[Mudassar-Rana]

someone50, on 04 August 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

They also enjoy the bid'a when they called upon NATO and Arab dictators to invade Libya and now they are doing the same thing in Syria. The most extremist groups, the so called lions of Ahle Sunnah, such as Alqaida and Ikhwanul Muslimeen are now fighting alongside British, Germans, Saudis and other NATO members.... And begging them for mercy and seek their help. These are the so called brave Mujahideen who killed women and children in hundreds of thousands in Iraq and blamed them for collaborating with the Americans invasion.

Wahabism as an ideology is truly an evil concept. When an ideology's basis is based on the negative presumption that all muslims need rectifying apart from those that subscribe then the result will be destruction.

Its not about simply the people the kill its about sowing discord, destabilising nations that disagree and even going to the extent of seeking or providing succour to the kuffar the known enemy of islam in order to acheive your nefarious designs.

Br DS a few months ago did a superb analysis on the origins of Wahabism - and it should be the something we should all acquaint ourselves with. Im not bothered with the silly and petty debates that occupy the minds of many barelvis i.e noor and bashar and ilm ul gaib etc these are by the wayside. The more important thing is the way our lives have been effected this last 100 years. The loss of the ottoman caliphate, the supporting of the west against iraq, the supporting of illegitimate takfiri groups against the ordinary people of nations i.e the shia/sufi in Pakistan.

Unless and until we know the origins we can never really authoritively speak against wahabism as a destructive doctrine.

As to why the Qatari and Saudi regime are backing rebellion in Syria it is purely for 2 reasons. Both countries see the shia population in their country a threat. Moreover they see Iran's nuclear ambitions a threat hence they are willing to aid the kuffar to ensure their aims are fullfilled. We shouldnt be surprised as they have always done this.

This does not decry that like all muslim people's the sunni of Syria have genuine grievances - but we should remember that those aiding them arent doing so out of humanitarian desires but own geo-political agenda. Otherwise why hasnt any arab regime spoken out against the 20000 dead in Burma? Why havent they provided any sort of financial help and why havent they used their financial might to force Bangladesh to care for them?

Iran, Hezbollah should have used their diplomacy and wisdom to ensure that Assad didnt let things get out of hand and not allow syria to be destabilised. Instead they accepted it as inevitable and flocked to support the regime thus losing much good will in the muslim world.

Before its too late both the shia but more importantly the majority sunni need to open their hearts, minds and eyes and realise who the snake is. If we remain in slumber the time is not far when there wont be a shia or a sunni we will have been discarded in the dustbin of history.

[someone50]

Mudassar-Rana, on 04 August 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Wahabism as an ideology is truly an evil concept. When an ideology's basis is based on the negative presumption that all muslims need rectifying apart from those that subscribe then the result will be destruction.

Its not about simply the people the kill its about sowing discord, destabilising nations that disagree and even going to the extent of seeking or providing succour to the kuffar the known enemy of islam in order to acheive your nefarious designs.

Br DS a few months ago did a superb analysis on the origins of Wahabism - and it should be the something we should all acquaint ourselves with. Im not bothered with the silly and petty debates that occupy the minds of many barelvis i.e noor and bashar and ilm ul gaib etc these are by the wayside. The more important thing is the way our lives have been effected this last 100 years. The loss of the ottoman caliphate, the supporting of the west against iraq, the supporting of illegitimate takfiri groups against the ordinary people of nations i.e the shia/sufi in Pakistan.

Unless and until we know the origins we can never really authoritively speak against wahabism as a destructive doctrine.

As to why the Qatari and Saudi regime are backing rebellion in Syria it is purely for 2 reasons. Both countries see the shia population in their country a threat. Moreover they see Iran's nuclear ambitions a threat hence they are willing to aid the kuffar to ensure their aims are fullfilled. We shouldnt be surprised as they have always done this.

This does not decry that like all muslim people's the sunni of Syria have genuine grievances - but we should remember that those aiding them arent doing so out of humanitarian desires but own geo-political agenda. Otherwise why hasnt any arab regime spoken out against the 20000 dead in Burma? Why havent they provided any sort of financial help and why havent they used their financial might to force Bangladesh to care for them?

We all know who Qatar, Saudi and other Wahabi monarchies are, I never expected them to do otherwise. But, when it comes to the 'mad' and 'lunatic Jihadists' such as Alqaida, Salafi movements and Ikhwanists, they were the same people who cried 24/7 for being oppressed by these Wahabi monarchies and western agents and they were humiliated in their prisons around the clock. But, after the recent developments, they made it so obvious that no one can doubt their real principles and what they stand for....anything but Islam.

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Iran, Hezbollah should have used their diplomacy and wisdom to ensure that Assad didnt let things get out of hand and not allow syria to be destabilised. Instead they accepted it as inevitable and flocked to support the regime thus losing much good will in the muslim world.

Before its too late both the shia but more importantly the majority sunni need to open their hearts, minds and eyes and realise who the snake is. If we remain in slumber the time is not far when there wont be a shia or a sunni we will have been discarded in the dustbin of history.

Well, Iran and Hezb and those who objected western domination had a chance to use these chaos in Arab states for their own benefits and expand as quickly and as wisely as they possible. But, the first wrong move they made was to welcome the fall of Libyan government and ignore the entire NATO invasion and the ill intentions they had in Libya. The only thing they did was to condemn NATO's bombings on civilians a few times. How could you possibly welcome a wave of Takfiris under the NATO's umbrella? Because they were upset with Gaddafi and they thought the Islamist Salafi folks would establish Islam and then invite Ahmadinejad or any other Muslim leader for the Sharia party? Well, what exactly happened, the first thing the puppet Takfiris did was to welcome the leaders of Britain and France (whom they call the satan followers and send suicide bombers against) and signed oil contracts with them. Almost the same things are happening in Egypt minus the NATO invasion and Syria which turned to become a wake up call for Iran and Hizb is worse than all... the fall of Syria, doesn't matter how bad or how evil we call it, means the expansion of Zionist plots to the borders of Iran, Pakistan and even the ignorant Turkey will also pay and suffer. Once the west is done with Iran, with Pakis nuclear weapons, then Turkey will be their last stop since they do not have any plan to see or trust any Muslim or so called Muslim country with a military myth or with advance weapons and techs in their hands.

[Mudassar-Rana]

@someone50 - bro I agree vis a vis the "islamists" - I've been extremely confused at their behaviour. They wholeheartedly supported the arab spring in tunisia, egypt and libya etc Now those same people are saying that it was just a physical change and not ideological - but they still now support the change in Syria?

My confusion is aggravated by the fact that each group claims that their leaders are mujtahids/visionaries etc so I expect that these people will guide the ummah and give their visions and their analysis as to what is happening. But there is nothing of that sort happening. We saw last year that Tahir Ul Qadri saab attack the concept of 1 caliph for the ummah saying there was no such evidence in history for one caliph?

I have seen papers from the famous think tanks in the USA about their views on cultivating favourable islam but I never thought that they would be able to acheive it? I hope against hope that it hasnt happened but the actions of various groups of all shades makes me think maybe there has been infiltration?

I hope and pray that Allah gives power to a counter revolutionary force amongst the scholars of all groups who counteract the current outgoings.One thing in my mind is clear that until the ummah recognises the message of imam hussein a.s and look outside of story telling and traditions we arent going to move forward.

[qadrimuslim]

This is the same Wahabi state that encourages destruction of Islamic heritage in Muslim countries:

- The demolishment of all historic sites in Makkah-tul-Mukarrima, including Jannat al Baqi, Safa/Marwa, the blessed place of the Mawlid of Nabi Paak (SAWW)

- Missile attacks on the zawiya of Awliya Allah in Libya, Somalia, Mali, Timbuktu etc etc

Yet this year, during Ramadan, they have sent their women athletes to the Greek pagan Olympics to represent their "Kingdom"

In 2002 they knocked down the Ajyad Fortress which was built by the Khalifa to protect the Kaba and Makkah - and in its place they built this hideous Satanic and Masonic tower over the Haram Shareef

What more proof do you need Wahabism is not Islam???????????????????



http://carbonatoms.w...m-and-to-taste/

[qadrimuslim]

And here is the splendid Ajyad Fortress that was built on the Bulbul Hill in Makkah

today both the hill and fortress are long gone and a masonic symbol stands in its place

I pray to Allah to forgive the Ummah and allow us to take back the Hijaz from these followers of Dajjal





The Ottoman-era Ajyad fortress demolished by Saudi Arabia was built about 225 years ago on the highest point overlooking the Holy City of Makkah to defend Islam's holiest shrines from rebel attacks. It stood atop the 150-metre Bulbul hill, south-west of the Grand Mosque, forming a powerful defence line with two other forts, Lala and Hindi, to the west and north, according to a Saudi research body.
Lala and Hindi, built a few years earlier, are both still standing. Ajyad was hurriedly erected around 1775 by Ghaleb bin Musaed, an Ottoman sherif, to repulse attacks by rebel tribes, but was demolished and rebuilt two years later after fighting stopped, Faqih Research and Development Center said.
The stone fort was renovated 100 years later by Othman Nori Basha, another Ottoman ruler, and remained intact until it was razed.

[Mudassar-Rana]

There is no Kufr Bidah Shirk (KBS) in this. Takfir! Ya Munafiqeen!

[Mystic]

Since this topic got bumped back up another question came to my mind. If Wahabism was just formed 100 + years ago then how we explain the madhab which was supported by the Abbasid ruler Al-Mutawakkil ?

[Aljannah]

There's no such thing as Wahabisism... you'll need to fix the hate you got inside you. Al wahab is one of Allah swts names.

You guys are really sad you know. Not everything Saudi needs to be hated on just cuz a few are bad, tears come to my eyes when I see this sort of disunity in the Ummah. We have good n bad where ever we go. Just make this place a least livable, if you don't have anything positive to say stay Chupped.

[warea]

http://www.hornofsatan.wordpress.com

[Aljannah]

Not all Shaytaans are looks up in Ramadan unfortunately, we'll always have a few clipping away at this Ummah, who've no real sense of right n wrong much these days anyway.

Donkeys are still holding firm onto the lions ropes I see. Won't be long now inshaallah. Won't be long at all. May Allah bring out the best from the Ummah and save us from the Mushriks n Hypocrites evil plans. Ameen Ya Rabbi.

Hate what Allah hates love what Allah loves. How do you know what what Allah swt really thinks about you eh?

[qadrimuslim]

Aljannah, on 05 August 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Not all Shaytaans are looks up in Ramadan unfortunately, we'll always have a few clipping away at this Ummah, who've no real sense of right n wrong much these days anyway.

Donkeys are still holding firm onto the lions ropes I see. Won't be long now inshaallah. Won't be long at all. May Allah bring out the best from the Ummah and save us from the Mushriks n Hypocrites evil plans. Ameen Ya Rabbi.

Hate what Allah hates love what Allah loves. How do you know what what Allah swt really thinks about you eh?

surely you dont agree with the Saudi Americans? and the Wahabi ideology being spewed?

[Aljannah]

qadrimuslim, on 06 August 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

surely you dont agree with the Saudi Americans? and the Wahabi ideology being spewed?

I'm taking about this name you all have made up, 'wahabisim' wtfitna is that about? Why don't you just name people by their names? N stop beating around the bush about it? Address what's wrong and give suggestions in a modest manner in how we can best resolve it, instead of naming Muslim Brothers n Sisters Dajjal followers. Do you know certain things you say could take you out of the fold of Islam? If you didn't then you should look into it.

I don't celebrate the Bid'dah prophets birthday, which many do here, but you don't see me ramming it down their throats do you? It's a day where we fast n can do extra Ibaadah, but who does that these days? Exactly.

If we cant read from the same page of the book on small matters in this Ummah, how are we supposed to resolve the bigger battles out there?

Just spreading the light.......... hare

[qadrimuslim]

Aljannah, on 07 August 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I'm taking about this name you all have made up, 'wahabisim' wtfitna is that about? Why don't you just name people by their names? N stop beating around the bush about it? Address what's wrong and give suggestions in a modest manner in how we can best resolve it, instead of naming Muslim Brothers n Sisters Dajjal followers. Do you know certain things you say could take you out of the fold of Islam? If you didn't then you should look into it.

I don't celebrate the Bid'dah prophets birthday, which many do here, but you don't see me ramming it down their throats do you? It's a day where we fast n can do extra Ibaadah, but who does that these days? Exactly.

If we cant read from the same page of the book on small matters in this Ummah, how are we supposed to resolve the bigger battles out there?

Just spreading the light.......... hare

aha a reply..

you say that many things take you out of Islam.. how about your own statement?

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I don't celebrate the Bid'dah prophets birthday

You obviously dont see the gustakhi in your language - only a true Muslim would see it and denounce it. May Allah guide you.

Wahabi'ism is an established name for this twisted ideology. Look it up in the dictionary and stop living in denial. Allah gave you 2 eyes - stop looking through just the ONE.

[Brother_MGS]

I wouldn't call it Wahabism or Salafism, more Khawarij or Ghair Muqallid. I was watching Ramadan TV earlier and i saw massive misguidance by the urdu speaking guy they have on their. He said that following the schools of Madhab are like standing infront of the fire of Jahannam as it is splitting the Ummah, Then we went on to talk about Hafidh Ibn Khathirs tafsir of the Quran, the same Hafidh that calls himself Sha'fi. I have personally seen him sit on an Ahmadi talk show, calling the Ahmadi's his fellow muslim brothers.

The typical approach by the Ghair Muqallid is to cry because of the disunity and then go and call Mawlid biddah, till this day ive never heard an Ayah in the Quran directly proving so. Maybe I read a different Quran.

As much as Syria deserves its freedom, I pray hard that it doesnt fall into the hands of the Saud financed Islam.

[Aljannah]

qadrimuslim, on 08 August 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

aha a reply..

you say that many things take you out of Islam.. how about your own statement?



You obviously dont see the gustakhi in your language - only a true Muslim would see it and denounce it. May Allah guide you.

Wahabi'ism is an established name for this twisted ideology. Look it up in the dictionary and stop living in denial. Allah gave you 2 eyes - stop looking through just the ONE.

i have recently come to islam and people have told me to stay away from wahabis, who are they and wht do they preech? 

Praise be to
Allaah.
It is obligatory upon the Muslim to follow the Messenger
of Allaah (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him), according to the way of the righteous salaf
who followed the guidance of the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the Sahaabah and those
who followed them – may Allaah be pleased with them all. These people
are called Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah (the People of the Sunnah
and the Community). Everyone who follows the way brought by the Messenger
of Allaah (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him) is one of them. The Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought the message of Tawheed
(absolute Oneness of Allaah) and rejection of shirk (polytheism,
or association of others with Allaah); he called people to worship Allaah
alone and none other. With regard to the word “Wahhaabis”, some people
use this word to refer to the message of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab
ibn Sulaymaan al-Tameemi al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him),
and they call him and his followers Wahhaabis. Everyone who has any
knowledge of the movement of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab (may
Allaah have mercy on him) and his message knows that he sought to spread
the message of pure Tawheed and to warn against shirk in all
its forms, such as attachment to the dead, or to trees and rocks, etc.
In his ‘aqeedah (belief), he was following the way of the righteous
Salaf and the Taabi’een [i.e., the earliest generations of Islam], as
is indicated by his books and fatwas, and the books of his followers
among his sons and grandsons and others. All of these books are in print
and are in circulation among the people. His message was in accordance
with the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Wahhaabism is not a new
way or a new school of thought; rather it is a call to Tawheed and the
revival of aspects of the religion that had been forgotten. What you
have to do is to beware of those who warn you against the Wahhaabis,
because they are warning you against following the truth and the early
generation of this ummah. Applying the word “Wahhaabis” to those who
adhere to correct belief and warning people against them is the way
of the ignorant and biased. We ask Allaah to keep you safe and sound. 

See
Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), 3/1206;
see also Question # 12203. And Allaah knows
best/

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Barak'Allah fee

[Aljannah]

Brother_MGS, on 08 August 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

I wouldn't call it Wahabism or Salafism, more Khawarij or Ghair Muqallid. I was watching Ramadan TV earlier and i saw massive misguidance by the urdu speaking guy they have on their. He said that following the schools of Madhab are like standing infront of the fire of Jahannam as it is splitting the Ummah, Then we went on to talk about Hafidh Ibn Khathirs tafsir of the Quran, the same Hafidh that calls himself Sha'fi. I have personally seen him sit on an Ahmadi talk show, calling the Ahmadi's his fellow muslim brothers.

The typical approach by the Ghair Muqallid is to cry because of the disunity and then go and call Mawlid biddah, till this day ive never heard an Ayah in the Quran directly proving so. Maybe I read a different Quran.

As much as Syria deserves its freedom, I pray hard that it doesnt fall into the hands of the Saud financed Islam.

Is it permissible to give my family members some gifts on Eid al-Adha and Eid al-Fitr, and to do that every year, or is it an innovation (bid‘ah)?

Praise be to
Allah.
 
There is
nothing wrong with giving gifts on Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha to family and relatives, because these are days of joy
and happiness on which it is mustahabb to uphold
ties, show kindness, and eat and drink plenty. This is not bid‘ah;
rather it is something that is permissible and a good custom that is one of the
symbols of Eid. Hence it is not allowed to give gifts
and express joy and happiness on innovated occasions on which it is not
prescribed to celebrate, such as New Year, the Mawlid
(Prophet’s birthday) and the fifteenth of Sha‘baan (an-nusf min Sha‘baan), because
this makes them like Eids.
 
Shaykh Ibn
‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: On
this Eid people also exchange gifts, i.e., they make
food and invite one another to come and eat, and they get together and
celebrate. There is nothing wrong with this custom because these are days of Eid. When Abu Bakr (may Allah be
pleased with him) entered the house of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and
peace of Allah be upon him) and found with him two young girls who were singing
on the days of Eid, he rebuked them, but the Prophet
(blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Let them be.” And he did not
say it because they were young girls. Rather he said: “Let them be, for these
are the days of Eid.”
 
This indicates
that Islam, with its tolerant and easy-going attitude, allows people to express
joy and happiness on the days of Eid.
End quote from
Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Uthaymeen, 16/276
 
And he (may
Allah have mercy on him) said:
It is well
known that there are no festivals in Islam except those which are proven in sharee‘ah, namely Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Ahda, and Friday which is the weekly “Eid”.
As for the fifteenth of Sha‘baan (an-nusf min Sha‘baan), there is no
proof in Islam is that it is an Eid. If it is taken
as an occasion on which charity is distributed or gifts are given to neighbours, then this is taking it as an Eid.
End quote from
Fataawa Noor ‘ala
ad-Darb
 
And he said
concerning Mother’s Day: Once this is understood, it is not permissible, on the
occasion mentioned in your question, which is called Mother’s Day, to introduce
any of the symbols of Eid on this day, such as
expressing joy and happiness, giving gifts, and so on.
End quote from
Majmoo‘ Fataawa
ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 2/301
 
And Allah
knows best.

Islam Q&A

Don't bring bid'dah into Islam.

[JoeDacky]

Aljannah, on 08 August 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Don't bring bid'dah into Islam.

Salaam,

Very true that is. Unless you to like to be like the hypocrites in the link below.

http://www.inminds.c...ticle.php?id=42

[Mudassar-Rana]

JoeDacky, on 08 August 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Salaam,

Very true that is. Unless you to like to be like the hypocrites in the link below.

http://www.inminds.c...ticle.php?id=42

Wahabism is a reference to an ideology and not people. Therefore any ills are referenced to purely the ideological foundations and those that aggressively propagate this ideology thoroughout the world i.e the saudi state. Ironically the one thing this forum is lambasted for is its all inclusive approach to the ummah of rasool allah a.s as opposed to carving corner street sects.

No one blames a cashier in a bank for the ills of capitalism, when people protest against capitalism they protest against the stakeholders in the capitalist ideology. Take it further what blame can we lay at the door of a soldier in the american army for the murder of muslims when he is acting only upon orders and is a paid employee and thus he has all the insecurities that any ordinary employee would have. We thus protest against the american state.

Celebrating the birth of rasool allah a.s is an eid without religious sanction. Not because it is illegal but it is done out of ishq e risaalat and the thankfulness to the lord for sending us a messenger the link with whom is the gateway to jannah. Ishq is an emotion that cannot be enforced. It is done purely from one's heart. So those that find it disagreeable are welcome to the opinion and those that wish to celebrate it do so out of being grateful to their lord. There is nothing in islamic jurisprudence to enforce that one walks barefoot in madina yet imam malik himself a founder of a whole school of jurisprudence would walk barefoot in madina. Or the sahabi responsile for disposing of the blood of the messenger a.s committed a haram act by drinking it but it was commended by rasool allah a.s as it was done out of ishq and respect. Or the sahabi who upon hearing that rasool allah a.s lost a tooth in a war smashed all his own teeth - these actions are not permitted ordinarily or commended by shariah but are commited by those who are in bondge to their own hearts.

Neither do I agree with processions and marches or birthday cakes and helicopters - that is an extravagance that would never have been condoned by rasool allah a.s whilst much of his nation dies of starvation. The best way to celebrate is to ensure those that are around you are removed from hardship that day or people do extra individual ibadaats or send food to their near and dear ones. Or celebrate it as rasool allah s.a.w did by fasting on that day.

To mix the advent of rasool allah a.s with the origins of wahabism is an injustice.

[arzooemadinah]

Off-topic removed.

This post has been edited by Desert-Sheikh: 08 August 2012 - 01:15 PM
Reason for edit: Please don't divert this thread in your favourite topic.

[Aljannah]

All I said was don't hate, but we can all see how that's never going to change, aww well ... kill or be killed it is then