[HussainShaheed]

Recently purchased a book written by one of my ancestors on my Hussaini side, Sayyid Jalal al-din Bukhari Makhdum-I Jahaniyan called "Knowledge before action." link The author fully acknowledges that Shah Jahaniyan (Bukhari Naqvi) is a great Suhwardhi but claims he was a shia. This greatly bothered me as my understanding is that Shias don't believe in sufism, nor do they believe/follow the awliya, and they harbor great enmity towards Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (which all Sufis acknowledge as their Murshid/master). Is there such a thing as Sufi Shia? I've noticed that many of our extended family members became shias hundreds of years ago (under duress and oppression) and that they celebrate urs, do fatiha, believe in milads, etc. Our family believe in the twelve Imams (Itni Ashari Sunni) but we believe the 12 Imams are Sunni. Has anyone ever written a fatwa proving this? I've tried looking up information written by Shah Muhadith Abdul Haq Delhwi but not much of his works have been translated into english. Are shias attempting to rewrite history making them great Hussaini figures as Shia?

Also, my understanding of the difference between shia and sunni is that sunnis believe the Sahabahs loved the Ahle Bayt and that the Ahle Bayt loved them for their connection to Rasulullah (Sallahu Ala Wa Alaihi Wa Salim). Whereas the shias work on making a large divide and separating the two with fabrications and distortions and in some cases cursing them (Nauzibillah).

Jazakallah Khair

[Husayni]

 HussainShaheed, on 24 July 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Recently purchased a book written by one of my ancestors on my Hussaini side, Sayyid Jalal al-din Bukhari Makhdum-I Jahaniyan called "Knowledge before action." link The author fully acknowledges that Shah Jahaniyan (Bukhari Naqvi) is a great Suhwardhi but claims he was a shia. This greatly bothered me as my understanding is that Shias don't believe in sufism, nor do they believe/follow the awliya, and they harbor great enmity towards Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (which all Sufis acknowledge as their Murshid/master). Is there such a thing as Sufi Shia? I've noticed that many of our extended family members became shias hundreds of years ago (under duress and oppression) and that they celebrate urs, do fatiha, believe in milads, etc. Our family believe in the twelve Imams (Itni Ashari Sunni) but we believe the 12 Imams are Sunni. Has anyone ever written a fatwa proving this? I've tried looking up information written by Shah Muhadith Abdul Haq Delhwi but not much of his works have been translated into english. Are shias attempting to rewrite history making them great Hussaini figures as Shia?

Also, my understanding of the difference between shia and sunni is that sunnis believe the Sahabahs loved the Ahle Bayt and that the Ahle Bayt loved them for their connection to Rasulullah (Sallahu Ala Wa Alaihi Wa Salim). Whereas the shias work on making a large divide and separating the two with fabrications and distortions and in some cases cursing them (Nauzibillah).

Jazakallah Khair

I have met a few shia's that claim to follow the Naimatullah tariqa..There are some shia's have follow there other tariqa but have changed there aqida,so basically they are sunni..

What is Itni Ashari Sunni ?

Sayyid Abdul-Husain Ahmad al-Nuri al-Husaini al-Qadiri Barkati Merah'rawi mention that Imams were among the fist Qutbs.

[Husayni]

A short clip by Shaykh Muhammad Bin Yahya Ninowy Al-Husyni on Ahlul Bayt praising Sayyiduna Abu Bakr ®
This alone should tell you the believe system the Imams had..

This post has been edited by Husayni: 24 July 2012 - 07:23 PM

[Mudassar-Rana]

im sure we cannot make blanket statements that all shia are evil. For a beleif system to last for so long there will have been many godly people too. And Godly people dont curse the companions of rasool allah a.s.

[HussainShaheed]

 Husayni, on 24 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

What is Itni Ashari Sunni ?

Sunnis who believe in the 12 Imams.

[Husayni]

 HussainShaheed, on 24 July 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Sunnis who believe in the 12 Imams.

I have never heard of sunnis calling themselves this..Btw Some arab scholars believe Imam Zayd ibn Ali was also a Qutb of his time..

[objective-enquirer]

hazrat makhdum jahaniyan jahan gasht® was not a shia at all. He was a hanafi scholar and a suharawardi shaykh and was an author of many works. He is also our ancestor and let me tell you that amina steinfeld may have meant shia in the sense of the lover of ahl al-bayt otherwise he was a famous shaykh. for example, the kichocaha sharif from India are from his silsila of bayat. for an accurate biography you may read 'nuzahat al-khawatir'.

[HussainShaheed]

 Husayni, on 24 July 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

I have never heard of sunnis calling themselves this..Btw Some arab scholars believe Imam Zayd ibn Ali was also a Qutb of his time..

In the subcontinent years ago, sunnis believed in the hadith of the 12 Imams that come from the offsprings of Imam Hussain. Wahabbis and other groups changed the meaning of that hadith to 12 Qureshis and attribute the meaning to 12 Caliphas. Regular people got confused and are not aware of the Aimah and their role or importance. It is part of Sunni creed, just as loving the Ahle bayt and following them is. But unfortunately wahabbis and other groups which claim to be sunnis are bringing a bad name to Sunnis so the distinction became necessary.

[HussainShaheed]

 objective-enquirer, on 24 July 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

hazrat makhdum jahaniyan jahan gasht® was not a shia at all. He was a hanafi scholar and a suharawardi shaykh and was an author of many works. He is also our ancestor and let me tell you that amina steinfeld may have meant shia in the sense of the lover of ahl al-bayt otherwise he was a famous shaykh. for example, the kichocaha sharif from India are from his silsila of bayat. for an accurate biography you may read 'nuzahat al-khawatir'.

Jazakallah Khair for your input. If she said it wrong she did a grave injustice to him and to what he taught. It is very important that his image and history remains untarnished. From a scholarly work that had many scholars editing it, I find it very disappointing for her to make that mistake. Even more so as many Naqvi's have become shia in modern day which their ancestors weren't (Shah Jahan Jahaniyan is the father of majority of the Naqvi's in the subcontinent). It makes it that much more important for his history to remain intact.

[HussainShaheed]

After reading further she does clarify that he is a Hanafi Sunni but she misspoke about his ancestors. Somehow many people are mistaken that the 12 Imams are shia. People have gotten to used to calling them shia Imams. They are not, nor will they ever be Rafadhis.

I am getting very irritated with people not making that distinction. The 12 Imams are rightly guided and they were loyal to Rasulullah Sallahu Ala Wa Alaihi Wa Salim and his family. They always showed the deepest respect and love for the Sahabas that is part of their greatness. In fact Imam Jafar As-Sadiq R is the grandson of Hazarat Abu Bakr As-Siddiq from his maternal side. Also Imam Ali Pak named his children (Awan) from his other wives after Hazarat Abu Bakr As-Siddiq R and Hazarat Omar Al-Farooq R and Hazarat Uthman Al-Ghani R. Rafadhi's have distorted history and then claim to be followers of the 12 Rightly Guided Imams. Sunni's are not helping by labeling the 12 Imams as Shia.