[Halaku]

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[sunniskeptic]

The Pakistani people are under daily stress of load-shedding, corruption from A to Z, the shackles of poverty, etc. Please have rahmat on them and let them buy their loved
ones a card or flowers if they want. Remember, the principle of Islam is permissibility unless explicitly forbidden. Where in the hadith or Koran does it say celebrate Pakistan
Day? Will you stop that next?

Stop being kill-joys!

[The-Mughal-Sister]

The amount of anti-valentine material I have come across is amazing! So much people against love. If we as Muslims promoted love, half of our problems would be solved.

Love is not only in haraam forms, with gher mard and gher females, but families, friends, why can't we celebrate a day of love where you share time, moments, memories with people you love, doesn't have to be a romantic love, but love itself.

I suggest we call it Rumi Day, because he was the master of love! Sorry, I may sound deluded but I'm in love, with Rumi and his sweet words of intoxication, I want to drown into love and trampoline closer to Allah swt!


“Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”
~rumi~

This post has been edited by The-Mughal-Sister: 13 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

[Know-the-Ledge]

Tms sometimes I wonder if you actually had any marbles to lose. Because you've lost the plot again.

[piara-madinah]

Nothing wrong celebrating the day but depend how one celebrate, sasi panon , sohni mahiwal , heer ranjha etc yeh bhi piar ki dastanen thi ya sirf valantine day english tehwar hay .kisi ko phool denasay mohabat ziada hi hoty hay .

[piara-madinah]

molve sahub yeh to batayen kay yeh news kider ai hay kay uk main 39 hamilah hoi hain girls because of valanetine day , wesy uder yeh kaam nahe hota or kis mulk ki baat ker rahy hain app jo app ka media dikha raha hay kiya yeh sab valantine day ki wajha say hay behayi etc, fabrication kerna bund kareen or Allah say taubha kareen.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

 Know-The-Ledge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Tms sometimes I wonder if you actually had any marbles to lose. Because you've lost the plot again.

You cynic! Leave the sandal wearing hippies alone!

Free love and peace and that!

Ps, my post got voted good, so I must be talking sense.

This post has been edited by The-Mughal-Sister: 13 February 2012 - 09:38 PM

[Mudassar-Rana]

 piara-madinah, on 13 February 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Nothing wrong celebrating the day but depend how one celebrate, sasi panon , sohni mahiwal , heer ranjha etc yeh bhi piar ki dastanen thi ya sirf valantine day english tehwar hay .kisi ko phool denasay mohabat ziada hi hoty hay .

hit the nail on the head sis.

kawa chalaa hans ki chaal apni chaal bhool gaya. that sums our people our nation up.

[Know-the-Ledge]

 The-Mughal-Sister, on 13 February 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

You cynic! Leave the sandal wearing hippies alone!

Free love and peace and that!

Ps, my post got voted good, so I must be talking sense.

*gasps* Seems tms loves valentine more than palestine!

Fekay belt up strap up, get your halwa down ya. I'll be on my laptop tomorrow.

[Luhif]

How many of us actually know when is Rumi's day? meaning His urs day? nada! So we have to celebrate it on 14th of feb because we are trying so hard to go down the hole where we have been ordered not to go down with Christians and Jews.Before you start attacking me and labelling me, I am not against love and all but is that the only day that we have to express it?

Husbands and wives should express this every second let alone everyday, thats Islam! not only on some random day when a non muslim teaches you that you should celebrate on this day.We all know what goes on on this day.

Let me ask a simple question, Would Prophet(peace be upon Him) allow to celebrate such a day(considering the history of this day and where it came from)? there you have your answer.

We learn everything from our Master so learn how He(peace be upon Him) expressed his love to his wives.Did he celebrate it on 14th safar or feb? He constantly expressed love in all of his actions to all of his wives and everybody! That is love! Love is what was between Him and Khadijah(may Allah be pleased with her).
Love is what Hazrat Ali(may Allah be pleased with him) and Hazrat Fatimah(may Allah be pleased with her) had in between them.Did they ever choose a day to express their love?

Its sad that we have to choose a day to express our love.

A question to our sisters, would you rather get a flower every day/week or on 14th feb each year?

If we want to teach non muslims about love then we dont have to do what they do to 'fit in' but we have to show what love really is through our actions.Rumi was lost in the love of God not love for another Human and that is why he achieved what he achieved because of the love for God.

[badman]

Salams,

hmmmm....... 'Oh Aaj Mausam Bada, Beimaan Hai Bada, Beimaan Hai Aaj Mausam , Oh Aaj Mausam, Bada, Beimaan Hai Bada, Beimaan Hai, Aaj Mausam ,,,,,......' (Wah Rafi Saab Wah)
......(La Hawla Wala Quatta) No No (stroking my big beard which i dont have) Ishq de gali vich No Entry! lolz

@ Luhif (you mean well) but not every couple can follow the Best of Examples everyday ( Best of Creations to ever walk on Earth) I do not know of any couple who have never argued in their lives! everybody argues (living under one roof - sharing the same bed - more than not - one will always have something to say to another)

I along with many on here and 100's n 100's of millions and millions of muslims around the world dont find anything bad in valentines, the way I look at it is if ones done a wrong to a Wife or a Husband then try to make it up on this day (look around us - the society we're living in (valentines day) its part of us) tho I do also agree that many days should be a valentines day!!! but then again if everyday was a valentines day am sure it would get a bit boring after a while!


Hmmm.... now if I can finish my song off.....
koi maal se gaya koi taal se gaya
koi jaan se gaya koi jahaan se gaya
lut gayi lut gayi sari country
ishq di galli vich no entry
ishq di galli vich no entry
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no entry
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no entry (I was quite impressed with Abu Qatadah's beard last night on the news - the wind just breezed through his beard - amazing)

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

 Luhif, on 14 February 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

How many of us actually know when is Rumi's day? meaning His urs day? nada! So we have to celebrate it on 14th of feb because we are trying so hard to go down the hole where we have been ordered not to go down with Christians and Jews.Before you start attacking me and labelling me, I am not against love and all but is that the only day that we have to express it?

Husbands and wives should express this every second let alone everyday, thats Islam! not only on some random day when a non muslim teaches you that you should celebrate on this day.We all know what goes on on this day.

Let me ask a simple question, Would Prophet(peace be upon Him) allow to celebrate such a day(considering the history of this day and where it came from)? there you have your answer.

We learn everything from our Master so learn how He(peace be upon Him) expressed his love to his wives.Did he celebrate it on 14th safar or feb? He constantly expressed love in all of his actions to all of his wives and everybody! That is love! Love is what was between Him and Khadijah(may Allah be pleased with her).
Love is what Hazrat Ali(may Allah be pleased with him) and Hazrat Fatimah(may Allah be pleased with her) had in between them.Did they ever choose a day to express their love?

Its sad that we have to choose a day to express our love.

A question to our sisters, would you rather get a flower every day/week or on 14th feb each year?

If we want to teach non muslims about love then we dont have to do what they do to 'fit in' but we have to show what love really is through our actions.Rumi was lost in the love of God not love for another Human and that is why he achieved what he achieved because of the love for God.

Excellent post, can not argue with it.

But imagine not getting flowers on any day of the year? Now that is the reality of many loveless marriages these days so Girls love valentines day atleast they get some flowers!!

[The-Mughal-Sister]

 Fatema-the-resplendent, on 14 February 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Excellent post, can not argue with it.

But imagine not getting flowers on any day of the year? Now that is the reality of many loveless marriages these days so Girls love valentines day atleast they get some flowers!!

Exactly!

Now guys stop spoiling everything and allow us to get whisked off our feet, ik din hi sahii!

[Know-the-Ledge]

 Fatema-the-resplendent, on 14 February 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

But imagine not getting flowers on any day of the year? Now that is the reality of many loveless marriages these days so Girls love valentines day atleast they get some flowers!!

Tum ne har kisi ki shaadi ka tekha liya hai? From your posts it would seem like it.

If someone is in a loveless marriage then that's symptomatic of issues more complex than the celebrating or lack of, of a day which is an aberration from islam.

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[Know-the-Ledge]

 The-Mughal-Sister, on 14 February 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Exactly!

Now guys stop spoiling everything and allow us to get whisked off our feet, ik din hi sahii!

Your posts are non-sensical and have done nothing to address Luhifs points, apart from an emotional opinion, which does nothing to persuade anyone and emotions are an absolute wreck these days anyway.

As can be witnessed from you twos insistence on making this a gender issue...is there anything in this world that isn't a gender issue for you two?

Observing Valentines is haraam. Let's leave the gender of the poster and your feminist crusades out of this and discuss in a manner of debate, not persecution complexes where guys are evil and women are perfect.

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[Fatema-the-resplendent]

 Know-The-Ledge, on 14 February 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Tum ne har kisi ki shaadi ka tekha liya hai? From your posts it would seem like it.

If someone is in a loveless marriage then that's symptomatic of issues more complex than the celebrating or lack of, of a day which is an aberration from islam.

Do I think flowers solve the complex issue of marriages? No, And I don't see how you have come to think that conclusion from my post. Wouldn't flowers fall into the same category as a smile? An act of kindness which finds itself rooted in the essence of a happy union.

As for worrying about people's marriage and happiness; yes I worry for people and I suppose this is more Islamic then taking Valentines day out of the Islamic calendar.

KTL, I actually think you are very emotional because you have a habit of jumping to your own conclusions and address people with a bitter tongue; ofcourse I find that a little distasteful.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

 Know-The-Ledge, on 14 February 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Your posts are non-sensical and have done nothing to address Luhifs points, apart from an emotional opinion, which does nothing to persuade anyone and emotions are an absolute wreck these days anyway.

As can be witnessed from you twos insistence on making this a gender issue...is there anything in this world that isn't a gender issue for you two?

Observing Valentines is haraam. Let's leave the gender of the poster and your feminist crusades out of this and discuss in a manner of debate, not persecution complexes where guys are evil and women are perfect.

Observing valentines is harraam?

Now we're getting into the nitty gritty of this post! Who said it's harram? Where are the Hadith references, the Quraanic text that say, showering love on your halaal spouse wrong!

What gets my goat is silly nonsensical texts, which have no backbone, no substance send around like a dirty disease which do nothing but to cause confusion.

Yes offering one another with gestures may do nothing to help a couple but come on, it's a start, it's something better being a grumpy Scrooge and complaining like a bear with a sore head!

Luhif's post is nothing but mere opinion, his thoughts, which he is entitled to, why should I argue someone's opinion. We all have our view. I have not once been confronted with solid evidences, just rants, opinions, lies and childish text!

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[blogger]

Luhif I find your post a little contradictory ...

 Luhif, on 14 February 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

How many of us actually know when is Rumi's day? meaning His urs day? nada!

Why is it so vital to know the Urs day of Mawlana Rumi or any other Awliya? one can choose to commemorate whenever one wishes, why place a restriction and emphasis on a particular date? (as per your argument in opposition to valentines day).

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A question to our sisters, would you rather get a flower every day/week or on 14th feb each year?

Although, I don't agree with the actual date of Feb 14th I don't see any harm in setting aside a day to express your love and gratitude to another person be it birthdays, Urs, anniversaries etc. We can quite easliy apply the same argument proposed by Luhif to our Mawlid celebrations. Why do we set aside Rabi-ul-Awwal and the 12th in particular to express our love for our beloved Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam shouldn't it be celebrated with the same vigour everyday of our lives?

Would you rather present the same amount of durood everyday or increase it only in Rabi-ul-Awwal and the months leading up to it?

[Know-the-Ledge]

You said girls love Valentines because 'atleast they get some flowers'.

What makes you think Valentines would suddenly be an impetus for someone to buy flowers despite being 'loveless' 364 days of the year? But more to the point and what is the annoying intimation within that statement is that the 'lovelessness' is the guys fault, I didn't see you say 'guys love Valentines because atleast they get a meal cooked with love for once'. But then that's the folly of people who choose to learn love off people who sleep with their dogs whilst packing their mums off to care homes.

People can solve their marriage issues without us endorsing the observation of a day which has no ambit or condition that you must be married to observe it, it's a day which encourages licentious and extra-marital relations at it's essence and is an aberration from Islamic values. Loveless marriages can be dealt with by the adults concerned, there's no rhyme or reason in suggesting putting Valentines in the Calendar will do even a gnats wing worth of good.

I think you are bitter against men as every issue seems to turn into a crusade against men or some undertone which looks to demean men. It's rather distasteful aswell. We were discussing 'valentines' yet tms aswell for some unbeknown reason had to make it a gender issue and how the lads are being oppressive when i've seen and heard many girls speaking vehemently against it.

Feminism is all good in its place, but it becomes a mockery when you get stuck like a scratched cd in it.

[Know-the-Ledge]

@ blogger & tms

No we can't apply the same argument to urs or mawlid, because Valentines encourages and legitimises haraam at its very spirit and it shows a lack of imagination when you have to follow Atheists and pagans in their practises which like a lizard going into a hole, something which RasoolAllah forbade; but you want to today legitimise a day of pagan and secular roots and observe it?

Mawlid is rooted in islamic values, show me where unmarried people flirting, dating and physically touching is endorsed? The essence of Valentines is noxious, corrupt, haraam and a practise on a day which has not been made auspicious by God. Loveless marriages and what might or might not happen if we put Valentines in the islamic calendar is a red-herring and has no value in determining the place of Valentines in the islamic calendar

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