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Bahrain Conflict What the saudi mullah fail to address.

Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:58 AM (#1) User is offline   Fekay 

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Why isn't this plastered all over the media, are these NOT people? WHy is the west pretending this doesn't exist?? The hypos of saud on one hand are opressing bahrain and on other aggressive on democracy in syria.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:02 AM (#2) User is offline   Fekay 

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Human Rights Watch (HRW) has called for the release of hundreds of Bahraini pro-democracy activists arrested after last year's uprising and for all charges against them to be dropped.

'Grossly unfair military and civilian trials have been a core element in Bahrain's crackdown on pro-democracy protests,' HRW said. Cases 'against everyone convicted on politically motivated charges' should be dropped.

The New York-based group also called for the release of at least four Shi'ite protest leaders who remain in prison for expressing anti-government sentiments and demanding political reform.

According to HRW, hundreds of Bahraini activists have been tried in special military courts set up after King Hamad declared a quasi state of emergency last March as his security forces crushed a month-long uprising in Manama.

The rights group said that by October, all the special military court cases had been transferred to civilian courts.

But 'egregious violations of fair trial rights in political cases' continued in Bahrain's criminal justice system 'with serious systemic problems,' despite government pledges to reform, HRW said.

'Serious abuses included denying defendants the right to counsel and to present a defence, and failure to investigate credible allegations of torture and ill-treatment,' it said, citing a 94-page report on judicial violations.

The report is based on 50 interviews with defendants, lawyers and observers as well as examination of court documents.

Earlier this month, Amnesty International said Bahrain's government had failed to implement human rights reforms demanded by an independent commission which investigated the crackdown.

They said the government was still 'far from delivering the human rights changes' recommended by the Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry (BICI).

The BICI report was commissioned by the king last June after the violence left 35 people dead and triggered international pressure on the ruling Sunni dynasty.

Near daily protests have continued in Shi'ite neighbourhoods of the kingdom, with the main opposition formation, Al-Wefaq, charging that 'violations' by the authorities have been on the rise.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:06 AM (#3) User is offline   objective-enquirer 

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yes, and what about Yemen? the 30 year rule of the president who oppressed his people, killed, tortured etc. yet he gets his medical in Saudia and now to USA...where was the UN when the protesters were being killed in Yemen? similarly Bahrain is a minority monarchy..where is the call for democarcy there? the point is that it is all about self-interest. it is not about justice or democracy. american interests are protected with the yemeni and bahraini status quo whereas libya and syria do not serve the american interests. saudis should be named ghulam-e-america. there should be exactly the same standard for all. yemen and syria both are similar in situations. this alone exposes the saudis and the americans. why does UN not say a word about Israeli nuclear weapons? and it continuously talks about Iran...where is the equal measure of justice??
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:23 AM (#4) User is offline   Mudassar-Rana 

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And what of the muslim that expects justice from shaitan? And what of the muslim that expects shaitan to appear always as shaitan? La Ilaha illal la - is the easiest thing to say and the hardest thing to acheive.
my brothers are those who will believe in me, without having seen me.” [Ahmad, Musnad]

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:52 AM (#5) User is offline   Fekay 

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Saudi Arabia takes it's orders from Tel Aviv and Uncle SAM, Bahrain Government hosts USA's largest fleet, not a-word will get out about people of bahrain.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:00 PM (#6) User is offline   Fekay 

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http://alwefaq.net/i...article&id=6168

Bahrain security forces fall beyond moral boundaries reflecting their corrupted doctrine
Al-Wefaq: Security forces repeatedly attack women in a fearless systematic behavior


In its statement al-Wefaq National Islamic Society highlighted the level of security forces' moral decay which has exceeded boundaries and reflects the corrupted doctrine which Bassiouni's report went about indicating a need for "training on the use of force and should be consistent with the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials."

These security personnel who are mostly foreigners lack any religious, humanitarian or national determent.


The society drew attention to the Cabinet Ministers stand today exonerating its forces in an emotional reaction that only reflected their mentality to abuse women.


This only leaves us to confirm with no doubt that this government lacks legitimacy and people's trust and presentation, as more than sixty people have been killed and thousands of human right violations have took place during its administration, still it did not take a single stand against all this. Such a government can no longer continue to rule the country in a revenging manner.


The regime was supposed to take tough measures against its security forces and intelligence services in cases where they attack citizens rather than giving them legal immunity for committing more crimes.


Al-Wefaq stressed the need of serious international community stand to protect unarmed civilians in Bahrain who live under the mercy of immoral and inhuman forces backed by government sponsored militias
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:27 PM (#7) User is offline   qalam 

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salam

why is every one so emotionial ?


saudi is a hypocrite state yes - agree but nothing can be done about it.

Tmorrow in king saud university theres a conference about the furtjre or syria and bahrain - more brainwashing about muslims


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:51 PM (#8) User is offline   Fekay 

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View Postqalam, on 02 March 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

salam

why is every one so emotionial ?


saudi is a hypocrite state yes - agree but nothing can be done about it.

Tmorrow in king saud university theres a conference about the furtjre or syria and bahrain - more brainwashing about muslims


dr aq


Not emotional bro, just disturbed at the fact of HOW, west can get the average muslim and scholars to bend over at command. Either it's open hypocrisy or these guys are just being herded like sheep from one corner to another to ONLY serve to interests.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 04:43 AM (#9) User is offline   qalam 

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salam

sorry but no one cares about bahrain.
especially the saudis they are content with their philipino maids who they abuse, and their kabsa.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:05 AM (#10) User is offline   warea 

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Removing one evil whereby a greater evil a.k.a shia tyranny, enters into the scene is fallicious.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:13 AM (#11) User is offline   qalam 

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View Postwarea, on 03 March 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Removing one evil whereby a greater evil a.k.a shia tyranny, enters into the scene is fallicious.



salam

very cheap tactic there - to label shias as a greater evil. compared to what exactly? The snake that is aal saud


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:15 PM (#12) User is offline   warea 

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The Bahrain regime is not al saud, despite they being allied. And al saud is not something you can do blanket generalisation. Knowing the effects that would occur when a pro ayatollah shia takes power in Bahrain, I don't see any reason why sunni's should give in. Especially when thousands are being murdered in Syria in coalition with the Shias. Its better to work with the Sunni regime and bring more open rights to shias rather then overthrow the system and allow Iranian imperialism to bully Sunnis. If the shia are too hooked up in their neo-communist ayatollah revolutionery doctrines and want to turn bahrain into a Iraq, then I don't mind if Sunnis from other parts of gulf flood to Bahrain and make shias a irrelevent minority.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:52 PM (#13) User is offline   Fekay 

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View Postwarea, on 03 March 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

The Bahrain regime is not al saud, despite they being allied. And al saud is not something you can do blanket generalisation. Knowing the effects that would occur when a pro ayatollah shia takes power in Bahrain, I don't see any reason why sunni's should give in. Especially when thousands are being murdered in Syria in coalition with the Shias. Its better to work with the Sunni regime and bring more open rights to shias rather then overthrow the system and allow Iranian imperialism to bully Sunnis. If the shia are too hooked up in their neo-communist ayatollah revolutionery doctrines and want to turn bahrain into a Iraq, then I don't mind if Sunnis from other parts of gulf flood to Bahrain and make shias a irrelevent minority.


Well I guess it’s perfectly fine to be a hypocrite when the outcome serves your sectarian agenda eh? Shia’s by default EVIL, oppressed or oppressors; Sunni by default innocent oppressed or oppressors. The irony of it all is, it’s the Sunni’s who seem to have their heads 90 degress up western ass(who have decimiated muslims around the globe) whereas shia’s are standing their ground with backbone and some testicles.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:00 AM (#14) User is offline   Qadri-Jilani 

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The story of the Arab revolution that was abandoned by the Arabs, forsaken by the West and forgotten by the world.

Must-see Documentary on Bahrain

Be sure to check out this outstanding Al Jazeera documentary that chronicles the peaceful movement for democratic reform in Bahrain and the brutal response from the Bahraini and Saudi governments.

The Bahraini government has essentially kept all international journalists critical of the regime out of the country for months. Apparently one or two Al Jazeera reporters remained and filmed undercover, without using most of the interviews and footage until now, to avoid being expelled from the country. The result is a riveting look at a tragedy mostly hidden from the world until now – the facts have been known, but this kind of firsthand video coverage of the faces and personalities in Bahrain that have been systematically and violently targeted for months has until now been unavailable.

Many have criticized Al Jazeera this spring for not giving the Bahraini uprising and the ruthless government response the same kind of coverage it gave Egypt or Libya, presumably because of the the Qatari government’s close ties to Saudi and Bahrain and its membership in the GCC. Better late than never, though I hope that Al Jazeera-Arabic will soon give Bahrain the same kind of attention that its English counterpart has now done




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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:25 AM (#15) User is offline   warea 

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If you think dying for "democracy" will get u to heaven, ur living in some other world, not islam. There is no hypocrisy in opposing the people of bidah. You should go read what the hadiths say. Just as a sinner who is Muslim is better than a mushrik saint, same would be the stand of a sinning sunni with regards to people of bidah who question the authenticity of Quran and reject the hadiths reported by Sunnis and other kufr beliefs.

Islam is not submission to democracy or liberalism. It is submission to God. What then is better submission to God? Allowing and facilitating kufr beliefs of shia to take leadership of Sunni Muslims ?
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 04:56 AM (#16) User is offline   Aljannah 

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Lol if you guys can't tame your anger or bitterness towards each other on a mere forum, how on Gods Green Land will we ever be able to sort them devastating issues? Imagine for a second, if those Muslims (who are targeted today), swapped places with you, what would your reaction be? Do you think that brother or sister, that sits on your computer chair now, will sit behind a screen and talk 'hate talk' like this. I know I wouldn't. I'd be grateful I was given a second chance. Do as much good for myself and others as possible.

You know when I see these types of arguments online. You know what I think. I think we are not those Men or Women who are worthy of our positions in this life. It's sickening. To watch day after day, if Muslims are not being killed/raped/tortured its on-line fights like these that spew up every time you mention a sect in Islam.

Shame on you all. Sorry if it offended you. It was MEANT to now stop this Bukwas and find solutions, stop comparing sizes like your some kids from school. If he's doing his Islam wrong. Advice him modestly. If he thinks he's right what he's doing. Let him. He'll answer for his own deeds. You look after your own, and let them look after their own? If there is such a thing. But at least be civil with one another eh? Manners are free, take the right intention and attitude where ever you are going. May save a life or two.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 05:05 AM (#17) User is offline   warea 

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Also could someone explain what exactly was the "oppression" carried out by the Sunni regime prior to the start of shia rebellion?
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 06:48 AM (#18) User is offline   qalam 

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View Postwarea, on 04 March 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

Also could someone explain what exactly was the "oppression" carried out by the Sunni regime prior to the start of shia rebellion?


salam

well how about

deliberate alteratio of the demographics by the ruling regime by bringin in people from makinland africa and jordan soasto make the sunni stats look inflated.

Forced evictions of shias from their densley populated areas so asto again, alterthe demographics.

A policy of giving jobs based on their sectarianism rather than their ability to do that job


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:31 PM (#19) User is offline   Qadri-Jilani 

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Warea, who exactly is Sunni (that we should be supporting)?

Secondly, if there is no place democracy, then what is the place for a secular monarchy in Islam?

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 06:45 PM (#20) User is offline   warea 

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View PostQadri-Jilani, on 04 March 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Warea, who exactly is Sunni (that we should be supporting)?

Secondly, if there is no place democracy, then what is the place for a secular monarchy in Islam?



The Bahraini sunnis among whom plenty of traditional orthodox Sunni Muslims and ulema exist.

Whether domocracy or secular monarchy, it is God that is supreme. Our forbidding of evil would be with respect to the supremacy of God and not democracy.or any monarchy. Watever the form of govt. is, as a Muslim they have duty to submit to God and serve God with the power and authority they have. If within the God given rights, the rights of shia have been violated, we should work towards correcting the mistakes. But it would be blunder to correct a mistake by making a bigger mistake of turning the country into ayatollahs puppet.
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