[muslim.online]

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http://www.dailymail...h-research.html


Coca-Cola and Pepsi contain minute traces of alcohol, scientific research published in France has revealed.
The revelation will cause concern among those who chose the carbonated soft drink for religious, health or safety reasons.
According to tests carried out by the Paris-based National Institute of Consumption (INC) more than half of leading colas contain the traces of alcohol.

Can't beat the real thing: The revelation will cause concern among those who chose the carbonated soft drink for religious, health or safety reasons
These include the brand leaders Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola, while it is mainly only cheap supermarket versions of the drink which are alcohol-free.
‘60 Million Consumers’, the French magazine, publishes the results of the tests in its latest issue.
They suggest that the alcohol levels are as low as 10mg in every litre, and this works out at around 0.001 per cent alcohol.

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But the figures will still be enough to upset the thousands of Muslims who regularly drink Cola because their religion forbids them from drinking alcohol.
Those who are teetotal and drink Coke regularly will also be worried, as will those who choose it as an alternative to alcohol when they are driving.
Of 19 colas tested, the nine which did not contain alcohol were made by brands including Auchan, Cora, Casino, Leader Price and Man U-Cola.

Muslims praying at the Paris great Mosque: Many people regularly drink Cola because their religion forbids them from drinking alcohol
Ten which had traces of alcohol in them included Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola, Coca-Cola Classic Light and Coke Zero.
Michel Pepin, scientific director for Coca-Cola France, said: ‘It is possible that traces of alcohol come from the process’ of making Coca Cola according to its secret recipe.
He insisted, however, that Coca-Cola drinks were provably ‘soft’ and recognised as such ‘by the government authorities in which they are sold’.
Mr Pepin added: ‘Furthermore, the Paris Mosque has provided us with a certificate stating that our products can be consumed by the Muslim community in line with the religious opinions of the Committee of the Mosque of Paris.’

Not the only pick me up: Caffeine is widely considered to be the main stimulus contained in cola, as well as sugar
A spokesman for Pepsi acknowledged that ‘some soft drinks can contain minute traces of alcohol because of the ingredients used,’ although ‘ the Pepsi Cola recipe does not contain alcohol ‘.
Both companies suggested that natural fruit can ferment and produce minute traces of alcohol.
Coca-Cola was invented in 1886 by the American John Pemberton and was originally patented as a medicine which could cure everything from headache to impotence.
It went on to dominate the international soft drinks market and is now a US icon sold in more than 200 countries.
However, caffeine is widely considered to be the main stimulant contained in the drink, along with vast amounts of sugar which have come to associate it with a range of health problems including obesity.
Every can of Coke contains approximately 10 teaspoons of sugar.

[muslim.online]

why no comments on this? Such an important issue.

From my knowledge the alcohol content is 0.001% which is a small amount so it's permitted.

[Fekay]

I disagree, if alcohol is present, then it's haraam. Simple as that.

[northern.rock]

muslim.online, on 04 July 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

why no comments on this? Such an important issue.

From my knowledge the alcohol content is 0.001% which is a small amount so it's permitted.

is that yr opinion or have you evidence of this? just curious

[muslim.online]

northern.rock, on 04 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

is that yr opinion or have you evidence of this? just curious

not my opinion, if it isn't intoxicating it is permitted. any knowledgeable member will confirm this.

some response here:


http://spa.qibla.com...D=8552&CATE=106
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/12557

[Fekay]

muslim.online, on 04 July 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

not my opinion, if it isn't intoxicating it is permitted. any knowledgeable member will confirm this.

some response here:


http://spa.qibla.com...D=8552&CATE=106
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/12557

Both links you provided refer to alcohol as being fundamentally haram. The intoxication rule is for drinks besides alcohol.

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

Fekay, on 04 July 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Both links you provided refer to alcohol as being fundamentally haram. The intoxication rule is for drinks besides alcohol.

I agree with brother FeKey and believe the current coke has some question marks against it.

There are differences of opinions on the amount of alcohol allowed in the process of making a product. Some scholars treat alcohol as impure and thus everything it touches becomes impure as well, others don't follow the same logic.

To be honest brother, I have been searching about these kind of products where alcohol is used as a carrier and the product label won't say alcohol as ingredients because its only used as an insolvent. and you would be surprised to know that there are few products which uses alcohol as carrier but we don't know.

Anyway,I don't drink coke and I am not sure why would anybody drink and let his kinds drink that filthy stuff.... honestly.

[Fekay]

Khalid_the_Warrior, on 04 July 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

I agree with brother FeKey and believe the current coke has some question marks against it.

There are differences of opinions on the amount of alcohol allowed in the process of making a product. Some scholars treat alcohol as impure and thus everything it touches becomes impure as well, others don't follow the same logic.

To be honest brother, I have been searching about these kind of products where alcohol is used as a carrier and the product label won't say alcohol as ingredients because its only used as an insolvent. and you would be surprised to know that there are few products which uses alcohol as carrier but we don't know.

Anyway,I don't drink coke and I am not sure why would anybody drink and let his kinds drink that filthy stuff.... honestly.

If the drink(coke or whatever) still contains alcohol; meaning alcohol 'Isn't' completly burnt in the process(contrary to what the companies often claim).Is it then halal or haraam? If it's halal, then it begs the question, is alcohol halal in insignificant amounts?

Just thoughts...

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

Fekay, on 04 July 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

If the drink(coke or whatever) still contains alcohol; meaning alcohol 'Isn't' completly burnt in the process(contrary to what the companies often claim).Is it then halal or haraam? If it's halal, then it begs the question, is alcohol halal in insignificant amounts?

Just thoughts...

I don't think you can class that halal and I haven't come across a shariah ruling that says otherwise. The question arises only when alcohol is used a carrier and evaporates during the process.

There is an opinion of allowing a small quantity of natural alcohol.Like your average mango and grape have a little alcohol, approx 0.0028%

But its the added one we are questioning.....

[HussainShaheed]

Jazakallah Khair for posting this. I have stopped drinking soft drinks completely, Alhamdulilah. I stumbled across a fact that soft drinks are called soft drinks because they have very low alcohol content in them (under <0.05%). People who think this is halal to drink, would you knowingly drink spirits or other low alcohol drinks that do not make you drunk? Thinking about it, I have seen babies and small children exhibit signs of drunkenness and addiction from these so called 'soft drinks.'

I have a friend who is going through symptoms of withdrawal from quitting cold turkey. May Allah make things easy on him.