[aarifziaee]

Assalamwaleikum wr br

i want to know whether any sunni groups conducting taraveeh
prayers in Madina shareef in any hotel or any place ?

[Husayni]

Why ?

[arzooemadinah]

aarifziaee, on 03 August 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Assalamwaleikum wr br

i want to know whether any sunni groups conducting taraveeh
prayers in Madina shareef in any hotel or any place ?

If you can't read taraveeh namaz in musjid e nbavi shareef what you doing in madinah then stay away , job in saudia is peoples need and they want to earn tax free incomes from there but when it comes to namaz then they become real sunnies and they can't read namaz in musjid .

[Desert-Sheikh]

arzooemadinah, on 03 August 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

If you can't read taraveeh namaz in musjid e nbavi shareef what you doing in madinah then stay away , job in saudia is peoples need and they want to earn tax free incomes from there but when it comes to namaz then they become real sunnies and they can't read namaz in musjid .

Its just a small minority of India/Pakistan, but Sunnis from all over the world including TOP Arab Sunni Scholars pray behind Saudi Imams in Haramain, even the Dr. Rizwan Sahib (Sajjada-Nasheen of Qutb-e-Madina, Zia-ul-Deen Madani) also pray behind Saudi Imams.

By the way, its not about Saudi Imams, most of the mentioned 'Sunni' groups don't consider each other as Sunni and most of them even don't pray behind each other.

[arzooemadinah]

Desert-Sheikh, on 03 August 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Its just a small minority of India/Pakistan, but Sunnis from all over the world including TOP Arab Sunni Scholars pray behind Saudi Imams in Haramain, even the Dr. Rizwan Sahib (Sajjada-Nasheen of Qutb-e-Madina, Zia-ul-Deen Madani) also pray behind Saudi Imams.

By the way, its not about Saudi Imams, most of the mentioned 'Sunni' groups don't consider each other as Sunni and most of them even don't pray behind each other.

Masha Allah DS bhai if DR rizwan sahib pray behind Imams in saudia I think now the time to ask the people who are asking pakistani indian sunni people to stop pray behind saudi Imams and even the mufties alims who ever encouraging people to do that they are saying the namaz is not valid if we sunnies pray behind sunni Imams there . I even saw most doing traveh even eid namaz as there gropus after the imams finished or in different places and 99% claiming they are madni razvi ziai etc who are doing this.

The sincear alims and mufties have to stop that because they making themselves a joke and putting fatwas on others who read behind saudi Imams.They also making confusion for the youngsters.

[Desert-Sheikh]

arzooemadinah, on 04 August 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

Masha Allah DS bhai if DR rizwan sahib pray behind Imams in saudia I think now the time to ask the people who are asking pakistani indian sunni people to stop pray behind saudi Imams and even the mufties alims who ever encouraging people to do that they are saying the namaz is not valid if we sunnies pray behind sunni Imams there . I even saw most doing traveh even eid namaz as there gropus after the imams finished or in different places and 99% claiming they are madni razvi ziai etc who are doing this.

The sincear alims and mufties have to stop that because they making themselves a joke and putting fatwas on others who read behind saudi Imams.They also making confusion for the youngsters.

This issue is entirely different from the Masala-e-Takfir, the statements of Indian Devbandi elders written in Urdu and Persian languages. Saudi Wahabis are Arabs and their entire old/modern literatures, has published in Arabic language and the native learned Arab Sunni scholars like Syed Alawai Almalaki Sahib, Sheikh Habib Omar, Sheikh Habib Ali, Mufti-e-Syria etc understand it really well. What Indian/Pakistani scholars know about Saudi Wahabis that Sunni Arabs don't??

So, the question is: If Arab Sunni scholars pray behind Saudi Imams then why don't Indian\Pakistani Sunni scholars pray behind Saudi Imams?
Secondly, If praying behind Saudi Wahabi Imams doesn't affect the Iman and Sunniyat of Arab Scholars then why does it make Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadiri, a Sullah-Kulli etc due to praying behind Devbandi or Wahabis?

[Cynical]

Desert-Sheikh, on 04 August 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

This issue is entirely different from the Masala-e-Takfir, the statements of Indian Devbandi elders written in Urdu and Persian languages. Saudi Wahabis are Arabs and their entire old/modern literatures, has published in Arabic language and the native learned Arab Sunni scholars like Syed Alawai Almalaki Sahib, Sheikh Habibi Omar, Sheikh Habibi Ali etc understand it really well. What Indian/Pakistani scholars know about Saudi Wahabis that Sunni Arabs don't??

So, the question is: If Arab Sunni scholars pray behind Saudi Imams then why don't Indian\Pakistani Sunni scholars pray behind Saudi Imams?
Secondly, If praying behind Saudi Wahabi Imams doesn't affect the Iman and Sunniyat of Arab Scholars then why does it make Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadiri, a Sullah-Kulli etc due to praying behind Devbandi or Wahabis?

That's a good question. Anyway, is it true that Sahaba used to pray behind khawarij?

[Know-the-Ledge]

I genuinly without malice feel sorry for you, you want to be in Madina and pray in a Hotel? TROLOL!!-x

This is going to make for great banter with the bros, i'm going to ask them for a drum-roll before I tell them.

[Cynical]

Know-the-Ledge, on 04 August 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

I genuinly without malice feel sorry for you, you want to be in Madina and pray in a Hotel? TROLOL!!-x

This is going to make for great banter with the bros, i'm going to ask them for a drum-roll before I tell them.

That's thought provoking!
But you cannot really blame him for this, that's what he probably heard from some shaykh that its haram to pray behind those wahabi's..

[Mudassar-Rana]

Cynical, on 04 August 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

That's thought provoking!
But you cannot really blame him for this, that's what he probably heard from some shaykh that its haram to pray behind those wahabi's..

I concur - we cant blame the bro. For the last few years we have grown up with this issue - about who we can and cannot pray salah behind. Madina is irrelevant people in manchester will not pray behind a sunni-brelvi of a different shade because they have suspicions on the belief of that gentleman.

What I cant understand in this debate is that say if a person outwardly is in line with your aquaid but inside he is a munafiq? How do you go about vetting a persons aquaid? Did imam hassan and hussein a.s not pray behind marwan in madina? Isnt it the case each individual is going to be accounted for their own actions and not the others?

Salah is the first and foremost action of unity. If we cant get past that bridge then everything is else is just a game. I have seen sahibaan shout the loudest on the pulpit that praying behind a wahabbi/tableeghi/different aquaid is not allowed yet those same people when they set Hajj tour operations go and see a deobandi Lord Adam Patel to become authorised for taking people on hajj!

This intellectual masterbation over the fact that arab ulema gave a fatwa of kufr on deoband etc is just that it has no basis in any truth - because tomorrow if i went to see the same person and say person x/y/z says this then they will write down a fatwa of kufr for me too and I can go around waving the paper myself saying i won the debate. Only recently we had the same debate over yemeni ulema giving a fatwa of kufr against Salman Taseer but how much did they know about the issue? Zilch!

The end result as a result of the question the brother has asked is he is deprived of praying in masjid e nabwi. Those that strive to cut the ummah into pieces should set the example of not setting up hajj and umrah travel operations as they are directly filling the coffers of the saudi/wahabbi state as well as their own - or is that allowed?

I would have the greatest respect for an alim who after his tafakkur said I am not going to Saudi Arabia because to go would be to legitimise the rule of the Saudi Royals and the takfiri cult of Wahabism.Therefore until Allah removes them I shant enter foot in that country and advise my followers to do so to. This is intellectual honesty.

Or further when was the last time you heard a Sunni Imam went to Saudi Arabia and challenged their kufr and rebellion openly against Allah and his messenger s.a.w ? Because in my eyes the saudi wahabi state is a bigger criminal than Israel and America combined.

Dont blame the brother blame those who are constantly filling people's brains with the proverbial excrement.

[shanty]

Has anyone answered the question?

[arzooemadinah]

Br Mr no one blaming br but the alims shekihen etc who teach this if people do namaz behind wahabi or join in namaz in makka and madinah there namaz is not valid even they tell them look after your salat if situation comes just stand in namaz and dont read and after do your own I know they have to blame.

but the brother got sense why he cant get enough knowledge from books and good scholers etc about this issue instead beleiving on the molves and alims who are saying dont do namaz there in jmaat etc .Them molves alims , mufties got no fear and teaching others hatred.

Br ktl 100% righ , people beg to visit madinah and makkah shreef when it comes to namaz time they go and do there own namaz.( uger makkah or madinah ja ker in ki jamat say namaz ada nahe hoty to apny ghar may hi purh loo phir uder ja ker kiya kerna Allah say dua kerni cahiye her person ko jub uder jaey Allah us ko tofeeq deen kay her namaz harmen may ada karey.ameen)

not only traweeh they read even eid namaz on there own in different hotels etc .Question people need to ask themselves if we are in madinah shareef and do namaz outside musjid do nabi paak saw will like that ( wesy hum nabi say mohabat ka dawa ker rhay hain)

yeh sab bahany bun jaty hain lakin mery khiyal may jo madinah shareef ya makka shareef ja ker bhi harmeen may namaz ada nahe kerta hay us ko tofeeq hi nahe milty .

hazaron pounds money lakhoon pakistani rupees laga ker insan jub makkah shareef or madinah shareef jaye or is jhugery main pur jye kay kis kay imamat may namaz hay kis ki nahe to MR bhai blame us person ko bhi jye ga ya sirf molvion muftion ko .

Allah paak nay aqal e saleem isi liye atta ki hay kay hum jo amal kareen us ki reserch bhi kareen do we doing this act right or wrong or we only listen others and do our acts blindly following others.

If anyone knows any hotel place they holding namaz they can reply but if not then who is asking the answer please ask brothers locally they will give you more information.

but encourage each other to join namaz in harmeen shareef.

[Know-the-Ledge]

shanty, on 04 August 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

Has anyone answered the question?

And further legitimise his confusion? Deprive him of the blessings of praying in the haram?

The journey of hajj and umrah is for self-cleansing, it's a journey of spirituality and self-reflection, not a futile excercise in politics and secetarianism. I remember lying in Majid-e-Nabvi shareef looking at the stars, an unfortunate man thinks about politics and polemics there, what kind of sway do us individuals have anyway? It's typcially the Sunni kids who live at home and work part-time in Asda that buy into this malarkey...

[Malaaikah]

aarifziaee, on 03 August 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Assalamwaleikum wr br

i want to know whether any sunni groups conducting taraveeh
prayers in Madina shareef in any hotel or any place ?

Wsalam wr br

Do you know the reward one gets for praying salah in Masjid Nabwi?

Now think about the reward for praying taraweeh in the blessed month of Ramadhaan at Masjid Nabwi . Not many people are giving this opportunity do you know how lucky you are? Please make the most of it and remember us in ur duas.

[Zarlish]

aarifziaee, on 03 August 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Assalamwaleikum wr br

i want to know whether any sunni groups conducting taraveeh
prayers in Madina shareef in any hotel or any place ?

YOUR ANSWER HERE !
''Imam Ibn e Abi Shaibah have narrated a hadith on the authority of Imam Hassan Radiallahu-anh

عن الحسن، قال: «لا يضر المؤمن صلاته خلف المنافق، ولا ينفع المنافق صلاة المؤمن خلفه»

Translation: A prayer of the Momin(True Muslim) behind Munafiq(A Hypocrite who is muslim by appearance only and not by faith) will not give any loss to him while the prayer of Munafiq(A Hypocrite who is muslim by appearance only and not by faith) behind Momin will not be of any profit to him.

Al Musannaf-Imam ibn e Abi Shaibah, 152/2, #7562''

In my personal view Bcz Harmain Shareef is now under the brutal custody of Wahabies and it has no other way, so you can pray namaz etc bcz its important. now while this phenomena when arrived to indo pak . Then its one's own state of piety (Taqwa) that one should step aside from praying behind any -Badmadhab!
I hope this will be understand by you

[arzooemadinah]

The 1st question how you know they are munafiq have you got ilam e gaib?

2. How you now you are a poius man and not munafiq ?

very easy to listen the takferi molvies and assume that all Imams in harmeen wahabi have you ever checked how many sunnies in arabic countries or do you think only inidia and pakistanies are sunni left on earth.

If you cant read namaz in harmeen because the Imams are munafiqs so why you go there if not to do sajdha only seeing the buildings.

What you all think who saying namaz in harmeen is not valid. Do you know more than Allah subhan when Allah says read namaz in harmeen and the reaward is a lot why you want to not listen Allah subhan and listen these takferi molvies who only want fame and doing proganda and you want to end up reading your namaz on street or in basement somewhere when you actually in harmeen.

our aqedha only who can go there who invited by Allah subhan and nabi paak saw so do they call you there to do namaz in basemnets in different hotels or they call you to do ibadat in harmeen.

We are loosers if we are in madinah and makka shareef and cant do sajdha in musjids and find another place for namaz ( sirf woh esa kary ga jis ko musjid main namaz ki tofeeq nahe mili ijazat nahe hay )

What authority we or anyone have to tell others they are munafiq or not muslims etc .

[shez1983]

Saying that some ulemas in Arab has declared it legal to pray behind Wahabis etc doesnt mean this should be applied to everyone.

Example: Some Ulema have said stunned chicken and then electric blade killing is legal to eat (HFA) but others havent (HMC). so just because some ulema has declaied it legal doesnt mean it is 100% right.