is how people have the nerve to make our Master (salawat alayh) to be responsible to her actions.

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Allah swt has given her the status of ummatul moi'mineen by attaching her to HIS beloved Rasool saw. You may not like it bro but that's the reality and status Hz Aisha ra.

Be careful talking about your mother like this.

[Mohammad_Salahuddin]

H@ydR, on 21 December 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

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Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter."[/font]

Bro Hayder, you still have not presented what do you want to proof from Surah al-Tahreem. If Allah reprimed Aisha Saddiqa and Hafsa (radi allahu anhuma) in these ayahs than that doesn't gives u that "blank cheque" to talk ill about our Mothers (radi allahu anhunna).

You talk about the Quran and ayahs of al-Quran but as far I understand you do not even understand its language, let alone the usool. You accuse that we reject the ayahs of al-Quran in al-Tahreem. Please explain how?
Also, didn't the matter got resolved during the life time of Rasool Allah (sallahu 'alehe wassalam). And doesn't Allah subhanhu wa ta'ala says at numerious places that if you ask for forgiveness that Allah wipes your sins but replaces them with good deeds. So matter you are talking about was settled and you cannot prove anything else from it.

If you are an ignorant of Quran that it's not our fault, how can you apply the situation of the wives of Noah and Lot ('alehm al-salaam). Quran has explicitly mentioned their kufar and they were punished. Surah al-Tahreem is only a warning. Rasool Allah (sallahu 'alehe wassalam) stayed with these blessed wives even after this event. So your argument is like a sand castle. The moment you realise the truth, it will parish away.

And who on this forum has said that they were ma'sumeen (free of wrongdoing). We ahle sunnah do not believe any person free of wrongdoings apart from Prophet ('alehem al-salaam). Our Mother Aisha Saddiqa (radi allahu anha) made a mistake for going to the battle of Jamal. She used to cry and repented over this and she admitted her mistake. We have several sources confirming that.

Plus, do you know what were the questions posed by Khawarij to Hazrat Ibn Abbas (ra) and what were his answers. Read and that may also shed some light.

Moula Ali (ra) didn't make any person in the battle of Jamal as war prisoner and no booty was allowed to be taken. He even cried profusely over the martydom of some of the Sahaba (ra).

[YaNabi-Chemist]

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On that note, topic locked.

If H@ydR continues to spread his venom at any given opportunity then he will be reprimanded. He is free to discuss and question however as many members have said this is getting tiresome now. To regurgitate the same rhetoric on every thread will not lead to anything tangible.

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This post has been edited by YaNabi-Chemist: 21 December 2012 - 02:01 PM