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'sighting Hilal Is Not Necessary' - Prof. Tahir Qadri

Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:48 AM (#1) User is offline   usmanali2528 

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As'salaamu Alaykum -

I felt that the argument presented here in this lecture lacked reasoning - The interpretation Prof. Qadri gives of the various words used in the few Blessed Hadith mentioned differs from the hundreds, if not thousands, of learned men who interpreted the words before him.

It makes you think - then why were we even directed to recite this prayer when seeing a new moon? - "O Allaah, let this moon (month) pass over us with blessings, Iman, safety, and in the belief of Islam. Grant us the ability to act on the actions that You love and Pleases You. (O moon) My Lord and Your Lord is Allaah".

Sad times -


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:44 AM (#2) User is offline   Loveandtruth 

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Don't blame the times for the actions of people.

Sadly too many people now a days say one good thing and then follow that one good thing with total falsehood.

Edit: Instead of attacking the Shaykh, please listen to his lecture and academically refute his argument. Any comments that include personal attacks will be removed.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:04 PM (#3) User is offline   gujjubond 

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following science doesn't mean following wahhabi/saudi.

see if this can further clarify his stand.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:10 PM (#4) User is offline   usmanali2528 

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My dear brother gujjubond, if you think yearning to sight the hilal in order to enter an Islamic month is an attack on, or lacking the ability to comprehend, scientific advancements than you may need to take another look at this whole discussion/topic again.

Perhaps a scholarly look at this topic may help one understand the other-side;

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on Hilal Sighting:

'Cesarean Moon Births' - Part 1
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_1.pdf

'Cesarean Moon Births' - Part 2
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_2.pdf
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:39 PM (#5) User is offline   Loveandtruth 

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For some reason my post was deleted. I did not insult Tahir Ul Qadri, I took apart his arguements as requested by the mod. Here is my post again:

View Postusmanali2528, on 22 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

As'salaamu Alaykum -

I felt that the argument presented here in this lecture lacked reasoning -




You have made more sense in these few sentences than Tahir Ul Qadri made in the segment of the speech I watched (haven't watched all of it yet and don't know if I even want to after listening some of the rubbish).

I agree that Tahir Ul Qadri lacked reason here. When he started playing around with the word that means "to see" probably anyone who has been involved or interested in politics and religion that he is flip flopping.

In the beginning he says that the word means as literally seeing, but then talks about telescopes and other stuff that is totally irrelevant.

The hadiths are as clear as day, but people with their own agendas try and twist stuff and confuse people. We should understand the Quran and Hadith the way the Prophet (S) taught us and the way the early Muslims understood.

Playing around with the definition of word that has historically been agreed upon by the scholars is silly and displays a level academic dishonesty. It's kind of like how nations play around with the world "genocide" or "slavery." Ever since the UN resolutions (or whatever they were) that condemned genocide and slavery, nations now use different words and/or flip flop with the word in order to evade the slavery and genocide that is going on today.

Religious people have now taken the approach of politicians to confuse people.

Linguistically speaking the hadith that refers to sight is obviously refering to the sight of the naked eye.

correct me if I am wrong, but I do not remember any phrase referred to as the "naked eye" in classical Arabic, which may expose his argument as fallacious.

He is also totally wrong with the 95% figure. It is total nonsense. Indonesia (largest Muslim population), Pakistan, Malaysia, India, Syria, Some African countries (to my knowledge), and many other Muslims all over the world LOOK at the moon.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Gulf States (except Oman to my knowledge), and other countries that are influenced by Wahabism/Salafism or so called weak-Sunnis who get influenced by oil-rich Saudi propaganda are the only ones to my knowledge that do it whenever they want.

I would guess that around 75%+ of the Muslims LOOK at the moon (maybe not in Canada where Tahir Ul Qadri lives) but worldwide. Tahir Ul Qadri is totally wrong with the 5% figure. It is laughable.

If we include the Shia (ie. Iran) the population would likely increase.

Regardless, I have lost my respect for Tahir Ul Qadri, and I hope the mods don't alter my post for saying this.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:52 PM (#6) User is offline   hidayah227 

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First of all we need to understand that Dr Tahir ul Qadri is not at all refuting those who sight the new moon with the naked eyes. In this video clip they are only proving the legality of using Astronomical Calculation to determine the birth of the new moon when it comes to fasting and Eid. Many Muslims living in northern parts of the world have great difficulties in witnessing the moon with the naked eyes due to constant cloud cover making visibility very poor. Dr Tahir ul Qadri's argument only revolves around the word "SIGHTING" in which they have given an explanation and proved that the word ro'ya has multiple meanings by quoting the works of great Authorities and hadith. And highlighting the point that the word eyes has not been mentioned in any Hadith meaning that the hadith can not be restricted to the sighting of the eyes & can also be implied to modern times.

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Edit: Please give link to this article instead of posting several large size images.

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Moon Visibility (Reply in Detail)by Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri
http://www.minhaj.or...lish/tid/17728/
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:19 PM (#9) User is offline   usmanali2528 

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Hidayah227 :"First of all we need to understand that Dr Tahir ul Qadri is not at all refuting those who sight the new moon with the naked eyes. In this video clip they are only proving the legality of using Astronomical Calculation to determine the birth of the new moon when it comes to fasting and Eid."

Interestingly my dear brother Hidayah227, we understood Prof. Qadri’s speech quite differently. I felt that he started his talk by directly attacking those who sight the new moon with their naked eyes by saying;

“Those who celebrated Eid on the first day, I congratulate them because they celebrated Eid along with 95% of the whole Ummah” [1:20]

He is implying that they were correct in celebrating Eid, hence an individual with little knowledge of Shari’ah is aware that fasting on Eid is prohibited. He indirectly implies that the 5% of people who did not celebrate Eid were incorrect; committed severe sin by fasting on a day considered being Eid.

The attacks on the eye-sighting community continue and do not stop from the very beginning. Prof. Qadri says;
“The problem is that some people are still hung up with their own ethnic background, they don’t want to come out of their own back country; Pakistan or India. And Islam was not promulgated in Pakistan or India, Islam is for the whole world. So we have to see what the whole Muslim Ummah or overwhelming majority of the Muslim Ummah is doing, so we have to be with the majority of the Muslim Ummah” [3:34]

Unfortunately implying that the Sunnah of eye-sighting is an action that indicates backward mentality [“hung up”].

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Yet Shaykh Hamza Yusuf while describing the importance of keeping this tradition of ‘naked eye-sighting’ alive writes;

“For more than a thousand years, Jews followed a calendar based upon naked-eye
observation of new moons. However, during the reign of the Roman Emperor
Constantius (337-361 CE), persecution of the colonized Jews intensified, preventing them from communicating news of a sighted moon to one another. It was Rabbi Hillel II who first introduced to Judaism a new moon based upon calculation and not actual physical sighting, in order to facilitate the observance of holidays for the oppressed Jews. The calendar was introduced in 358. “Its computations were designed to simulate the practical constraints of the observed calendar (including postponements and intercalations) as closely as possible,” according to the Active Bible Church of God, which continues:

Suggestions have been made that the computations should be changed, or that observation should again be used. It is clear that adjustments need to be made to the computed calendar in order to keep it synchronized with the sun and moon. But there is no consensus as to how this should be done, and, in the modern world, this needs to be done years in advance. Returning to observation is idyllic, but totally impractical. The modern world requires plans for religious observances to be made months, or even years, in advance. Only a computed calendar permits this. It is clear that just as “the Sabbath was made for man,” so also “the Calendar was made for man.” It is a tool to help us worship God. And an essential feature of a tool is that it must be useful and practical.

One can see from this the compromises the rabbis made in the Jewish community. Arguably, the Jews’ initial abandonment of eyewitness sighting was due to undue hardship at a specific period in their history, and the result of one of their great rabbis’ own human efforts to serve his community. Having said that, according to the principles of Islamic law, when the hardship that allowed the facilitating dispensation (rukh|ah) in the first place is no longer present, the license is no longer valid, and the original ruling must be restored. The Jews never returned to their original tradition of following a purely lunar calendar determined by eyewitnesses; instead, they continue to determine the new moon calculation. Our Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] clearly warned us not to follow the Jews and the Christians in their abandonment of their own prophetic practices, and to be especially vigilant about this. Lamentably, he also informed us that many Muslims would not heed this advice and would follow their errors anyway. Predetermining our lunar months through calculation is a fulfillment of his prediction:

The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said, “You will follow the [erroneous] ways of those before you hand span by hand span, arm’s breadth-by-arm’s breadth, to such a degree that if they went down a lizard’s hole, you would also go down the hole.” His companions exclaimed in response, “The Jews and the Christians, O Messenger of God?” “If not them, then who?” he replied.

Going from sighting to calculation is like following the Jewish abandonment of their original tradition of having to actually sight the crescent moon with naked-eye observers. The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] also said, according to a sound hadith narrated by Imam al-TirmidhÏ, “What happened to the Children of Israel will also happen to my community, step-by-step….”

No disrespect is intended toward the Jewish or Christian communities, but this matter of strict adherence to our respective prophetic practices is a crucial point of divergence in our three Abrahamic traditions. The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] saw himself as a restorer of the true Abrahamic practices that had fallen into dereliction among the Jews and Christians of his time. Among these practices is following a purely lunar calendar for devotional purposes and the determination of its months by the physical appearance and sighting of the moon.”{pg’s 9, 10 – Cesarean Moon Births; Part 1}

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Also it can be argued, yet unfortunately, that the “majority of the Ummah’s” next generation in about 10 years will not be virgins by the time they get married….or maybe in less than 20 years the “majority of the Ummah” would have at least tried an alcohol drink once in their life – hence will we be changing rules for the actions of these majorities within the Ummah? {God-forbid - and if it does happen, then may Allaah protect us all and our offspring}.

Prof. Qadri here attacks 1400 years of scholarship when he says;

“As far as the real problem is concerned about the moon sighting, there is a big misunderstanding because of lack of knowledge and this Hadith of Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] is wrongly understood – again I say, because of lack of knowledge and it is wrongly interpreted. That’s why some people create some problems within community” [4:06]

Prof. Qadri than reads the few Hadith in Arabic – the ones including the word Ru’ya – ‘Su Moo Li Ru’yati-he waftiru li Ru’yati-he’ ………………..

“I have never seen a single Hadith that the Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] has said these words; Ru’ya bil ain or Ru’ya bil basr” {he says this after telling the audience that he has read over 400,000 Hadith in his life}[6:49]

“Naked eye-sighting, this word has never been used by the Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam]”[7:20]

“Now we have to try to understand what does Ru’ya mean - the problem is that we have very little knowledge and the people who insist on these kind of things {ie. that Ru’ya means eye-sighting}, they neither go into the details of the meanings used, of the words used in Hadith, they don’t want to try and they don’t want to apply principles of the modern world – neither the principles of the modern world or the principles of ancient classical principles in order to understand the meanings of the words.” [7:43]

I learned from multiple scholars that NasirUddin Albani’s claim that he had the authority to rewrite the Sahih ul Bukhari and Muslim because they contained errors within them, over a thousand years after they had been written - and then rename them ‘Sahih, Sahih ul Bukhari’ and ‘Sahih, Sahih ul Muslim’ was laughable and lacked reasoning. Prof. Qadri used the words ‘had very little knowledge’, ‘neither go into details of meanings used in Hadith’, ‘they don’t want to apply the principles’- expressing his views about the individuals who translate the word Ru’ya when it is referred within the sentences pertaining to entering/exiting Ramadhan and entering/exiting lunar months. Regarding these specific Hadiths; every single Muffassir, Muhaddith, or person for that matter - whether Scholar, scientist or astronomer – in over 1400 years has always translated and/or described the word Ru’ya [within these Hadiths] as ‘eye-sighting aka naked eye-sighting’.

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Furthermore in regards to how one should interpret words Shaykh Hamza Yusuf writes;

“Another important axiom is that both the Qur’an and the Sunnah were revealed in Arabic, and any interpretation must be in accordance with the accepted linguistic meaning of those texts that correspond with their use during the period of revelation, between 610 and 632 CE. It is proscribed to interpret the Qur’an in the Arabic of any other period. One may refer to authentic pre-Islamic poetry to determine the meanings of words because linguistic usages of that period were accepted at the time of the Qur’anic revelation. An immense amount of human effort has been exerted in order to preserve the meanings of the Arabic language of the Prophet’s time, and no other religious community on earth has the level of certainty about their sacred scriptures’ historical authenticity and lexical signification that Muslims have, due first to God’s promise of scriptural preservation, and then to efforts of those scholars who codified the Qur’an and preserved the Arabic language in the voluminous lexicons of the first centuries of Islam {Pg. 2, Cesarean Moon Births – Part 1}.
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Prof. Qadri himself after attacking the ones who translate Ru’ya as eye-sighting, appears to flip-flop on the issue himself a few times in the lecture: once at 8:20 by saying “Ru’ya does not necessarily mean eye-sighting”….again at 8:53 he says “the question is what is the meaning of Ru’ya? We unfortunately just understand one meaning; Ru’ya means sighting…this is one meaning”. Earlier it was courageously said that never in 400,000 Hadith did ‘eye-sighting’ come up but then in between the lecture it is acknowledged that one meaning of Ru’ya is ‘eye-sighting’. It would logically than be inappropriate to say Ru’ya bil ain or bil basr when Ru’ya already means ‘eye-sighting’ hence Prof Qadri’s repeated argument at 6:49, 8:20, 8:53, 11:40, 14:05 that the Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] never said the word Ru’ya bi lain or bil basr’ is inaccurate in the sense that 1400 years of Scholars simply agree that the word Ru’ya here includes ‘bil ain and bil basr’.

Prof. Qadri continues drilling the scholars who translate the word Ru’ya as ‘eye-sighting’ even though he had acknowledged that one meaning of Ru’ya is eye-sighting – this is with anger;

“He [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] never said that start your fasting with the eye-sighting, He never said this, He just said Ru’ya” [14:18] and then Prof. Qadri again questions 1400 years of Scholarship by asking “So why Ru’ya is taken as eye-sighting and why this Ru’ya is not taken as scientific calculation. Here he is referring to various references he gives from multiple dictionaries in regards to the different meanings of the word Ru’ya and its derivatives. Regretfully after 15:12, while reading these different meanings Prof. Qadri wrongfully gives the impression that these authors implied that the Hadiths being discussed could have these alternate meanings other than their very first meaning of Ru’ya, eye-sighting. When in reality he was just reading the dictionary, not a commentary on the Hadiths being discussed.

Prof. Qadri illustrated a vision within this lecture that calculations are a new modern phenomenon that surpasses the naked eye-sighting practice. He says at 22:31;

In the days of Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] there was no other way of knowledge. There was no other way or means of gaining the knowledge that the crescent is existent, the birth of the new moon and the crescent except the naked eye-sighting. There was no astronomy, there was no telescope, no other scientific development. So there was no other way except eye-sighting. This way was used in that time. Now many other more direct and durable and correct and accurate ways of knowledge of existence of crescent has been established, by the development of science”

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Shaykh Hamza Yusuf paints a completely opposite picture in this regards;

“Another extremely crucial point that Shaykh Muhammad Shakir made was that people are obliged to fast if they can arrive at the same certainty of, or at “a greater certainty” than an actual sighting. First of all, what can give one “greater certainty” than actually seeing the crescent with one’s own eyes? Perhaps what he meant was that modern science provides greater certainty than our own senses (sometimes true, but a dangerous premise). However, in the case of visibility of the crescent, it is simply not true. Perhaps this conclusion is arrived at based upon a lack of knowledge of modern astronomy. It appears that many modern scholars who have written advocating calculation are under the assumption that astronomers can now predict visibility with one hundred percent accuracy. While that may be true if they use as a criterion a conjunction separation of greater than twenty-four hours somewhere on the earth, it is not the case if it is less than twenty-four hours. It is simply unproven and thus not scientific. Only recently, due to unrelenting yearly inquiries by Muslims, visibility prediction has elicited some scientific interest at the British Greenwich and the U.S. Naval Observatories. In fact, on the U.S. Naval Observatory’s website, the following is written in a section designed for Muslims:

The visibility of the lunar crescent as a function of the Moon’s “age”—the time counted from New Moon—is obviously of great importance to Muslims. The date and time of each New Moon can be computed exactly (see, for example, Phases of the Moon in “Data Services”) but the time that the Moon first becomes visible after the New Moon depends on many factors and cannot be predicted with certainty. In the first two days after New Moon, the young crescent Moon appears very low in the western sky after sunset, and must be viewed through bright twilight. It sets shortly after sunset. The sighting of the lunar crescent within one day of New Moon is usually difficult. The crescent at this time is quite thin, has a low surface brightness, and can easily be lost in the twilight. Generally, the lunar crescent will become visible to suitably-located, experienced observers with good sky conditions about one day after New Moon. However, the time that the crescent actually becomes visible varies quite a bit from one month to another. The record for an early sighting of a lunar crescent, with a telescope, is 12.1 hours after New Moon; for naked-eye sightings, the record is 15.5 hours from New Moon. These are exceptional observations and crescent sightings this early in the lunar month should not be expected as the norm. For Islamic calendar purposes, the sighting must be made with the unaided eye.

Many regard this source as representing the most advanced level of scientific knowledge on our planet, and yet its own scientists admit they cannot predict with any certainty that the crescent will be sighted on the first day of its astronomical birth anywhere on the planet with a naked eye. Most new moons cannot be seen before they are twenty hours old. After countless nights observing and following the crescents month after month, year after year, in the service of Islam, using highly sophisticated instruments to determine exact degrees of elongation based upon countless eyewitness observations, our premodern Muslim astronomers concluded that the crescent moon must be at least twelve degrees above the horizon after sunset, which allows for a setting time on average of almost fifty minutes. This is the visibility criteria that our traditional masters of astronomy provided on accurate visibility arcs produced in the periods of Muslim renaissance.

George Saliba, a leading expert on Islamic astronomy, says, “Although there was a religious prohibition on beginning the lunar month of fasting according to the computed time, a zÏj text [computed astronomical tables] often included tables of lunar visibility to answer that problem specifically.” He also notes that Muslim scholars clearly distinguished betweens astrologers and astronomers and that, after the thirteenth common era century, astronomers held public offices in all of the Muslim states. Their offices determined prayer times, and lunar and solar eclipses, and produced lunar visibility charts that helped people know when the new moon would most likely appear and where best to look for it. Saliba states, “As a consequence, all problems that had any religious bearing were incorporated into mathematical astronomy and treated in those texts irrespective of the religious injunctions.” Thus, scholars of sacred astronomy predicted the birth and probable appearance of the new moons with great precision, regardless of the injunction against using those predictions to start the month. The foremost authority on Islamic science, specifically astronomy, Dr. David King remarks that the Muslim astronomers predetermined lunar visibility by calculating the “difference in setting times over the local horizon. If the latter was forty-eight minutes or more, the crescent would be seen, if it was less, the crescent would not be seen. Using this condition and computing specifically for the latitude of Baghdad, the astronomer al-Khawarizmi, in the early ninth century, compiled a table showing the minimum distances between the sun and moon (measured on the ecliptic) to ensure crescent visibility throughout the year.” David King continues:

During the following centuries Muslim astronomers not only derived far more complicated conditions for the visibility determination but also compiled highly sophisticated tables to facilitate their computations. Some of the leading Muslim astronomers proposed conditions involving three different quantities, such as the apparent angular separation of the sun and moon, the difference in their setting times over the local horizon, and the apparent lunar velocity. Annual ephemerides or almanacs gave information about the possibility of sighting at the beginning of each month. In brief, the achievements of the Muslim astronomers in this area were impressive.

From this, it should be quite clear that the Muslim scholars were not backward or scientifically-challenged, unable to understand that determining probable moon visibility was an exact science, even in their day, as many of them acknowledged. On the contrary, the great ones who wrote on the subject understood both the science of the problem and the entailing juristic considerations far better than any of us writing on the subject today. About that, I have no doubt. They were scholars of the highest caliber, and we do them a great disservice to believe that they did not calculate because “they had not yet distinguished between astronomy and astrology,” or that they were incapable of calculating the moon’s birth with any accuracy.” [Pg’s 10, 11, 12 – Cesarean Moon Births, Part 2]
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Prof. Qadri discusses a Hadith referring to calculations, he says at 30:53;

“Since in the days there were not in use of calculating the things, they were just using the method of eye-sighting and the Holy Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] indicated that, He indicated, He said in Sahih Bukhari, Hadith # 1913 “We are a nation, Arab people are nation, illiterate nation, we can’t neither write not calculate astronomically”. These are the words of Sahih ul Bukhari”


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Shaykh Hamza Yusuf argues this theory and explanation of the Hadith;

“In rejecting calculation, our scholars were not denying the validity of astronomy. They understood it as a decisive and exact science used to predict the positions of the planets, stars, and moon. In fact, many of them were well-versed in astronomy. Imam alQarafi, who was a master of the mathematical and mechanical sciences, built a robot that, according to him, “could do everything but talk.” He unequivocally knew that the position of the moon was known with precision at any given time of the month. He says;

If a Muslim leader believes that the crescent was born based upon calculation, he is not followed, because of the consensus of the early scholars (ijma’ al-salaf) against that position. This is in spite of the fact that ability to calculate crescent moons as well as solar and lunar eclipses is discharged with certitude. Indeed, God has set a standard that the movement of the heavenly bodies and the orbit of the seven [visible] planets is on one system for all time by the determination of the Precious, Omniscient. God has said, “The sun and the moon are on fixed courses” (55:5). In other words, they are calculable and that will never change, ever. This includes the four seasons; they too never change. And anything that is unalterable gives us certain knowledge.”

Ibn al Arabi describes in his autobiography that he had mastered many subjects at an early age:

“By the age of sixteen, I had read from the mathematical sciences, surveying, algebra, inheritance, the books of Euclid as well as what followed of trigonometry, plane and spherical, and I had studied the positions of the planets, sun and moon and how to calculate them, and I had become proficient in the use of an astrolabe.”

Hence, when he says, “I do not deny the foundation of the science of calculation,” he is speaking from theoretical and practical knowledge. Furthermore, the argument that the early community was unlettered, and once Muslims achieved literacy they can abandon the primitive practices of that period, is false and, in my estimation, degrading to that community.

Indeed, Ibn Hajar and others understood the hadith “We are an unlettered community—we neither read nor calculate” to mean something entirely different. They did not interpret the Prophet’s preface as an operative cause but rather as a descriptive statement, an important and necessary distinction in jurisprudence. Ibn Hajar provides the following explanation of the hadith: “Calculate,” here, refers to astronomy and to the orbits of the planets because only a handful of them knew such things at that time. Thus the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] has made the legal obligation of fasting contingent upon actual sighting in order to remove any burdens from his community, i.e., of having to struggle with computations of celestial orbits. This ruling continues even should later people be able to do that. Indeed, the apparent meaning of the hadith rejects any association of calculation with the legal ruling…. Nowhere did he say, “If it is obscured then ask the people of calculation.”

Ibn Hajar recognizes that only a small number of people knew much about astronomy at the time, which is not dissimilar to our current situation, given the vast numbers of illiterate Muslims alive today. But there were, indeed, among the first generation of Muslims some who knew how to calculate astronomical phenomena given that some were capable of producing an intercalated lunisolar calendar. Moreover, Ibn Hajar understood that the ruling was a permanent one and not, as some have said, one that is contingent upon the innumeracy of his community, and thus falsely concluded that if some people learned such things later, they could switch to determining their months by calculation. Even some well-known modern scholars seem to have missed this point. Ahmad Muhammad Shakir, who is used as a proof for calculation today, said;

“The interpretation, “This ruling continues even should later people be able to do that,” is wrong because the command to depend on sighting is explained in the hadith with an unequivocal legal rationale (‘illah mansusah), which is that the community is “unlettered—we neither read nor calculate.” And, it is known that a ratio legis (‘illah) exists alongside the ruling: if the first is present, the second is also present; and if the first is absent, the second is also absent (al-‘illatu taduru ma’a l-ma’luli wujudan wa ‘adaman). Thus, if the community removes itself from the state of innumeracy—that is, among them are those who can read and calculate; and the people are able as a group and individuals to arrive at certainty and a definitive judgment through calculation of the start of the month; and they can be certain of this calculation with the same certainty of actual sighting or of greater certainty; and they have removed the ratio legis of innumeracy—then they are obliged to have recourse to this substantiated certainty. They should then resort to establishing the crescent moons with only calculation and not resort to sighting the moon unless they do not have recourse to such knowledge, such as Bedouin people or villagers, whom sound news has not reached from the scholars of calculation.”

There are several egregious mistakes in the above remarks that might lead people astray. The first mistake is that the shaykh uses one of the most subtle legal principles without any qualification. His statement that legal rationales and the rulings associated with them are inextricably bound and that the latter is contingent upon the former in its application and suspension, while largely an accepted principle, is far from absolute in its application. In fact, the principle’s application is much debated, as shown in its explication here by Sadiq al-Ghiryani:

“If the legal rationale is clearly defined [he means a nass m’aqul] by theLawgiver…, or it is agreed upon by consensus such as the prohibition of wine due to intoxication, and there is nothing in the matter that is devotional (ta’abbudi)[he means ghayr m’aqul], then in such casethe ruling is contingent upon the rationale and is suspended when the rationale is absent and applied when it is present. However, if it is devotional, then should the rationale be removed, the ruling nonetheless remains, as in the case of the Sunnah of jogging during circumambulation of the Ka’bah…[even though its rationale, showing strength in the presence of the idolaters, no longer exists.] If the rationale is textually determinable or agreed upon by consensus, then the suspension of the ruling based upon the absence of the rationale is a point of ijtihad.”

Imam al-Ghazzali and others have also explained that many rulings may have only one apparent ratio legis, but others are hidden from us, and, for that reason, “If the rationales are multiplied, then the ruling is not necessarily suspended, due to an absence of one of the rationales.” If this principle is understood, then what follows should reveal the fallacy in such reasoning. Few scholars understood the remark of the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] to be an ‘illah in the ruling; rather, they understood it to be a description of the nature of his legal system, namely that God does not demand specialized knowledge for anything that He makes binding upon all of His adult servants. Thus, in the hadith, the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] describes his community, essentially explaining that we are an unlettered community by nature, and makes it known to his community that his law is understandable in its general pronouncements to the simplest of people, so anyone can adhere to it. Thus, sighting the moon is an uncomplicated method that God has provided for us to determine our devotional obligations, such as for fasting in Ramadan and performing the hajj in Dhu al- Hijjah. Imam al-Shatibi states the following about this principle in a chapter he entitled, “Principles Based upon the Unlettered Aspects of the Shariah”:

“It is essential that in order to understand the shariah, we must follow the understanding of the Arabs upon whom the revelation descended in their tongue. Hence, since the Arabs used certain words to connote specific things, we cannot abandon their connotations. Furthermore, if [one contends] they had no common usage of certain words, then it would be impermissible to apply a meaning to the words that they did not have….”

The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] did not ask of us computation of the sun and moon’s courses in their respective ecliptics, because this was not common knowledge among the Arabs, nor was it from their sciences, and because of the precision demanded and the difficulties inherent in such a course of action. Rather, he has given us the preponderance of evidence in our rulings for the position of certainty. He has excused the ignorant, removed from them blame, and overlooked our mistakes; and this applies to many other aspects of matters in the [sacred law] in which we all participate. Thus, it is not permitted to abandon what the shariah has prescribed and go beyond this intended purpose; for, indeed, it is a dubious place and a slippery slope.” [Pg’s 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 – Cesarean Moon Births, Part 2]
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Finally Prof. Qadri concludes his arguments at 37:00 by saying:

“The proper answer in only to confirm the existence of the hilal on the horizon after sunset. The moonset should be after sunset. That’s it. No condition of 40 minutes, no of 30 minutes, even if it is just for 5 minutes. If it is established that the moonset took place after sunset, and the moon remained on the horizon even for 5 minutes after sunset took place that would be the crescent, the Ru’ya. You can start your Ramadhaan, you could start your Eid and this would be according to the Quran and Sunnah”

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Interestingly this conclusion is against the Ijma of the Ummah ruling, including the Shia population, as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf quotes the 5 major schools of thought on their ruling;

“While many modern Muslims have abandoned following any particular school of law, the overwhelming majority still do so at least nominally. In the United States, the Hanafi and Ja’fari schools are widespread, with many people adhering to the other canonical schools as well. This section will simply summarize the positions of the five schools of jurisprudence that al-Azhar University recognizes as valid.

In the excellent text, Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence, produced by Kuwait’s Ministry of Religious Affairs, the following opinions are presented:

The relied upon opinion of the Hanafi school is that sighting the moon is a condition for the obligation of Ramadan and no consideration is given to the astronomers even if they were trustworthy. Moreover, whoever relies on their opinion has violated the sacred law (khalafa al shar’)…. Imam Malik prohibited reliance upon calculation in ascertaining the crescent moon’s birth and said, “Any imam who relies on calculation is neither to be imitated nor followed.” Imam al-Baji says, “If anyone did rely on calculation, I opine that he should not consider his fasting sound based upon calculation, and return to sighting or the completion of thirty days. If that results in him having to make up any days, he should….”

As for the Shafi’i scholars, Imam al-Nawawi says, “Fasting is not an obligation unless the month has arrived. Furthermore, its commencement is ascertained through sighting the crescent. If, however, it is clouded over, then people are obliged to complete thirty days of Sha¢b¥n. They should then commence their fast irrespective of whether the next day is clear, or more or less cloudy. Thus, the means by which the month is determined are contained in either sighting or completing thirty days. There is no room for reliance upon calculation….”

The Hanbalis do not depend on astronomical calculation, even if it was repeatedly proven to be accurate.

In fact, this is the agreed upon position of the four schools, as recorded by al-Wazir b. Hubayrah (d. 560 AH) in his book on the consensus of the four Sunni imams: “The four schools agreed that no consideration is given to knowledge of calculation and the lunar phases in order to determine the start of fasting, whether the people had knowledge of such things or did not; Ibn Surayj of the Shafi’i school dissented.”

Commenting on the legal text, Shara’I’ al-Islam, the eleventh-century scholar Sayyid Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Musawi al’Amili explains the dominant position in the Ja’fari school on this matter. He says, “No consideration is given to predetermined schedules [for Ramadan].” His usage of “predetermined schedules” refers to the calculation of the new moon based upon determining the elongation immediately after conjunction. He continues:

Undoubtedly, no consideration should be given to this method due to the multiply-transmitted narrations that establish that the months’ onset is to be determined by one of two methods: either a physical sighting of the crescent (ru’yah), or the completion of thirty days of the previous month. Indeed, had recourse to an astronomer been a proof, the scholars would have guided us to that position…. The astronomers admit that its sighting (ru’yatuh) is only possible [and not certain], whereas the Lawgiver has made the rulings [that relate to fasting] contingent upon the actual sighting, and not the aforementioned arc of visibility].

The shaykh goes on to remark that while there is a weak opinion that calculation may be used if the crescent is obscured, it is negligible.

I think we can conclude from the above two sections that each of the schools, with the exception of the Hanbali school, have weak positions supporting calculation, but none allow calculation in lieu of actual sighting; all of them stipulate that one can resort to calculation only if, on the thirtieth night, there is a cloud-cover that prevents seeing the crescent and astronomers have indicated that the moon would be visible. It was also shown that they stipulated that the arc of elongation after sunset must be at least twelve degrees, and that would mean at least forty-eight minutes would have passed before the crescent set. [Pg’s 12, 13, 14,- Cesarean Moon Births, Part 2]
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I have left out the footmarks when quoting ‘Cesarean Moon Births’ above – please refer to the pages quoted for complete references
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As for brother Revival-of-Islam:

I reiterate - Perhaps a scholarly look at this topic may help one understand the discussion. Every single argument presented by Prof. Qadri in the link you provided, whether his lecture/video or the Urdu article written below, is intellectually proved to be baseless according to the overwhelming majority of Traditional Islamic Scholars of the past – their view is presented by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf in his work ‘Cesarean Moon Births’.

'Cesarean Moon Births' - Part 1
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_1.pdf

'Cesarean Moon Births' - Part 2
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_2.pdf
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:51 PM (#10) User is offline   gujjubond 

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Dr Qadri is not denying 1400 years old tradition. He is just trying to solve the problem of multiple eids. Since world has become global village, it's a joke that one community with one faith celebrate their festival on different day in same city. Specially in western world where moon sighting is always an issue. since we r leaving in very sever firqaparastis edge where we blanket every other mindset ideology as a gumrah and batil except us, it's wisdom to adopt scientific approach which is based on 2+2= 4, where our ego based firqawaryyat also has to bow down.

Shaykh hamza yusuf is great scholar. I love him. I have listened his hundreds of lectures, khutBat and dars. He is absolutely right with his view by tradition of keeping eye sight alive. But tell me honestly, will this solve the problem of multiple eids. Can you plan wedding a year in advance based on eye sight moon calendar in this fast Forwarding age?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:35 AM (#11) User is offline   hidayah227 

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http://www.religious...g/isl_rama1.htm
During 2006-JUN, the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) held a meeting of Muslim jurists, Imams, astronomers and other believers to discuss whether to use astronomical calculations in the place of visual sightings. They determined that:

Sighting the Hilai (the crescent moon) is not an act of 'ibadah (worship).
Muhammad used ru'yah (sighting of the crescent moon) because most Muslims at the time lacked the knowledge to calculate the timing of the new moon
Originally, many Muslim jurists refused to accept astronomical calculations because "astronomy and astrology were not quite distinct sciences." They suspected that the predictions might have been based partly on magic and conjectures.
During the 20th century, an increasing number of Muslim jurists have accepted astronomical calculations.
Calculations are a reliable and accurate method of determining the dates of Ramadan and the two Eids.

Adopting this method would:
Eliminate the problem of erroneous sightings of the crescent moon.
Allow the dates to be determined far in advance;
Simplify planning of events;
Facilitate having Islamic holydays recognized;
Encourage development of a world-wide Islamic calendar for all Muslims; and
Improve the unity of Muslims worldwide.

The Astronomical Calculations: A Valid Method of Ramadan Affirmation AUTHOR: Dr. Zulfiqar Ali Shah
People have landed upon the Moon and Muslims are still fighting about the moon sighting. Islamic Shari’ah is not static. It responds to people of all times and differing circumstances. Actual moon sighting is a mean to determine Ramadan and not an objective in itself. Islam requires certainty regarding the sacred timings. During Prophetic era this certainty was achieved either through physical moon sighting or through estimation or completion of thirty days. Currently the astronomical calculations about the birth of new moon are so accurate that astronomers can determine moon birth dates years in advance. The Qur’an in Surah Yunus authenticates calendar based upon such precise astronomical calculations. “It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light, and measured out stages for it (moon); that you might know the number of years and the calculations. (10:5) There is absolutely nothing in the Qur’an which categorically mandates actual moon sighting for confirmation or negation of Ramadan. The Qura’nic exegetes universally agree that the verse of Surah al-Baqarah (2:185) “So whosoever witnesses the month among you should fast in it” does not require physical moon sighting but mandates residential presence and knowledge of Ramadan as the legal cause of fasting. The original linguistic meanings of the word hilal revolve around announcement with loud voice, cry of joy and sharing news publicly by raising voices. The new moon was metaphorically called al-hilal because the Arabs at its first sight used to express joy and publicly announce coming of the new month. Therefore, there is absolutely nothing in the Qur’an that requires actual moon sighting as the only means of determining Ramadan. The supposed Prophetic supplications (Dua’s) at first glance of the new moon are based upon weak Ahadith. Moreover these supplications can be recited at any time the person sees the new moon first time.
http://www.fiqhcouncil.org/node/22

The different opinions of great scholars and their analytical arguments are ... a great blessing and mercy from Allah (the Most High)
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:15 AM (#12) User is offline   usmanali2528 

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The FCNA indeed did announce this decision in 2006 along with literature arguing their position but Shaykh Hamza Yusuf wrote a response to their arguments. He implys in his response that this ruling is not considered “a difference of opinion amongst great scholars” rather it goes against the criteria set for being a discussion of ‘difference of opinion amongst great scholars…..hence it is not reflecting the Lords Mercy’:

“ There are four agreed upon sources of legislation:

1)The Qur’an, first and foremost, 2) the Sunnah, which comprises the words, deeds, and acknowledgments of the Prophet Muhammad [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam], as transmitted through reliable sources, 3) the consensus of the Muslim scholars (ijma’), and, finally, 4) analogical reasoning (qiyas) that is used as a last resort in the absence of definitive proofs. However, of these four, the two sources agreed upon for use as single sources are the Book of God and the Sunnah of the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam]. The Prophet s stated, “I have left you two things; as long as you hold to them, you will never stray: the Book of God and my Sunnah.”

In another hadith, the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said to Mu’adh before sending him to Yemen to act as a judge, “What will you base your judgments on?” Mu’adh replied, “The Book of God.” The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] then asked, “And should it not be in the Book of God?” “Then the Sunnah of the Prophet,” replied Mu’adh. “And should you not find it in the Sunnah?” asked the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam]. “Then I will exert my efforts completely and not falter.” To this, the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] responded, “Praise is due to God, who has given the messenger of the Messenger of God success.”

This hadith elucidates the methodology to be followed by any scholar attempting to understand an issue involving a legal ruling in the sacred law of Islam: first, the scholar looks to the Qur’an, then to the Sunnah, and then to the consensus of the previous scholars, and then, finally, he resorts to independent reasoning (ijtihad). However, ijtihad is permissible only when there is no decisive and unequivocal text (nass) found in the Qur’an or the Sunnah; this is based upon the juristic principle, “There can be no ijtihad in light of an explicit text.”” [Pg. 2 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 1]
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“Sighting the Hilai (the crescent moon) is not an act of 'ibadah (worship).”

Rather Shaykh Hamza quotes a hadith indicating the very opposite;

“It is indeed an act of worship, as the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] has clearly said, “The best of God’s servants are those who monitor the sun, crescents, and stars as a way of remembering God.” [The hadith is related in Imam al-Hakim’s Mustradrik and is sound. As quoted in Imam Ahmad al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, ‘Ilm al-Nujum (n.p.: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyyah, n.d.), 22-23] [Pg. 16 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 2]
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“Originally, many Muslim jurists refused to accept astronomical calculations because "astronomy and astrology were not quite distinct sciences." They suspected that the predictions might have been based partly on magic and conjectures.”

Again Shaykh Hamza argues against this irrational claim;

“George Saliba, a leading expert on Islamic astronomy, says, “Although there was a religious prohibition on beginning the lunar month of fasting according to the computed time, a zÏj text [computed astronomical tables] often included tables of lunar visibility to answer that problem specifically.” He also notes that Muslim scholars clearly distinguished betweens astrologers and astronomers and that, after the thirteenth common era century, astronomers held public offices in all of the Muslim states. [/u][An important note here that some have ignored entirely in their attempt to argue that the main reason scholars rejected calculation was that astrologers were the people who calculated. That is false. Many Muslim astronomers were completely opposed to astrology and considered it prohibited by sacred law. Having said that, we must note that every astrologer was an astronomer but not every astronomer was an astrologer. Astrologers, even today, are dependent upon accurate charts of planet, sun, and moon positionings in order to practice their craft. Isaac Newton, a redoubtable astronomer, was also an astrologer, as were Copernicus and Brahe!] Their offices determined prayer times, and lunar and solar eclipses, and produced lunar visibility charts that helped people know when the new moon would most likely appear and where best to look for it. Saliba states, “As a consequence, all problems that had any religious bearing were incorporated into mathematical astronomy and treated in those texts irrespective of the religious injunctions.” Thus, scholars of sacred astronomy predicted the birth and probable appearance of the new moons with great precision, regardless of the injunction against using those predictions to start the month. The foremost authority on Islamic science, specifically astronomy, Dr. David King remarks that the Muslim astronomers predetermined lunar visibility by calculating the “difference in setting times over the local horizon. If the latter was forty-eight minutes or more, the crescent would be seen, if it was less, the crescent would not be seen. Using this condition and computing specifically for the latitude of Baghdad, the astronomer al-Khawarizmi, in the early ninth century, compiled a table showing the minimum distances between the sun and moon (measured on the ecliptic) to ensure crescent visibility throughout the year.” David King continues:
“During the following centuries Muslim astronomers not only derived far more complicated conditions for the visibility determination but also compiled highly sophisticated tables to facilitate their computations. Some of the leading Muslim astronomers proposed conditions involving three different quantities, such as the apparent angular separation of the sun and moon, the difference in their setting times over the local horizon, and the apparent lunar velocity. Annual ephemerides or almanacs gave information about the possibility of sighting at the beginning of each month. In brief, the achievements of the Muslim astronomers in this area were impressive.”

From this, it should be quite clear that the Muslim scholars were not backward or scientifically-challenged, unable to understand that determining probable moon visibility was an exact science, even in their day, as many of them acknowledged. On the contrary, the great ones who wrote on the subject understood both the science of the problem and the entailing juristic considerations far better than any of us writing on the subject today. About that, I have no doubt. They were scholars of the highest caliber, and we do them a great disservice to believe that they did not calculate because “they had not yet distinguished between astronomy and astrology,” or that they were incapable of calculating the moon’s birth with any accuracy.” [Pgs. 11, 12 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 2]
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“During the 20th century, an increasing number of Muslim jurists have accepted astronomical calculations.”

Unfortunately the many, not all-but many, who did accept this in the 20th century also considered non-zabiha meat to be halal as well.
“Another important sign of the latter days is the general confusion that occurs in both religious and worldly matters. The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said, “In the latter days, people of composure will become bewildered and confused.” Unfortunately, concerning this specific issue, due to a lack of adherence to the two things the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] left for us—the Book (which states, “Whoever witnesses the month let him fast”) and the Sunnah, (which states, “Do not fast until you see it, and do not break your fast until you see it”)—have been abandoned, and thus more confusion is added to the already existing confusion.” [Pg. 15 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 2]
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“Eliminate the problem of erroneous sightings of the crescent moon.”

“Another extremely crucial point that Shaykh Muhammad Shakir made was that people are obliged to fast if they can arrive at the same certainty of, or at “a greater certainty” than an actual sighting. First of all, what can give one “greater certainty” than actually seeing the crescent with one’s own eyes? Perhaps what he meant was that modern science provides greater certainty than our own senses (sometimes true, but a dangerous premise). However, in the case of visibility of the crescent, it is simply not true. Perhaps this conclusion is arrived at based upon a lack of knowledge of modern astronomy. It appears that many modern scholars who have written advocating calculation are under the assumption that astronomers can now predict visibility with one hundred percent accuracy. While that may be true if they use as a criterion a conjunction separation of greater than twenty-four hours somewhere on the earth, it is not the case if it is less than twenty-four hours. It is simply unproven and thus not scientific. Only recently, due to unrelenting yearly inquiries by Muslims, visibility prediction has elicited some scientific interest at the British Greenwich and the U.S. Naval Observatories. In fact, on the U.S. Naval Observatory’s website, the following is written in a section designed for Muslims:

“The visibility of the lunar crescent as a function of the Moon’s “age”—the time counted from New Moon—is obviously of great importance to Muslims. The date and time of each New Moon can be computed exactly (see, for example, Phases of the Moon in “Data Services”) but the time that the Moon first becomes visible after the New Moon depends on many factors and cannot be predicted with certainty. In the first two days after New Moon, the young crescent Moon appears very low in the western sky after sunset, and must be viewed through bright twilight. It sets shortly after sunset. The sighting of the lunar crescent within one day of New Moon is usually difficult. The crescent at this time is quite thin, has a low surface brightness, and can easily be lost in the twilight. Generally, the lunar crescent will become visible to suitably located, experienced observers with good sky conditions about one day after New Moon. However, the time that the crescent actually becomes visible varies quite a bit from one month to another. The record for an early sighting of a lunar crescent, with a telescope, is 12.1 hours after New Moon; for naked-eye sightings, the record is 15.5 hours from New Moon. These are exceptional observations and crescent sightings this early in the lunar month should not be expected as the norm. For Islamic calendar purposes, the sighting must be made with the unaided eye.” [Pg. 10 - ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 2]

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“The original linguistic meanings of the word hilal revolve around announcement with loud voice, cry of joy and sharing news publicly by raising voices. The new moon was metaphorically called al-hilal because the Arabs at its first sight used to express joy and publicly announce coming of the new month. Therefore, there is absolutely nothing in the Qur’an that requires actual moon sighting as the only means of determining Ramadan.”

“In determining the crescent moon, an important question arises: what exactly does “crescent” (hilal) mean in the classical Arabic language? Furthermore, does our modern understanding of this word differ from the Arab understanding of the seventh century? The earliest and one of the most authoritative lexicons in the Islamic tradition is that of the linguist, al-Khalil b. Ahmad, of Oman. His book, al-‘Ayn, is the first scientific lexicon in human history. In it, he defines the word “crescent” (hilal) as, “The first light of the moon, when people actually see the crescent at the outset of a month…. It is said, ‘The crescent was seen’ (uhilla l-hilal) and not ‘The crescent appeared’ (halla l-hilal).” While other philologists permitted the use of the active halla to mean it appeared, he considered the passive use of the verb to be correct. In both cases, humans are necessary to confirm the crescent moon; i.e., “It appeared” (halla) or “It was seen” (uhilla) both entail witnessing, which means its birth is not an active event but involves, in this case, witnessing. “The moon was born” (uhilla) literally means, “It was seen.”

The exegete and linguist, Raghib al-Isbahana, explains:

“Crescent” (hilal) denotes, “the moon specifically on the first and second night”; after that, it is simply called “moon” (qamar)…. “The crescent was born” (ahalla al-hilal) means, “It was seen” (ru’iya)…. “Birth” (ihlal) can also refer to the cry one makes upon sighting the crescent, which was later used metaphorically to refer to a baby’s cry upon being born (ihlal al-saby).”

In his Lisan al-‘Arab, Ibn Manzur says that the hilal got its name from the cry of joy that those who saw it uttered upon seeing it. Furthermore, he says that the phrase, “the crescent was born” (halla l-hilal) means “it appeared” (•ahara). He also states that the crescent is “the new moon when people see it” (yuhilluhu n-nas)…. According to him, “ahalla r-rajul” means “He looked at the new moon.” One of the great Turkish exegetes, Imam al-Brusuwi, says: “Hilal (crescent) is the initial light of the moon that appears to you up until three days.”

Clearly, according to the above evidence, the crescent moon is something that is seen. It is a physical phenomenon that upon seeing it people tend “to cry for joy,” which is another accepted meaning of ahalla/yuhillu. Indeed, according to Noah Webster, whose landmark dictionary of 1828 set a new standard for American scholarship and is the eponym for all Webster dictionaries, the English word “hallelujah” comes from the Hebrew meaning “to praise God” and the Arabic, halla, which means “to appear; to begin to shine, as the new moon; to exclaim; to exult; to sing; to rejoice; to praise or worship God.” Webster also surmises that it is related to the English word “howl.” Of note, is our idiom, “howling at the moon”!” [Pgs.12, 13 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 1]

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“The Qura’nic exegetes universally agree that the verse of Surah al-Baqarah (2:185) “So whosoever witnesses the month among you should fast in it” does not require physical moon sighting but mandates residential presence and knowledge of Ramadan as the legal cause of fasting.”

“If we understand these foundational principles, we can now look profitably at the differences that arose about how we determine the onset of the two months of Ramadan and Dhu al-Hijjah, in particular, and the other lunar months in general. The Qur’an says, “They ask you about the crescent moons; say they are a means to measure your specific times and are also for the commencement of the hajj” (2:189). This text is both decisive in its authenticity, because the entire Qur’an is decisively authentic (qat’i al-wurud), and it is decisive in its meaning, because there is no ambiguity about what crescents (ahillah) mean in the Arabic language, and what the means to measure specific times (mawaqit) denote; hence, ijtihad is not an option.

The Qur’an commands us to use the crescent moons as a means for determining our lunar months and our sacred obligations of fasting in Ramadan and performing hajj in Dhu al-Hijjah. An important point to note about this verse is that it specifies hajj and leaves Ramadan to be understood in the general meaning of the verse. According to the great commentators, hajj was mentioned in preparation for the final prohibition on determining the hajj based upon intercalation and not sighting, as the pre-Islamic Arabs sometimes predetermined hajj, so they did not need to look for the moon during the hajj season. The magisterial Spanish exegete, Imam al-Qurtubi comments:

“Hajj is specifically mentioned in this verse [as opposed to Ramadan] because it is among the devotional months; the knowledge of its commencement is essential, and [determining it using] intercalation is not permissible, as doing so displaces it from its proper time. This is in opposition to what the Arabs considered acceptable at the time, as their practice was to perform hajj based upon calculation (‘adad) and alteration of the months. Thus, God nullified their words and deeds.”

Another verse commands Muslims to fast for the month of Ramadan, unambiguously the lunar month known to the Arabs at that time. The verse says, “The month of Ramadan is the one in which the Qur’an was revealed as a guidance for humanity and clarifications of that guidance and a standard. So whoever witnesses (shahida) the month among you, let him fast” (2:185). Qadi Abu Bakr b. al-‘Arabi comments on this verse:

“Month” here actually refers to the crescent moon of the month and was called “the month” (al shahr) due to everyone knowing of its arrival (lishuhratih). Hence, God has obliged us to fast upon the sighting of the crescent moon (‘inda ru’yatih). The Prophet’s [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] words [also add clarity]: “Fast upon sighting the crescent moon, and end the fast upon its sighting. And should it be obscured, then complete thirty days of Sha’ban.” Thus, he obliged us to complete thirty days of Sha’ban should the crescent moon be hidden, and thirty days of Ramadan should Shawwal’s crescent be hidden. This is in order that we enter our [time-dependent] acts of worship with certainty and end them with certainty. Another hadith is even more elucidating: “Do not fast until you see the crescent moon, and do not break the fast until you see it.” [This hadith is agreed upon by Imam al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim. In fact, the hadith, “Fast upon sighting it, and break the fast upon sighting it, and should it be obscured, then complete thirty days of Sha’ban,” is considered multiply transmitted and has the authority of any verse in the Qur’an by consensus.] Imam al-Tirmidhi relates on Abu Hurayrah’s authority that the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said, “Note the day that the crescent moon of Sha’ban [appears] in order to determine Ramadan’s crescent.” The next point is God’s word in the verse, “So whoever witnesses the month, let him fast” (2:185). This is normally understood to mean, “see it with one’s eyes”—in other words, sighting the crescent moon. This is reiterated in the Prophet’s [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] words, “Fast upon seeing it, and break the fast upon seeing it.” However, some of the early scholars stumbled on this issue and claimed that one can depend upon calculation to determine the moon’s phases, as calculations could determine if the moon would indeed be seen if the sky were clear; they based this claim upon the Prophet’s [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] statement, “And if the crescent moon is obscured, then determine it (faqduru lah). But the actual meaning among the scholars of consummate expertise is “complete its number.” This is why the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said in [another narration], “complete the number of days of Sha’ban, thirty days.” Furthermore, in yet another narration, he said, regarding the new crescent moon of the month after Ramadan, “If it be obscured, then complete a fast of thirty, and then break your fast”; this is related by al Bukhari and Muslim. Some slipped further by claiming that Imam al-Shafi’i said one could depend upon calculating, and this is a fall one cannot arise from.”

The Spanish master of the sciences of Islam, Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr, says this about the same verse:

“God says, “Whoever witnesses the month, let him fast” (2:185). He means, and God knows best, “Whoever among you knows, with a knowledge that is certain, that the month has indeed begun must fast it.” And knowledge that is certain is [based on] either a clear and widespread sound sighting or the completion of thirty days of the previous month. The shariah also allows the testimony of two just witnesses who saw the moon on the thirtieth night [of Sha’ban]. That is also sound, and therefore the previous month was of twenty-nine days. Some consider this sound only if the sky was clear and [the crescent not sighted], which is the meaning of “if not, then determine it (faqduru lah)” among the majority of scholars….According to Ibn Sirin, some of the great scholars among the second generation (tabi’in) understood it to imply a consideration of astronomy, the mansions of the moon phases, and mathematical calculation. Ibn Sirin said about this position, “It would have been better had they not done so.” It is believed he was referring to Mutarrif b. ‘Abd Allah b. al-Shikhir, and God knows best. Mutarrif was among the great pious and patient second generation scholars of Basra. Ibn Surayj also relates that Imam al-Shafi’I said, “Whoever is schooled in the ability to determine the course of the stars and the mansions and phases of the moon, and it is clear to him from his knowledge that the crescent moon will appear on a given night, but then, it is obscured by clouds, then, in that case, it is permissible for him to consider it time to fast and sleep with the intention [of fasting the next day], and he will be rewarded.” However, what we have found authenticated in his own books is that he considered the month of Ramadan to be valid only by a widespread sighting or sound testimony or completion of thirty days of Sha’ban…. This is in fact the school of all of the scholars of the Hijaz, Iraq, Greater Syria, and the West. Among those who confer are Malik, al-Shafi’i, al-Awza’i, Abu Hanifah and his students, and all of the people of hadith, except for Ahmad b. Hanbal and those who conferred with him.” [Ahmad b. Hanbal’s position is that of Ibn ‘Umar. Neither permitted calculating with mathematics but understood the Day of Doubt, on which the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] prohibited fasting, to be the 30th day of Sha’ban, if the previous night was clear. If it was cloudy, however, Ibn ‘Umar and later Imam Ahmad understood the command, “faqduru lah” to mean, “consider it a month of twenty-nine days, and fast the following as a precaution. Ibn ‘Umar would sometimes end up fasting thirty-one days of Ramadan. Only a handful of scholars interpreted it this way. The majority considered it prohibited to fast on the Day of Doubt, based upon the hadith, “Whoever fasts on the Day of Doubt has disobeyed Abu al-Qasim, Muhammad [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam].” It is clear that none of these men understood the opinion that allowed calculation to mean bypassing the actual sighting; rather, they understood calculation to be permissible only if the visibility factor was obscured by atmospheric conditions.

Another important reason for rejecting the interpretation of the hadith, “and if it is obscured then calculate it” to mean use of scientific measurements is that the other narration, “and if it [the new moon of Ramadan] is obscured, then complete thirty days of Sha’ban.” In usul, this is known as mubayyin (clarifying), and the former is called mujmal (ambiguous). It is a well known usuli principle that if a hadith has one narration that is equivocal and another that is unequivocal, and both are of equal authenticity, then the unequivocal is the one used for legislative purposes. Ibn Rushd clarifies this matter:

“The difference of opinion about [the commencement of Ramadan] results from the ambiguity in the hadith, “Fast based upon its sighting and break your fast based upon it, and should it be obscured, then calculate it.” But the majority of scholars took the other narration, which states, “Complete the number of thirty days.” Some of them said the measurement (taqdir) mentioned in the first hadith means the new month should be determined with the use of calculation, and others said it simply means that you should fast the next day, irrespective of what your calculations may lead you to conclude. The latter is the way of Ibn ‘Umar. But the majority went with the authentic narration of Ibn ‘Abbas, which states that the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said, “And if it [the new moon of Ramadan] should be obscured, then complete the thirty days of Sha’ban.” And, since the former is ambiguous (mujmal) and the latter clarifying (mubayyin), then it is an obligation (wajib) to interpret the ambiguous one in accordance with the one that clarifies. Furthermore, this methodology is one in which there is no difference of opinion among the scholars, especially given that the two narrations do not involve contradiction. Hence, the way in which the majority [of scholars] have understood it is the correct one. And God knows best.”

About this point, Qadi Abu Bakr b. al-‘Arabi, says this in his commentary on the Muwatta’:

“God has obliged us to fast based upon the sighting of the crescent moon and added to that an injunction to note the commencement of Shawwal’s crescent. Also, here is an interesting juristic point: some of the scholars of the second generation said that if the crescent moon is obscured, one may use calculation. Thus, if an astronomer says, “Tonight, based upon the crescent’s angle of elongation, it is normally possible to sight the crescent had it not been for atmospheric conditions,” we can act according to his statement in our fasting and breaking of our fast based upon the Prophet’s [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] statement, “determine it.” In other words, they argue that he meant, “Calculate the position of the moon” based upon God’s word, ‘We have fixed exactly the moon’s phases’ (36:39)….”

What a calamitous mistake they have made! I am not, of course, denying the foundation of the science of calculation nor of the discernible patterns of the mansions and moon phases. However, it is not possible that use of scientific calculations was intended in the meaning of the hadith for two reasons: Firstly, Imam Malik discerned a principle in hadith interpretation which became a basis for those who came after him. Malik said that the first hadith is equivocal, but the ambiguity in it was clarified in the second hadith, in which the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] said, “Complete the number thirty.” In other words, the second hadith clarifies what the first meant. As for the second reason, it is not permissible to rely on astronomers and mathematicians, not because their findings are not true but because people’s beliefs must be protected from an association with celestial motions and future occurrences of conjunctions and separations. Indeed, that is a vast ocean should people be pulled into it. Moreover, there is a position, stated by people of understanding among the scholars of the second generation, that in the [specific hadith in which the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] showed the number of days of Ramadan using his fingers], the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] actually negated the use of the common numerals that mathematicians use. Therefore, it is even more likely that he would negate the use of celestial bodies and their orbits.”What I find profoundly interesting is Qadi Abu Bakr’s point that the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] could very well have used the words “twenty-nine and thirty” when indicating the number of days possible in a lunar month. Had he done so, those he was speaking to would have understood him, as he was wont to state numbers on many other occasions as reported in sound hadith; he used high numbers, such as one million (alfu alf); he also used twenty-seven, twenty-five, and five; and he used the number ninety-nine in the sound hadith, “God has ninety-nine Names, one hundred less one; whoever enumerates them will enter Paradise.” However, he chose not to state any numbers when showing the number of days in a lunar month, as if to deter people from thinking about enumeration specifically when it comes to determining the lunar months. Hence, instead of saying the words “twenty-nine and thirty,” the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] actually used his blessed hands, showing with his fingers how many days are possible in the month, as if to emphasize using the most basic and fundamental human ability of sight. It is as though he were saying, “Look, see, perceive with your eyes the month, even upon my hands.” This insistence upon sighting the moon illustrates so well “the sense in Islam that it is the immediate surrounding conditions, rather than any theoretical ones, that reflect the Divine will of God in its relation to men, and that it is these which should determine the sacred acts.”” [Pgs.14, 15, 16, 17, 18 – ‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 1]

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Brother gujjubond;
“But tell me honestly, will this solve the problem of multiple eids?”

“God has hidden from us the power to predict the actual appearance of the crescent moon on the first day. Even modern scientists admit this. Yet, we wish to fit God’s plans into our plans instead of fitting our plans into God’s plans. Convenience store Islam is the Islam of the day, where we can buy a pre-packaged Islam that fits into our busy schedules. But Ramadan is God’s month; it is a time of slowing down and reflecting, of looking at our lives and questioning ourselves, “Are we in harmony with God’s creation. Are we bypassing signs right before our eyes?” God has veiled Ramadan’s greatest night from us, and if He chooses to ask us to inconvenience ourselves just a little bit for His sake to seek out Ramadan’s onset, then praise be to God. I find it altogether odd that a month that is meant to teach us patience and is called “the month of patience,” is no longer patiently waited for by eager Muslims to see what God has in store for them tonight or perhaps tomorrow night. I believe sighting the moon is an intended purpose of Ramadan. It is indeed an act of worship, as the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] has clearly said, “The best of God’s servants are those who monitor the sun, crescents, and stars as a way of remembering God.” Every morning before dawn, the Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] would awaken, go out into the late night air, and look up in the heavens and recite the final verses of Al ‘Imran: “Surely in the creation and the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for people….” The signs are indeed clear for those who reflect……

Ibn Taymiyyah wrote hundreds of years ago;

It is impossible to determine, by means of mathematics, the exact time the crescent moon appears. For even though the astronomers may know that the light emanating from the moon is a reflection of the sun, and that when the two bodies meet in the conjunction, the light of the moon disappears, and when it separates from the sun, it regains its light, yet the best they can do is to determine exactly, through calculation, the distance between the moon and sun when the latter sets…. If we did assume that they managed to determine the moon’s position at sunset, this would not prove that the crescent had actually been sighted. Visibility is a sensory matter and is affected by several factors, such as the clarity or density of the atmosphere, the high or low position of the celestial body, and finally, the strength or weakness of one’s eyesight…. When they realized that the shariah commands the sighting of the crescent moon, they desired to determine it by means of mathematics, and thus they went astray and led others astray. Those who argue that the crescent cannot be seen at twelve or ten degrees, etc., have erred, for one person can sight it at the smaller number of degrees while another cannot at the same degree. They have resorted neither to reason nor to revelation, and because of this, the eminent scholars in their field have rejected their views.”

What Imam Ibn Taymiyyah said is as valid today as it was when he wrote it. Several hundred years ago, a scholar in Libya was put to death because he refused to start Ramadan with the Fatimid ruler’s decree of calculation. He spoke out against the innovation and lost his life for obeying God and disobeying man. Thank God we live in a time and place in which we can freely dissent if our conscience tells us we must. May that imam’s life not be in vain. [u]Our Prophet [Sal Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] did not leave us without guidance, nor did our scholars leave us without elucidation of that guidance for they are the “inheritors of the prophets [Alayhimus’Salaatu ws’Salaam].”
In these latter days, the Sunnah is disappearing from the face of the earth. The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] came to teach the simple and sophisticated, the meek and the mighty, and he gave each his dignity and his place. In following his example, we follow the best in ourselves, and in leaving his guidance, we open ourselves to great calamities and tribulations. Allah, the Exalted, said, “So let those who oppose his command beware lest a trial befall them or a painful chastisement” (24:63). The Prophet [Sal-Lal-Laahu Ta’aalaa Alayhe wa Aalihe wa Sal’lam] has commanded us in a hadith that is of no less authority than the Qur’an itself: “Fast upon seeing the crescent, and break your fast upon seeing it; and if it be obscured, then calculate it.” The meaning is clear, as has been clarified by the illustrious imams quoted in this paper. They are my proof; after God and then His messenger, I have no others. What is left is to follow their guidance. And may God give us the success to do so. And Allah knows best.” [pgs. 16, 17 –‘Cesarean Moon Births’, Part 2]

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
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I have left out the footmarks when quoting ‘Cesarean Moon Births’ above – please refer to the pages quoted for complete references
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'Cesarean Moon Births' Part 1
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_1.pdf

'Cesarean Moon Births' Part 2
http://www.masud.co....Births_Pt_2.pdf

ps. don't know what I pressed but I did not mean to 'underline' the entire text - even though I feel that it should be read, both arguments.....
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Astronomical Calculation Supported By the Qur'an? - By Jamal Badawi


I really admire the attitude and approach of Dr Jamal Badawi in this subject. And Subhan'allah ..this is what we all need to learn.
Allow me to quote:

In the video below he says "both arguments are correct we can not say they are wrong."

He says "Muslims should not be divided when it comes to Ramadan and Eid.",

He said "some people do not have the openness that the Prophet PBUH had and do not have the respect of different of opinions amongst the scholars like Imam Shafi (RA) Following the path of the Prophet PBUH."

" That scholars say it is better to follow an opinion that you think is less accurate but will unite the Muslims than to pushing on what you think is the only correct one and divide the Muslims because the division of Muslims is a major sin."

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I am amongst the opinions of having a (GIC)Global Islam calendar
http://mohdashraf.hu...Ramadan-and-Eid


The FCNA announce this decision in 2006 after a meeting with a group of Ulema and Islamic jurists from the muslim world. The decision was not entirely based upon what the organization itself thought to be right.

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View Posthidayah227, on 26 July 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

I am amongst the opinions of having a (GIC)Global Islam calendar
http://mohdashraf.hu...Ramadan-and-Eid


The FCNA announce this decision in 2006 after a meeting with a group of Ulema and Islamic jurists from the muslim world. The decision was not entirely based upon what the organization itself thought to be right.



I have added an article that I wrote to exposed the fallacies of calculation. Please visit the article section


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View Postusmanali2528, on 22 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

As'salaamu Alaykum -

I felt that the argument presented here in this lecture lacked reasoning - The interpretation Prof. Qadri gives of the various words used in the few Blessed Hadith mentioned differs from the hundreds, if not thousands, of learned men who interpreted the words before him.

It makes you think - then why were we even directed to recite this prayer when seeing a new moon? - "O Allaah, let this moon (month) pass over us with blessings, Iman, safety, and in the belief of Islam. Grant us the ability to act on the actions that You love and Pleases You. (O moon) My Lord and Your Lord is Allaah".

Sad times -


"Moon Sighting Solution for Islamic World"



Very few people understand the astronomical complexity of the moon sighting. The scientific reality is that each lunar month is 29 days on some portion of the earth and 30 days on some portion of the earth and these regions keep on changing every month. Month is never of the same number of days for the entire globe (earth). Any global moonsighting declaration which forces the same number of days for any month for the entire earth violates Allah's natural order of sacred months and tempers with the Abadah of Muslims. I have discussed the scientific aspects in layman terms in an article and Dr. Qadri should try to understand them before commenting on the issue any further. The article can be obtained by sending me an e-mail shaheen@phy.fsu.edu
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View Postusmanali2528, on 22 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

As'salaamu Alaykum -

I felt that the argument presented here in this lecture lacked reasoning - The interpretation Prof. Qadri gives of the various words used in the few Blessed Hadith mentioned differs from the hundreds, if not thousands, of learned men who interpreted the words before him.

It makes you think - then why were we even directed to recite this prayer when seeing a new moon? - "O Allaah, let this moon (month) pass over us with blessings, Iman, safety, and in the belief of Islam. Grant us the ability to act on the actions that You love and Pleases You. (O moon) My Lord and Your Lord is Allaah".

Sad times -


"Moon Sighting Solution for Islamic World"



Very few people understand the astronomical complexity of the moon sighting. The scientific reality is that each lunar month is 29 days on some portion of the earth and 30 days on some portion of the earth and these regions keep on changing every month. Month is never of the same number of days for the entire globe (earth). Any global moonsighting declaration which forces the same number of days for any month for the entire earth violates Allah's natural order of sacred months and tempers with the Abadah of Muslims. I have discussed the scientific aspects in layman terms in an article and Dr. Qadri should try to understand them before commenting on the issue any further. The article can be obtained by sending me an e-mail shaheen@phy.fsu.edu
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