[irfanrazakhan]

HELLO Faiza please COME BACK,

And provide some proof of what you say because what you have said is utter mumbo jumbo!! show me that you qadianis/ahmadis do not have enstilled in yourself lies? or are you just plain liars?

[Secular-Revolution]

Assalam Alaikum,

Waleed Hussain, please listen to me.

I am not against you.  I sincerely want to help you understand the truth. If anything I feel sorry for you that from amongst the non-muslims, you guys are so close to Islam yet so far.

You said that you guys don't disrespect the Prophets. Well here is some news for you. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad severely did. If he did not become a kafir by annoucing himself a prophet then he surely become one after disrespecting the true Prophets.

There is such strong language against Hazrat Isa that it will not be appropriate for me to post it here that I myself scanned from Mirza's own book bought from a Qadyani website.

You may verify it independently if you wish. Here is the reference:

[Roohani Khazain Volume 11 - Page 291]


P.S. Administrators and Moderators: If you feel that I should post the link of the page please let me know here. Please be warned, the language is very abusive.


Allah Hafiz.

[ijkbaluch]

I whole heartedly accept your challange & submitted you email for issue to discuss. Ahmad

[Mystic]

Salaam
Why do these Qadianis run away after only making one post? Lol a guy in my school is qadiani, and he tells me about how they are the chosen ones. He says that they are trained wipe out the Jews from the face of this earth. But the funny part is most qadianis are know to go to night clubs, and are known for these types of corruptions. In fact, my friend tells me that his cousin himself met his wife in nightclub. :D hahaha When i was in high school a group of qadianis made plans to go to a strip club to celebrate the last days of school. Then i asked them "didn't u just tell me that u are the chosen ones?". Overall i have to conclude that Qadianis don't have any Imaan. Their Imaan is based on their political power, which is set up in many Western countries.

[sahmed78]

wat really hurts me is that we can make bad comments abt other who are not following the right path but the truth is if were in their shoes, we try to defend our religion by watever our ancestors have taught us, its all psychological.  The real problem is that we have born in islam and our parents have taught us that this is right and this is wrong and etc etc and we learn.  but wat if we were not muslims? wat if allah(swt) doesent want us to be borned in muslim familes? its so hard to xplain this feeling.. we are so certain sometimes that oh we are muslims and we are the best and will go to jannah without any hesitation and curse at non muslims and say they are wrong and they are going to hell for eternal.

As for brother amjed, yes we know sunnis  go to strip clubs too so no big deal there, if u wanna spread the deen of prophet(saw), we should take a different approach, czz cursing at them wont help them.  U HAVE TO ATTRACT THEM to our deen, so we should be very careful wat words we are typing in this forum. 

Forgive me if i have hurted anybody

salaamalaikum

[sahmed78]

These qadiyanis children who are born in the qadiany familes are just victims, they are innocent. but its better if we grab them in young age and teach them abt the truth, but thats hard mission. czz each year the child grows he becomes more emotianally disturbed and starts asking question like, how come they are right and my PARENTS are following the wrong things? and believe me questions like this psychologically could really hurt the person and even if he follows the right path, look at how many consequences he or she might have to face from his/her family and their own qadiyani community.  and are we willing to help them after they are converted or we just sit back and have nice meal and thank allah and go to our beds because we were born in muslim familes and we are OK and our parents are also ok and we are blessed etc etc. 

somewhere down the line i dont think we are doing that much when it comes to dawah. 

salaamalaikum

[muslim_bin_muslim]

Brothers and Sisters, Asalamu Alaikum.

Qadiyanism is a big Lie.  So, don't expect these bas***** to say anything truthfull. 

Qadiyanies have this thing.  They ALWAYS lie about their numbers.  Once a qadiyani told me their numbers in pakistan reached to "7 karorores".  I just laughed.  I kept laughing for seven days.

Anyways, you shouldn't worry about these suckers.  A lot of people are doing a lot of things to deal with them. 


Insha Allah, we will expose them in Canada, and humiliate them by exposing their lies.

Insha Allah.

Wasalam.

[muslim_bin_muslim]

Hidaayah comes from Allah.

[Husayni]

 

[Husayni]

i can understand your anger,but plz watch wat u say your langauge as there are young ppl tht  view this forum...as well..

[Mystic]

Salaam
Muslim bin Muslim u are so right, Qadianis are liars.
I was shocked to find out that my friend is Qadiani. The other day he came to me and started preaching about Islam. He started of by telling me about Islam's revolution, and then started talking about Prophet Isa (as) returning to guide us. But then i told him before Prophet Isa (as) returns, Imam Mahdi will appear. Then he told me there is no way the Mahdi will can guide us unless he is a Prophet of God. And that it is impossible for Prophet Isa (as) to return. Then i asked him if he was Qadiani and he was shocked that i knew about that organazation. Then we started having a little debate. He showed me a few verses here and there and showed him the works of his Prophet.
This is what i showed him first and here was his response.





Qadiani's reply: Mizra at time was not a Prophet, and so he had the same belief as the Sunnis. Therefore, he himself believed in the Mahdi that the Sunni believed. However, after he was guided and knew who the true Mahdi was, and denied the hadithes above.

then i showed him Mirza's insults again Prophet Isa (as)
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He read this in front of me.
Qadiani reply.: This are just parts of books. Why don't u guys post the entire book. In this Mirza is cursing Jesus because the Christains were cursing our Prophet. He is responding to them using their sources. Look at Salman Rusdie, the same case was happening at that time too. So Mirza was defending Islam by cursing Jesus.


Then he goes these Mullah have thousands of sites cursing Mizra. U should see come and see our organization. I will give u a special invitation. We are all over the world. The Pakistanis threw us out of their land, but they couldn't put an end to our organization. Look at Zia Al Haq, he was cursed. Mizra Gulaam wrote about his death and our 5th Calipah spoke about it in his lecture one week before it happened.

[Husayni]

u know these Qadiani's make me laugh
do they even know wat they getting themselfes  into...
they need to catch a wake up call before its too late...

[Mystic]

The Qadianis continues.
It is impossible for Prophet Isa (as) to be raised up. Also, once a person is heaven he cannot come back.
Prophet Isa (as) was sent for the Israelis and therefore he couldn't come back. How can he come back when the Quran says he is a Prophet for the Israelis.
My reply
If he was for the Israelis then what was he doing in India ?
Qadiani
U see this is a bit complicated. When he left Palestine the Israelis went with him, and followed him into India. That's why u will notice that the skin colour of the Isrealis is simliar to those who are Afganis and kashmiris.
My Reply
LOL ! But if he was in India the Hindus according to u believed he was Khrisna and even they started believing in him.
Qadianis
The Isrealis followed him he was their main follower. Prophet Isa (as) was not Khrisna i don't know where u go thsi from. The bottom line is Isrealis were his main followers.

Me
U guys believe that is impossible for anything to go agaisnt the laws of Physics then what about Prophet Isa(as)' birth.

Qadianis
How is that a miracle ? There are many cases where virgin mothers have children. u see Women don't need a man, they have natural fluids built in them. There are many cases in America where a women had a child while remaining a virgin.

Me
oook !!. If there are many cases why don't we google this case right now.

Qadiani
Google has fabricated articles. If u want i have many sources to prove this.

and this is where the main debate ends. He is telling to leave this anti qadianis sites and check out their organization and see how far it has been moved. Then i asked if his scholars are ready to debate our scholars
Qadianis
We will only debate about Prophet Isa (as) raising to the sky.
Me
Why don't u want to debate about other things ?
Qadianis
I know what ur scholars do. WHen they have no respond they will go off topic.
Me
Well u should be scared to let them challange u .
Qadianis
Forget these debates, I have a challange for u. If u really want to know if our Prophet is the truth do this. Remove all the hatred of our movement. Pray 5 times a day and read dawrood shareef and then after 40 days our Prophet will come in ur dream, and confirm that he is the truth.

Me
Yah ok
This is where our debate ends for the day.

[Secular-Revolution]

Assalam Alaikum,

Bro Amjad. That's quite funny. Actually its Qadiyani season for me too these days. I've been challenged by a Qadiyani on another forum. I've responded today but he seems to have done a runner for now. I'll keep things updated here at YaNabi about the debate.

Actually, I have a funny story myself. A couple of years back I knew this girl. She was a Qadiyani but I never realised until one day I happened to ask, where do you work? and she goes at MTA-Muslim TV voluntarily. And I'm like, OMG.....what do you doing working there. That's a Qadiyani channel. And she's goes, yes I'm a Qadiyani. Any problems? And we had some debates after which she decided not to talk to me anymore.

 

[Husayni]

lol

[Secular-Revolution]

Hazrat Pir Mehar Ali Shah sahab's fight against Qadianism

Hazrat Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah Sahib of Golra Sharif (to be referred hereinafter simply as “Hazrat”) was a descendent, on his father’s side, of Hazrat Syedna Ghaus-e-Azam Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (R.A) in the 25th generation, and of the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him, P.B.U.H) of Islam through Syedna Hassan Ibn-e-Ali (R.A) in the 38th generation. On the side of his mother, he descended from Hazrat Ghaus-e-Azam (R.A) in the 24th generation and from the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) through Syedna Hussain Ibn-e-Ali (R.A) in the 37th generation.

The background to Hazrat’s entry into the struggle against Qadianism is that during his visit to the Hijaz for Hajj in 1890 AD (1307 A.H.), the chaste atmosphere of the Holy Land had touched him so deeply that he had thought of permanently settling down there. However, Haji Imdad-ullah Muhajir of Makkah had advised him to return home in the following words:

“In the near future, a dangerous and evil movement is likely to raise its head in India, and you are destined to play a key role in combating it. Even if you do nothing actively against this movement, your mere presence in the country would help shield the country’s ulama against its pernicious effects”.

The truth of these words was proved barely a year later, i.e., in 1891, when Mirza of Qadian announced his (initial) claim to be the Promised Massiah (Jesus Christ) - an announcement that was to culminate about ten years later in his claim to be a full-fledged prophet of God in his own right.

Two spiritual visions experienced by Hazrat around this time also deserve a mention in this context. According to one of these, quoted in Malfuzat-e-Mihriya, the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) had appeared to Hazrat (R.A) in a dream and had commanded him to effectively refute Mirza of Qadian, who was “tearing to pieces his (i.e., the Prophet’s) ahadith through distortion and misinterpretation”.

According to the other vision, which is described in a manuscript in Hazrat’s own handwriting discovered later in his personal papers, and which occurred when Mirza challenged Hazrat to an open debate in 1900A.D, Hazrat had seen himself seated in a most respectful posture before the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) in his prayer cell, in the manner of a disciple sitting before his Shaikh (spiritual guide), while Mirza of Qadian was sitting a good distance away with his back turned to the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H).

Hazrat construed this as a clear indication of Mirza’s defiance of the Prophet’s teachings, and this prompted him to accept Mirza’s challenge for a debate in Lahore. In Hazrat’s celebrated book Saif-e-Chishtiyai (The Chishtia Sword), which Hazrat wrote later in refutation of Qadianism, he has also described a dream which he had seen in his youth, and according to which he had successfully repulsed a sword attack by the one-eyed Dajjal (Antichrist) in three consecutive thrusts. This dream, too, he interpreted as symbolically forecasting his victorious fight against the heretical Qadyani creed later in his life.

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The Legacy of Hazrat Pir Meher Ali Shah Sahab (RA) still continues to live and will do forever InshAllah.

Mirza Masroor Ahmad normally just hangs around kids as you may have noticed on Television. It's time to face the men.

A Challenge to Mirza Masroor Ahmad - The Fifth Khilafah-e-Dajjal

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[Secular-Revolution]

QUOTEOriginally posted by: Amjad Qureshi In this Mirza is cursing Jesus because the Christains were cursing our Prophet. He is responding to them using their sources. Look at Salman Rusdie, the same case was happening at that time too. So Mirza was defending Islam by cursing Jesus.

Yes bro, I infact got the very same response. See within quotes below. My response is underneath.

QUOTEQadiyani says: OK no need to be so filthy and violent in your stance dear brother. You provide completely baseless arguments without proofs or any evidence. I have checked the anti-Ahmadi/Qadiani sites here and I have caught up the references in the original books. The allegations are completely baseless and misquoted. You really ought to die of shame and guilt to dare to attack a holy person in such filthy words. I have seen the type of language you use. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has also been known to use vile lnaguage, os has Jesus Christ. Such references need to be taken into context. When you see the type of attacks against Prophet mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) you can see why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad uses the kind of attitude he does. To say that this is The Prophet that the Ahgmadis/Qadianis believe in is a false accusation.

Btw..........The filthy language of mine that he's referring to is the following. Quite touchy.

QUOTEIf you are a Qadiyani/Ahmadi then I can direct you to some literature with the sincerest of intentions and you can either choose to explain it or give up following the Kazaab of Qadian.

Response:
No offence but that's pathetic. Let me give you an example. If somebody from your mother's family abuses your dad, would you respond by abusing your mother? Come on now? Don't make such lame excuses.
 
We are requried to respect each Prophet to the highest degree. And Mirza sahab not only opened a tirade of attacks against Hazrat Isa (AS) but also disrespected our Holy Prophet SAW as well. I'll provide the evidence later on about this too.

QUOTEQadiyani: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has also been known to use vile lnaguage

Well, hows that possible. Surely a messenger from god who came with good conduct and manners as Mirza sahab here claims should be beyond using abusive language, shouldn't he? Have a look for yourself.

"God is the one who has sent his Messenger, this humble self, with good conduct and manners."

(Arba'een No. 3, Roohani Khazain vol. 17 p.426)

[Secular-Revolution]

Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani's Services to His Real Masters - The British

Mufakir-e-Islam mentions that Mirza's family offered the British help during the War of Independence of 1857 to fight against the Muslims. See the following clip:

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Now read the same from Mirza's own writings. What sort of false prophet is this who offers the kuffar help to fight the muslims? Truly their servant. And he terms the War of Independence, "Ghaddar" (Mutiny), the same that the British did. Thousands of Muslims lost their lives in that struggle.

"I come from a family which is out and out loyal to this government. My father, Mir Ghulam Murtaza, who was considered its well-wisher, used to be granted a chair in the Governor's Darbar (cabinet) and has been mentioned by Mr. Griffin in his 'History of the Princes of Punjab'. In 1857, he helped the British government beyond his means, that is he procured fifty (50) cavaliers and horses right during the time of the mutiny. He was considered by the government to be its loyal supporter and well-wisher. A number of testimonials of appreciation received by him from the officers have unfortunately been lost. Copies of three of them, however, which had been published a long time ago, are reproduced in the margin (in English). Then, after the death of my grandfather, my elder brother Mirza Ghulam Qadir remained occupied with service to the government and when the evil-doers encountered the forces of the British government on the highway of Tanmmun, he participated in the battle on the side of the British Government (under General Nicholson he killed several freedom fighters).  At the time of the death of my father and brother, I was sitting in the sidelines; but, since then, I have been helping the British for seventeen years with my pen."

(Kitab-ul-Barriah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 4, 5, 6, 7)

[sahmed78]

are we in position to say that MIRZA gulaam is going to hell for sure? man i feel so sorry for him, why did he even do such a thing like this, since he was like a sunni before.  wat was he thinking?  i dont know if allah(swt) will show any mercy towards him on day of judgement?   Since he started this stupid movement i guess he is responsible for misleading all the other innocent qadiani children who are like our age anywhere from (14-20) i mean they dont know, its just that they were meant to be born in qadiani house.  i feel so sad for them.  if anybody is reponsible, its MIRZA GULAAM. he is the main culprit.

[Mystic]

Mizra Gulaaam was a sales man. He tried to sell his religion to the public. The sales techniques he knew 100 years ago are practiced in America today to sell various products. He went to England and studied Christianity in detail. To begin, first he claimed to be the Mahdi, then he claimed to be Jesus, and finally he claimed to be everyone's Messiah. He tried many different methods to sell his faith. As he tried each method he began to get more followers. Therefore, u have to realize that these Qadiani in reality are also good sales men. When they are preaching their religion, they are trying to sell it to u. Of course once u join their cult there is a catch. U have to pay a minimum of 6.5% of your income every month.