[Aljannah]

I thought only our Salaams are received by him pbuh. What particular sect believe this? I've not heard of this before. How astonishingly astonishing.

[seeker]

 Aljannah, on 27 April 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

I thought only our Salaams are received by him pbuh. What particular sect believe this? I've not heard of this before. How astonishingly astonishing.

There is hadith evidence that our deeds are presented to the Holy Prophet (pbuh). Is "being aware" the same as "seeing"? (There is some debate I heard about from this website around an idea called Haazir Naazir, but... dunno.)

"My living is good for you. Your matters can be discussed and you will be kept informed. My death is good for you, for your deeds are presented before me. Whatever I see from good actions, I praise Allah and whatever I see from evil, I seek Allah's forgiveness on your behalf."

To go to his grave and present salaam is for him to hear it directly without any intermediary. Otherwise, it may be that Angels convey the salaam, or it may be that our conveyance of salaam is included in the hadith above and hence he hears it directly as well (but that is difficult for me to understand because of the Hadith about Jumu'ah and him hearing it directly on that day). SalAllahu alayhi wa aalihi wasallam.

Other than these two things I'll keep my mouth shut for now. These are what I believe and after that I just see grey area (at the moment).

[Aljannah]

 seeker, on 28 April 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

There is hadith evidence that our deeds are presented to the Holy Prophet (pbuh). Is "being aware" the same as "seeing"? (There is some debate I heard about from this website around an idea called Haazir Naazir, but... dunno.)

"My living is good for you. Your matters can be discussed and you will be kept informed. My death is good for you, for your deeds are presented before me. Whatever I see from good actions, I praise Allah and whatever I see from evil, I seek Allah's forgiveness on your behalf."

To go to his grave and present salaam is for him to hear it directly without any intermediary. Otherwise, it may be that Angels convey the salaam, or it may be that our conveyance of salaam is included in the hadith above and hence he hears it directly as well (but that is difficult for me to understand because of the Hadith about Jumu'ah and him hearing it directly on that day). SalAllahu alayhi wa aalihi wasallam.

Other than these two things I'll keep my mouth shut for now. These are what I believe and after that I just see grey area (at the moment).

Jazak'Allah sister. I'd have preferred a Hadith which I could've cross referenced this. But Insha'Allaah I will look into it. We don't want to be counted amongst the Hell dwellers by spreading lies. Not saying you are, I advice myself first. We must make sure what we say and do in Islam is in accordance with Al Qur'an and Sunnah of Our Beloved Prophet pbuh.

Barak'Allah Fee

[seeker]

 Aljannah, on 28 April 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Jazak'Allah sister. I'd have preferred a Hadith which I could've cross referenced this. But Insha'Allaah I will look into it. We don't want to be counted amongst the Hell dwellers by spreading lies. Not saying you are, I advice myself first. We must make sure what we say and do in Islam is in accordance with Al Qur'an and Sunnah of Our Beloved Prophet pbuh.

Barak'Allah Fee

The Hadith is as follows:

"My life is good for you, and my death is good for you; you discuss your matters and you can be informed, and my passing is good for you, for your deeds are presented to me and for that which I see of good, I praise God, and for that which I see of bad, I see forgiveness for you." Reported by Imam al-Bazzaar in his musnad.
Hafidh al-Iraqi says “Its chain is jayyid (good).”
Al-Haythami said “It is reported by Al-Bazzar and its men are the men of the Sahih.”
Imam As-Suyuti declared its chain Sahih in Al-Khasa’is as well as in his takhrij of Ash-Shifaa.
Hafidh Abdullah Al-Ghumari wrote that this chain was Sahih.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Alawi Al-Makki stated in his "Notions that must be corrected": "It was also declared Sahih in Hafidh As-Suyuti in Mu’jizat, as well as Al-Khasa’is, as well as by Al-Qastalani who explained Sahih Al-Bukhari. Al-Munawi stated in Fayd Al-Qadir that it was Sahih, as well as Az-Zurqani in his Sharh of Qastalani’s Al-Mawahib. It was also declared Sahih by Imam Al-Khafaji in his explanation of Ash-Shifaa’."

(What follows in the rest of the Arabic is commentary and in summary it concerns the Fiqh of Tawassul.)

Regardless of what people's opinions are, we must recognise that it is extremely dangerous to dismiss people with the words shirk and bid'ah (as is common nowadays). Yes, it may be that some are indeed ignorant as to the real ruling and do overstep bounds, but we must hold our tongues and seek knowledge. For this matter, there IS evidence, so even if someone doesn't agree they cannot dismiss it completely.


Wassalaam, Brother Seeker

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قَالَ رَسُولُ الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "حياتي خير لكم ومماتي خير لكم تحدثون ويحدث لكم، ووفاتي خير لكم تعرض علي أعمالكم فما رأيت من خير حمدت الله عليه وما رأيت من شر استغفرت لكم"، رواه البزار ورجاله رجال الصحيح.

(wa fii riwayah: "حَيَاتي خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ تُحْدِثُونَ وَيُحْدَثُ لَكُمْ ، فَإِذَا كَانَتْ وَفَاتي خَيْراً لَكُمْ ، تُعْرَضُ عَلَيَّ أَعْمَالُكُمْ ، فَإِنْ رَأَيْتُ خَيْراً حَمِدْتُ اللَّهَ ، وَإِنْ رَأَيْتُ شَرًّا اسْتَغْفَرتُ لكُمْ
")

هذا الحديثُ يدلُّ على أن النبي ينفع بعد موته خلافا للوهابية القائلينَ بأنهُ لا ينفع أحد بعد موته، فإنهُ عليه الصلاةُ والسلامُ لما قال: "ومماتي خير لكم" أَفهَمَنَا أنه ينفعنا بعد موته أيضًا بإذنِ الله عزَّ وجلَّ، كما نفعنا موسى عليه السّلامُ ليلة المعراج لما سألَ النَّبيَّ عليهِ الصّلاةُ والسّلامُ: ماذا فرض الله على أمتك؟، فقال له: "خمسين صلاة"، قال: ارجع وسل التخفيف فإني جربت بني إسرائيل فرض عليهم صلاتان فلم يقوموا بهما، فَرجعَ فطلَبَ التَّخفيفَ مرَّةً بعد مرَّةٍ وفي كلّ مرَّةٍ كانَ موسى عليهِ السلامُ يقولُ لهُ: ارجِع فَسَل التّخفيفَ، إلى أن صاروا خمس صلواتٍ بأجرِ خمسينَ، فهل يشكُّ عاقلٌ بنفع موسى عليه السَّلام لهذهِ الأمة هذا النفع العظيم، وقد كانَ موسى توفيَ قبل ليلة المعراج بأكثر من ألف سنة، فهذا عمل بعد الموت نفع به أمةَ محمدٍ صلى الله عليه وسلم.

وأما قولُهُ عليه الصَّلاةُ والسَّلامُ: "تُحدِثُونَ ويُحدَثُ لكُم" فمعناهُ يحصلُ منكم أمورٌ ثم يأتي الحكمُ بطريقِ الوحي مِن رسولِ الله.

ثم يؤكّدُ النبيُّ عليه الصلاةُ والسّلامُ نفعه لأمته بعد وفاته بقولِهِ: "ووفاتي خير لكم تعرض علي أعمالكم فما رأيت من خير حمدت الله عليه وما رأيت من شر استغفرت لكم". ويدل على ذلك ما رواهُ مسلمٌ في حديث المعراج أن كلًّا من الأنبياء الذين لقيَهُم في السماءِ دعا للرسولِ بخيرٍ وهم ثمانية ءادم في الأولى وعيسى ويحيى في الثانيةِ ويوسف في الثالثةِ وإدريس في الرابعةِ وهارون في الخامسةِ وموسى في السادسةِ وإبراهيم في السابعةِ وكل ذلك نفع بعد الموت، فبطل تعلق الوهابية بالاستدلال بحديث البخاري: "إذا مات ابن ءادم انقطع عمله إلا من ثلاث" فإنه بزعمِهِم يمنع الانتفاع بزيارة قبور الأنبياء والأولياء والتوسل بهم. يقال لهم المرادُ بقولهِ عليه السلام "انقطع عمله" أي العمل التكليفي وليس فيه تعرض لما سوى ذلك من نحو نفع التوسل بهم بل فيه ما يدل على خلافِ دعواهم حيث إن فيه أن دعوة الولد الصالح تنفع أباه وليس مراد الرسول بذلك أنه لا ينفع دعاء غير ولده الصالح للميت.

[Malaaikah]

Assalaamualikum,

"And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. "(Surah Al Baqarah, 2:143)

"Certainly there has come to you a Messenger from amongst yourselves, grievous to him is your suffering, ardently anxious is he over you, to the believers he is compassionate and merciful." (Surah Tawbah, 9:128)

So I have a few questions, I know I stated that he sallalhu alayhi wasallam is watching us on the other thread so i need some clarifications: firstly if he sallallahu alayhi wasallam cannot see us how does he know what actions we are doing? Ok so they are given to him by the angels but what about when he salllallahu alayhi wasallam visits us in our dreams? How does he know when to come etc? For example, if you do istikhara and he salllallahu alayhi wasallam comes and gives you an answer in your dream how does he know you asked if he isnt able to see you? Also the same question can be asked with regards to him coming to you in a wakeful state, like how does he know where you are etc lol...

RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said, “Allah made it forbidden on the earth to devour or to eat/decay the flesh of Prophets.”

Also we know that the bodies of awliya and martyrs can also be preserved but what about him salllalahu alayhi wasallam? He is the best of creation, the Beloved of Allah.

[seeker]

Question:
According to the some the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is present everywhere and omni present like ALLAH but some schools say that he is not can you clarify me the TRUE ISLAMIC position on this matter according to traditional Islam as stated in your website Sunni Path. I have recently viewed some articles and it is explained in there that Yes the Prophet SAW is hazir and nazir because he receives darood from angels and also has the power to receive salaam from all the people in the world that is why he is hazir and nazir meaning everywhere all the time...


Answer:

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I am alien to this debate.

Authentic hadiths establish that Allah makes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) aware of the actions of his community. Thus, it is ‘as if’ he were present through his knowing the actions of his community.

This ‘presence’ is not in the physical sense we would understand: it is beyond the limits of the human mind to understand the perfections of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) who, though human, is not like other humans: he is a precious pearl and they mere stones, as the righteous explained.


Nor is this knowledge in any way like the knowledge of Allah: Allah knows absolutely all things, as they were, are and will be, from beginningless eternality, without any acquisition. The knowledge of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is vaster than that of any other human, but is acquired (by Allah’s granting) and is not absolute.

We do not say that Allah is everywhere, though He is with us wherever we are

Note that Sunni scholars do not believe that Allah is physically everywhere, either. Rather, Allah exists beyond both time and space, for both are His creation and the Beginningless Creator is not conditioned by His creation.

Allah is ‘with’ us, and closer to us than our very life blood because He is the One who created us, and is sustaining us through His Will and Power at every moment: if not for Allah’s sustaining us, we and everything else in creation would simply wink out of existence. This is our intrinsic indigence and need for Allah.


We owe our very faith and future felicity to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace), who gave us the gift of Islam from Allah. Given that he is made aware of our actions, we should fulfill the dictates of thankfulness to him, and make our actions sincere and pleasing to Allah, by following the Prophet’s guidance, for it brings joy to the heart of the Beloved of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace).


Wassalam,

Faraz Rabbani


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This website also contains a lot of answers but it's in Arabic: http://www.sunna.info/Tawassul.htm
Its topic is Istighatha and Tawassul, but the proof of such entails a lot of the same proofs with regards to this question.


Is it obligatory to believe that the Prophet (pbuh) is aware of us? If someone doesn't want to believe it, fine. One can abstain from controversial issues and that's not a problem. However, what one MUST believe is that the Prophet (pbuh) is "alive in a way we know not" as the Qur'an says for martyrs. In addition to this, there is strong evidence that his blessed body is fresh. And one should also believe that our salutations are conveyed to him, at the least by means of Angels. These I don't see room for manoeuvre on.

[Nemesis]

 seeker, on 28 April 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

The Hadith is as follows:

"My life is good for you, and my death is good for you; you discuss your matters and you can be informed, and my passing is good for you, for your deeds are presented to me and for that which I see of good, I praise God, and for that which I see of bad, I see forgiveness for you." Reported by Imam al-Bazzaar in his musnad.
Hafidh al-Iraqi says “Its chain is jayyid (good).”
Al-Haythami said “It is reported by Al-Bazzar and its men are the men of the Sahih.”
Imam As-Suyuti declared its chain Sahih in Al-Khasa’is as well as in his takhrij of Ash-Shifaa.
Hafidh Abdullah Al-Ghumari wrote that this chain was Sahih.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Alawi Al-Makki stated in his "Notions that must be corrected": "It was also declared Sahih in Hafidh As-Suyuti in Mu’jizat, as well as Al-Khasa’is, as well as by Al-Qastalani who explained Sahih Al-Bukhari. Al-Munawi stated in Fayd Al-Qadir that it was Sahih, as well as Az-Zurqani in his Sharh of Qastalani’s Al-Mawahib. It was also declared Sahih by Imam Al-Khafaji in his explanation of Ash-Shifaa’."

(What follows in the rest of the Arabic is commentary and in summary it concerns the Fiqh of Tawassul.)

Regardless of what people's opinions are, we must recognise that it is extremely dangerous to dismiss people with the words shirk and bid'ah (as is common nowadays). Yes, it may be that some are indeed ignorant as to the real ruling and do overstep bounds, but we must hold our tongues and seek knowledge. For this matter, there IS evidence, so even if someone doesn't agree they cannot dismiss it completely.


Wassalaam, Brother Seeker

[Aljannah]

Salaam

Like most here I myself am still learning. So I ask for your patience. Also I wouldn't call anyone a Liar here as I've got no evidence to back my theory. But saying all that, I'm looking for the Said Hadith. But can not seem to locate its originality. (me thinks me sources are limited, hence why I can't find it).

Before this thread suffers from any turbulence. Do assure me and fellow members who contribute here, that there are no risks of being nuked with our intentions/mannerisms. Don't want anyone to loose their wigs over this. Just gaining some information. Keeps the mind ticking an all that.

Home Parker.

[seeker]

Just in case you got a bad vibe, you are more than welcome to pose your questions and anything I said about "those people who..." was not directed towards you, but just put for the benefit of those who face such questions.

[Aljannah]

I've grown up a lot since the past two months so your statement has been noted and well yes I didn't assume you were directing it towards me. Thanks for clarifying though