[badman]

Mudassar-Rana said:

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I still dont understand how the dawah carriers feed their family, pay their mortgage, put petrol in their car, pay school fees, pay the asda bill - and still have time to organise lectures and pay for the venue etc. Surely it cant just be me who finds paying his way difficult?



http://www.youtube.c...h?v=aGAPO-frs34

Salams,
After fast forwarding the video to 12 mins I think I had enough of it - it started to give me nausea and a headache!

Brother MR the reason you find this life difficult is cos you earn halal! Maula Ali (A.S) "who ever loves the Ahle Bayt (A.S) let them know for them this worldly life will be a struggle".

[Mudassar-Rana]

badman, on 08 June 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Salams,
After fast forwarding the video to 12 mins I think I had enough of it - it started to give me nausea and a headache!

Brother MR the reason you find this life difficult is cos you earn halal! Maula Ali (A.S) "who ever loves the Ahle Bayt (A.S) let them know for them this worldly life will be a struggle".

bro badman - i actually wrote a reply to say to you just watch it on fast forward and save yourself time - either i forgot to post it or it got removed! Knowing myself like i do i forgot to do it!

- love of ahlul bayt or rasool - is not something i claim for myself. Because i know i cannot fullfill it. However for myself all i will say that rasool a.s and ahlul bayt is deen and im just doing myself a favour by being on the right side of history - its a selfish decision. Those that dishonour, challenge the best of creation are either fools or are waging war against their creator. And that is a battle that cannot be won.

[sunniskeptic]

I have a lot of respect and time for Shaykh Asrar even though sometimes our views might slightly differ but he is a very able young scholar
and full of love of the Prophet, Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt and a staunch defender of Ala Hazrat. Imam Asim is someone who is a breath of fresh air
and for someone so young to be so dignified...and I love his 'ghetto' speak style as it really connects him to those who need it the most.

The future's bright. The future's Sunni!

[gujjubond]

sunniskeptic, on 09 June 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

I have a lot of respect and time for Shaykh Asrar even though sometimes our views might slightly differ but he is a very able young scholar
and full of love of the Prophet, Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt and a staunch defender of Ala Hazrat. Imam Asim is someone who is a breath of fresh air
and for someone so young to be so dignified...and I love his 'ghetto' speak style as it really connects him to those who need it the most.

The future's bright. The future's Sunni!

" the future's bright. The future's Sunni! "

If we stick with the path of ahlu sunnah wal jamah .. The path of majority of ummah, the path of tolerance of other views, then the future is bright and the future is sunni. But if we adopt the way of takfiri , the way of barelwism, then the future is dark. Because Salafi are leading in the west in the name of ahlu sunnah wal jamah, and we have become grave worshipper sect as they like to call us..

I am staunch follower of alahazrat but today those who claim to be his descendent has turned this great path into takfiri sect.. Which is duplicate of Salafi Wahhabi in their behaviour and attitude..

[objective-enquirer]

hamzaahmad123, on 08 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

ok. Heres the video again.




Is Shaykh Asrar a self-proclaimed dog, does he have rude manners, does he point and shout in lectures, did he run away from Murtaza Khan debate? All this and much more answered in this video exposing the false allegations made by the Najdiyya in order to demonise the character of Shaykh Asrar Rashid. Please LIKE and SHARE this video on Facebook and Twitter in help spread the truth and refute the false rumours started by the Wahabi movement.

I can understand the salafist wahabis bida`h attitude about other muslims but why does our brillo-brother at 3:19 send la'nah upon them? are we allowed to send lanat upon other muslims? it is exactly this takfiri attitude that makes him the same as that salafi bloke. what are we teaching our youth?

[Desert-Sheikh]

objective-enquirer, on 09 June 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

what are we teaching our youth?

To chase Wahabis up to their 'camps' regardless of the consequences.

I've seen all this 20 years ago in Jhang and I'm very disappointed with 'The future's Sunni' and it's not bright at all.

Shaykh Asrar (and supporters), with all due respect, instead of confronting or challenging that Wahabi monster, make a formal complaint against him, with all the evidences to prove him a sectarian terrorist for mocking other peaceful sects and provoking sectarian tensions in Britain. And please, do not send these kids to Wahabi gatherings again, they could get arrested for attacking a Wahabi gathering and shouting 'wahabi-provoking' Sunni chants.

Raza Ka Chaman Salamat Rahe... Ameen

[hamzaahmad123]

objective-enquirer, on 09 June 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

I can understand the salafist wahabis bida`h attitude about other muslims but why does our brillo-brother at 3:19 send la'nah upon them? are we allowed to send lanat upon other muslims? it is exactly this takfiri attitude that makes him the same as that salafi bloke. what are we teaching our youth?

Wait, misunderstanding, he does not send La'nah upon the wahabis. Vthat clip was taken out from another video. Vhes actually sending lanah on the zionist. Chence talking about "history for 100 years"

[hamzaahmad123]

What is with all this attacking of shaykh asrar? Tell me, are you a qualified scholar, hve you studied with the dignitaries of the deen, how much help have you donetro tackle wahhabism. Shaykh asrar has left a massive dent in wahhabism of the uk. He haa silenced the "barking" murtaza khan and shamed him infrOnt of his followers. He helped to organise sunni movements up and down the country. if it wasnt for him, the youth wouldnt have the guts to stand against the wahhabis. Shaykh asrar rashid is a THORN in the eyes of the wahhabis. If you dont like how he teaches, or u dont agree With what he has said, then go and discuss it with him. He speaks good english. Stop displaying a negative image about him, accusing him of being a takfiri barelvi extremist.

I think we should have a new name for those who accuse others of being takfiris!

[Desert-Sheikh]

hamzaahmad123, on 09 June 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

What is with all this attacking of shaykh asrar?

Can you please point out who attacked Shaykh Asrar?

[hamzaahmad123]

gujjabond

[Desert-Sheikh]

hamzaahmad123, on 09 June 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

gujjabond

Please re-read his post again, it indicates the sad state of affairs in which we are in and the mentality and behavior in some of today's followers of the Blessed Imam Ahmad Raza Khan.

By the way, it's not attacking Shakh Asrar.

[Know-the-Ledge]

The haq chaar yaar and tafzili issues are a red-herring, those are disputes of differences in opinion, whereas the Najidoon are intent on displacing everybody and their wife out of the fold of Islam, the two can't be compared, one is a scholarly right whereas the other is religious belligerence and from the egregious wrongs of the religion; it's a twisted mentality of 'ownership' behaving as though they have autonomy over who is and isn't a muslims and I myself have been on the receiving end of this obstinate understanding, they use ayah of Quran revealed against the disbelievers against those that profess kalimah, it's infuriating and thankfully in the whole Yorkshire area they're a sad minority, a cartoon clan of looney toons not taken very seriously and I commend the likes of Shaykh Asrar and Imam Muhammed Asim (amongst others) who are leading this public information campaign aganst the akhiiiiisssss with their fake arabic accents and Saudi tea-towels which are a historically an American sunnah; Shaykh Asrar is reacting to antagonism.

DS the 'kids' that confonted Murtaza Khan were dignified and to the point, given Murtaza is intent on discarding them out of the religion, they were quite composed, it would be justified to knock his block off for such naked aggression of the tongue against them.

I have looked into the matter in depth and am satsified that Shaykh Asrar has given a justified riposte and has been balanced given the provocation of the loony toons, the academia of Murtaza and co is immature and facile, it's embarrasing, they propound cicular logics over and over, of premise with no advancement of reasoning. All 'Naql' no 'aql', that's why we call them 'naql' heads.

Yes you can peruse Shaykh Asrar's vidoes and find foible therein, but then that's acting like an American, somebody is punched in the face over and over, then when he reacts you take the moral high-ground.

[hamzaahmad123]

Ok. Let me call Molvi abdul Qadir Jilani a Tafzili Shia and say it indicates the sad state of affairs in which we are in and the mentality and behavior in some of today's followers.

By the way, its not attacking Molvi Abdul qadir


How on earth can u say that , calling someone a "takfiri barelwi" is not "attacking"

[Mudassar-Rana]

hamzaahmad123, on 09 June 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ok. Let me call Molvi abdul Qadir Jilani a Tafzili Shia and say it indicates the sad state of affairs in which we are in and the mentality and behavior in some of today's followers.

By the way, its not attacking Molvi Abdul qadir


How on earth can u say that , calling someone a "takfiri barelwi" is not "attacking"

bro i fail to understand ur attitude. We have all lauded the efforts of shaykh asrar - Are you imagining that we have differences with him?

[Sunni786Soldier]

Mudassar-Rana, on 09 June 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

bro i fail to understand ur attitude. We have all lauded the efforts of shaykh asrar - Are you imagining that we have differences with him?

No offence but MR you do seem to pass judgements prior to investigating the matter as was clear from your earliar comments on this thread. You do need to investigate engage your brain and then comment.

[Desert-Sheikh]

KTL,

Wahabi's terrorists have not hidden their hatred for Sunni Muslims and the world have known their bullying of the Sunni/Shia Muslims and terrorist activities activities against them. There monsters Mullah's been the worst since day one when their founding father addressed the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu Alieh Wassalam) "Oh Muhammad Be Just!

That video is self explanatory, look at his stupid face, he shamelessly blabbering 'you dont worry akhi, they just want me' he doesnt have the guts to accept the challenge, even doesn't have courage to look into 'kids' eyes.

Anyway, bullies are rewarded for their bullying behaviours but all i want our guys not to enter in their gatherings. I dont know about UK but here in Pakistan, instead of going to their house/gathering, we simply publish the challenge and distributes it.

Dr Tahir-ul-Qadiri Sahib exposing the today's Wahabi gangster who even call their own elders 'Mushrik'.

[sunniskeptic]

gujjubond, on 09 June 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

" the future's bright. The future's Sunni! "

If we stick with the path of ahlu sunnah wal jamah .. The path of majority of ummah, the path of tolerance of other views, then the future is bright and the future is sunni. But if we adopt the way of takfiri , the way of barelwism, then the future is dark. Because Salafi are leading in the west in the name of ahlu sunnah wal jamah, and we have become grave worshipper sect as they like to call us..

I am staunch follower of alahazrat but today those who claim to be his descendent has turned this great path into takfiri sect.. Which is duplicate of Salafi Wahhabi in their behaviour and attitude..

brother it's not fair to equate 'the way of takfiri' = 'the way of barelwism' -- yes, there are SOME of our sunni-barelwis who are very hasty in accusing others of doing kufr/throwing people out of sunnism and have restricted who is a Sunni to only themselves but the vast majority of 'Barelwis' are still tolerant of difference of opinion. At the same time calling a spade a spade is not being intolerant. e.g. criticising the "Hare Rama Hare Krishna" shenanigans of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri sahib's infamous Wembley conference doesn't make one a 'takfiri. 'I'd say more of the intolerance of difference of opinion comes from India and Pakistan rather than in the UK. It certainly isn't fair to say that we Sunnis have become grave worshippers'. that IS slander since NO Muslim by definition worships graves. Even if some ignorant villager in India or Pakistan bows to a grave you cannot call him a grave worshipper because it depends on his niyyah and if you asked him or her I bet they would all say 'we worship Allah'. Doing such an haram act doesn't equate to grave worshiping!
Come on brother, that's the kind of simplistic nonsense a Salafi would come up with!

At the same time, you are right that in the UK, despite their vastly smaller numbers, Salafis (and Deobandis) are much more organised and successful in attracting the youth to their brand of Islam. We're stuck in arguments from 19th/early 20th century India
which Joe Average doesn't care about at all. Having said that, alhamdulillah, there are a lot of youngsters who are coming up who have been inspired by the likes of Shaykh Hamza and Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad and Shaykh Yaqoubi to go to traditional Muslim madrassahs and come back and teach the same message as that of Ala Hazrat and all the Sufis of real Islam. But youth're right--we Sunnis from Desistan need to do more. In my opinion the only really successful institute we have in the UK is Jamia al Karam.
The others have loads!


And although we have many Sunni satellite channels they need to be united and in English to have an impact. I've said it before, I love listening to Urdu and Punjabi but most of the youth in the UK (youth = < 30) would prefer all programming in English so why not pool the resources and have one channel broadcasting 24/7 in Urdu and Punjabi and another one 24/7 in English only. For example, Noor TV Urdu and Noor TV English or Ummah English etc.?

[Brother_MGS]

Im going to give two opinions here. One as a 22 year old and the other as just a normal neutral.

What people don't understand is in the UK, the youth desperately need British Imams and scholars. Look at Imam Muhammad Asim Hussain, he has got countless youth believing that loving RasoolAllah SalallahuAlaiyhiWaSalaam is the best thing one can do. They have put pride back in the heart of countless UK youth. What people don't understand is as soon as a kid hits college until he finishes University or goes into later life, he/she is looking for an identity. We have finally got British born Islamic scholars that are teaching Sunni Aqeedah to the youth and changing the lives of countless youth. They are inspiring youngsters to talk about Awliya, the life of our Prophet, the Sahaba and the Ahle Bayt. Im a member of facebook, an active one to and a part of its turned into Sufibook. I know people around my age that used to think Jayz and Drake were the end all and be all,the same people now have adopted the name of a Tariqa and put it in their name, they are growing beards and even zulfa!. They are soo inspired by these scholars, who have instilled the love of the holy Prophet in them. Zikr, Naat etc. is becoming part of their everyday lives.

I back Brother KTL's position when it comes to Najdoon. Im very sure majority of members in here have been fustrated by them and have even been confronted by them. They have caused such dirt, the youth that follow Najdoon scholars are almost zoned to hate and be narrow. Ive spent a lifetime argueing with them and it gets to a point where your not angry for them anymore, your just purely sorry for them. With the media given x amounts of extra power to such people, we needed British scholars to come out and defend the Sunni Aqeedah, to take the fight to them.

Where Moulana Asrar Rashid has messed up in my opinion was when hes started getting involved in issues such as Afzaliat and Haq Chaar Yaar. Theres no need for him to do so, theres no need for him to go into such delicate topics. Let the buddeh and the Ulema from backhome carry on fighting that battle. The sole purpose of British born Ulema should be to continue the fantastic work they are doing and spread love.

[Desert-Sheikh]

hamzaahmad123, on 09 June 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ok. Let me call Molvi abdul Qadir Jilani a Tafzili Shia and say it indicates the sad state of affairs in which we are in and the mentality and behavior in some of today's followers.

By the way, its not attacking Molvi Abdul qadir


How on earth can u say that , calling someone a "takfiri barelwi" is not "attacking"

Oh my god here we go again.

I requested you to reread that post and point out where exactly Shaykh Asrar was attacked but you dragged another scholar into this discussion that have shown your true colors. I knew you dont have guts to hold a discussion thats why you always just post youtube links but anyway this discussion is over, Go spew your hate and stupidity somewhere else.

[objective-enquirer]

hamzaahmad123, on 09 June 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Wait, misunderstanding, he does not send La'nah upon the wahabis. Vthat clip was taken out from another video. Vhes actually sending lanah on the zionist. Chence talking about "history for 100 years"

Is this about the zionizts as well. Callin muslims the Quranic shayateen. and then you expect others sing your praises and focus upon your arguments??

This post has been edited by objective-enquirer: 09 June 2012 - 02:35 PM