[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Here we go again, in the past few days two new stories of this growing problem of Grooming of underage Girls by Pakistani men has caused me further shame. I am embarrassed of my own community and seeing Pakistani names amongst the accused and their pictures of trying to look all decent. Look at the Photoes of the these Men and you will see what I mean (open the link)

Read for yourselves

http://www.thesun.co...rage-girls.html

http://news.sky.com/...rticle/16195305

[arzooemadinah]

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Fatema-the-resplendent, on 24 March 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Here we go again, in the past few days two new stories of this growing problem of Grooming of underage Girls by Pakistani men has caused me further shame. I am embarrassed of my own community and seeing Pakistani names amongst the accused and their pictures of trying to look all decent. Look at the Photoes of the these Men and you will see what I mean (open the link)

Read for yourselves

http://www.thesun.co...rage-girls.html

http://news.sky.com/...rticle/16195305

I think same topic discussed before and wonder why they cant name one person what are the legal reasons when they can tell others names may be he is a famous man or a bad molvee.

[Fekay]

If slight embarrassment to community is the price we have to pay for justice; then we should be all for it. It's good that these guys are biting the dust soner then later!

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Yeah it has been discussed before but not these two new cases!!

When my friends bring this up it is a cause of deep embarrassment since it sends out the message that Pakistani men have no regard for women and are S. deviants!

I wish there was more our own community was doing to put a stop to this behaviour.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Too right!

It is an embarrassment!

The problem is the self proclaimed so called community leaders are not talking about nor are they condemning such vile behaviour!

Topics like this should be spoken against, such people should be named and shamed in the community. We as a community are good at brushing things under the carpet and the son who has spent 7 years in prison doing time for rape is masqueraded as spending his time in Pakistan in some madrassah.

[qalam]

salam


what do you want the community leaders to do eh?


I am sick and tired of arm chair critics especially in the UK who have nithing better to do than to criticise.


get a life and get up - jokas


dr aq

[The-Mughal-Sister]

qalam, on 24 March 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

salam


what do you want the community leaders to do eh?


I am sick and tired of arm chair critics especially in the UK who have nithing better to do than to criticise.


get a life and get up - jokas


dr aq

Ummm...the clue is in their role...lead the community on such issues which cast a dark cloud over the Pakistani Community?

Speak up and against such vile acts?

Is that too much to ask?

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

qalam, on 24 March 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

salam


what do you want the community leaders to do eh?


I am sick and tired of arm chair critics especially in the UK who have nithing better to do than to criticise.


get a life and get up - jokas


dr aq

Since the problem is a male one, the men should take a lead in solving this community issue. All I can do is speak up against it so one of the guys can take it further. Don't you think there are too many such cases now?

[sunniskeptic]

I agree with FTR -- it is a great shame that some are shaming our community like this; just last week a whole group of men in Oxford were arrested for
sexual abuse and trafficking of girls aged 11 to 16. Of those named some were, inevitably, Pakis.


It is the fruit of three things: being uneducated and school drop-outs and the culture which refers to the indigenous English as
'goray' and think of their women as 'slags' and 'kafir women' and the self-isolation and ghettoisation of Muslim communities due
to our refusal (with some exceptions of course) to integrate and assimilate. It seems as if Pakis and Bangladeshis (and Somalians)
are especially prone to these problems.

My solution is harsh but it will stop the problem: after these people have served their jail sentences (if found guilty of course)
they should be stripped of their British nationalities and shipped back to their countries of origin. This is what Sarkozy is doing
in France and if we did it here, within a short time these despicable criminals would stop doing these things.

[Fekay]

Slave_of_the_Two_Husayns, on 24 March 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

I agree with FTR -- it is a great shame that some are shaming our community like this; just last week a whole group of men in Oxford were arrested for
sexual abuse and trafficking of girls aged 11 to 16. Of those named some were, inevitably, Pakis.


It is the fruit of three things: being uneducated and school drop-outs and the culture which refers to the indigenous English as
'goray' and think of their women as 'slags' and 'kafir women' and the self-isolation and ghettoisation of Muslim communities due
to our refusal (with some exceptions of course) to integrate and assimilate. It seems as if Pakis and Bangladeshis (and Somalians)
are especially prone to these problems.

My solution is harsh but it will stop the problem: after these people have served their jail sentences (if found guilty of course)
they should be stripped of their British nationalities and shipped back to their countries of origin. This is what Sarkozy is doing
in France and if we did it here, within a short time these despicable criminals would stop doing these things.

But what if they were british born?

[Aljannah]

If I was judge, they'd be castrated

[sunniskeptic]

Fekay,

Even if they are British born. It is not hard for a Govt to make a law to strip a person of his or her citizenship for committing serious crimes...!

[Fekay]

Slave_of_the_Two_Husayns, on 24 March 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Fekay,

Even if they are British born. It is not hard for a Govt to make a law to strip a person of his or her citizenship. That is exactly what Sarkozy has done in France.
Even third or fourth, French of Algerian /other stock can now be stripped of their French nationality and deported back to where their ancestors came from.

He did this after young Frenchmen, many of North African stock went on a rioting spree a few years ago in Paris. Suddenly, the violence has dropped!

I doubt uk would have the guts to pass such laws... These guys havent even ban burqa yet so don't expect such laws... france is way ahead of itself.

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Fekay, on 24 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

I doubt uk would have the guts to pass such laws... These guys havent even ban burqa yet so don't expect such laws... france is way ahead of itself.

Actually deportation is not a bad idea, perhaps they can be deported for a specific period of time. 5 years so start with. I'm sure frequent outdoor toilet trips will soon get their heads in order.

[Mudassar-Rana]

Fekay, on 24 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

I doubt uk would have the guts to pass such laws... These guys havent even ban burqa yet so don't expect such laws... france is way ahead of itself.

i was told something like this has happened - where a family left their father (Pakistani) in a bolton hospital and never claimed his body for 3 months after his death. Eventually someone grassed them up as the treatment had cost thousands and when the police raided the house there were about 10 cars parked up! Apparently the whole family was deported!

They might not enact a law because it would tarnish the reputation of britain as a fair player country but they will find loopholes in their own system to do it as britain is one of the few countries that is run on an unwritten constitution.

[Fekay]

Mudassar-Rana, on 24 March 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

i was told something like this has happened - where a family left their father (Pakistani) in a bolton hospital and never claimed his body for 3 months after his death. Eventually someone grassed them up as the treatment had cost thousands and when the police raided the house there were about 10 cars parked up! Apparently the whole family was deported!

They might not enact a law because it would tarnish the reputation of britain as a fair player country but they will find loopholes in their own system to do it as britain is one of the few countries that is run on an unwritten constitution.

But do you think such laws/actions would be limted to just crime or self-interest? My point is, IF such LAW is passed, it could have wider implications then just criminals.

[Mudassar-Rana]

Fekay, on 24 March 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

But do you think such laws/actions would be limted to just crime or self-interest? My point is, IF such LAW is passed, it could have wider implications then just criminals.

Yes bro there would be too many ifs and buts - its a nice threat but in practice it would be seen as unfair law - as if a white english gang were to commit a similar crime would they too be deported somewhere? Perhaps Norway or France!

Also our community being what it is the first people we will get incriminated is our our own relations just to have em sent back and we could gloat! Then there would be the accident management people, the pirs, the maulvi's, the shopkeepers! Soon there wouldnt be anyone left and EDL and BNP would be laughing all the way to the bank!

[Brother_MGS]

This is pure filth, I hope they get lengthy jail sentences to the point they begin to rot inside. Whats the point in deporting them?
Atleast here there is a solid law system that can give them the punishment they deserve. In Pakistan it will be a walk in the park and just for a second imagine how many underage they will be able to peform their filth on with ease without the need to use alcohol.

Ive never understood why men feel the need to rape, If the urge is that bad (taking into consideration these men were probably married) why not pay for a prostitute?

[Fekay]

Brother_MGS, on 24 March 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

This is pure filth, I hope they get lengthy jail sentences to the point they begin to rot inside. Whats the point in deporting them?
Atleast here there is a solid law system that can give them the punishment they deserve. In Pakistan it will be a walk in the park and just for a second imagine how many underage they will be able to peform their filth on with ease without the need to use alcohol.

Ive never understood why men feel the need to rape, If the urge is that bad (taking into consideration these men were probably married) why not pay for a prostitute?

What about north waziristan?

[Mudassar-Rana]

Our actions whether it be that of the nutters of al muhajiroun or those depraved within our communities give breeding ground for the likes of EDL and BNP. Today it was announced that the EDL will form a political party to stand at election whose ideology is anti muslim.

http://in.news.yahoo...-202418735.html