[Ashiq--e--Rasool]

Assalamoalaikum,

What do you think? Is this because lack of Islamic teachings/values during upbringing that the girls got involved in such activities (if its true)?
Would like to hear your views on the cause and action (taken by family members) of this issue.


KINGSTON, Ontario (AP) — A jury on Sunday found three members of an Afghan family guilty of killing three teenage sisters and another woman in what the judge described as "cold-blooded, shameful murders" resulting from a "twisted concept of honor," ending a case that shocked and riveted Canadians.

Prosecutors said the defendants allegedly killed the three teenage sisters because they dishonored the family by defying its disciplinarian rules on dress, dating, socializing and using the Internet......

http://news.yahoo.co...-202441543.html

[Fekay]

Ashiq--e--Rasool, on 30 January 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Assalamoalaikum,

What do you think? Is this because lack of Islamic teachings/values during upbringing that the girls got involved in such activities (if its true)?
Would like to hear your views on the cause and action (taken by family members) of this issue.


KINGSTON, Ontario (AP) — A jury on Sunday found three members of an Afghan family guilty of killing three teenage sisters and another woman in what the judge described as "cold-blooded, shameful murders" resulting from a "twisted concept of honor," ending a case that shocked and riveted Canadians.

Prosecutors said the defendants allegedly killed the three teenage sisters because they dishonored the family by defying its disciplinarian rules on dress, dating, socializing and using the Internet......

http://news.yahoo.co...-202441543.html

Both, two sides of the same coin; two extremes clashing. The girls had it coming!

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Fekay, on 30 January 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Both, two sides of the same coin; two extremes clashing. The girls had it coming!

Why did the Girls have it coming? Do you think the same treatment is meted out to a man doing the same thing, NO why? Oh yes it's because he is a man and guys are free to sin as they please. Pathetic.

The problem with the family's sense of honour is that the Girls carried it primarily on their shoulders. Ofcourse for 'such' girls the only thing which can redeem the fallen honour is their death. Yes that makes perfect sense because you have removed the problem and in the process defamed Islam, defamed your Afghani nationalism and defamed humanity. Thanks to people like these Muslims are seen as a bunch of intolerant honour swinging Murderers.

I just don't understand why not just distance yourself from your Children if you feel they are doing bad, why must you kill them to redeem this invisible sense of honour?

The girls may have been doing sin, but now the Dad, Mother and Brother are murderers, you tell me who carries more sin on their shoulders now?

[technocore]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 30 January 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Why did the Girls have it coming? Do you think the same treatment is meted out to a man doing the same thing, NO why? Oh yes it's because he is a man and guys are free to sin as they please. Pathetic.

Afsoos ... bandoon ko kabi kisi ney is qabil hi nahi samjah key un kay saath "ghar ki izzat" (honour) ka title lagey.


The problem with the family's sense of honour is that the Girls carried it primarily on their shoulders. Ofcourse for 'such' girls the only thing which can redeem the fallen honour is their death. Yes that makes perfect sense because you have removed the problem and in the process defamed Islam, defamed your Afghani nationalism and defamed humanity. Thanks to people like these Muslims are seen as a bunch of intolerant honour swinging Murderers.

I just don't understand why not just distance yourself from your Children if you feel they are doing bad, why must you kill them to redeem this invisible sense of honor?

Arey bagi samjha karien ... un bachiyon ki adhi akharat tu kharab ho hi chuki thi ... baqi adhi bachaney key liye amma abba ne dunya se chalta kiya ...

The girls may have been doing sin, but now the Dad, Mother and Brother are murderers, you tell me who carries more sin on their shoulders now?

waise y is everyone getting so sentimental over this. There are thousands of murders in the world every day ... do you think they are all jayez and ethically correct ....

[sunniskeptic]

The barbarians who killed the girls should be lined up against a wall and shot.
I hope they get treated really badly in jail and become some tough guys 'bitch'.
That'll teach them.

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As to the question by brother AeR,
I think it is the fault of the parents. Our parents, as a rule, tend to be superstrict on girls and let guys do what they want.
They live physically in the West but have the attitudes and ethics of the most backwards areas of the East. The result is
stuff like this. If you have so much 'izzat' get lost out of here and go and live in your bloody villages and stop giving all the
rest of us Muslims a bad name.

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Fekay, bro you need serious help.Attitudes like yours make me want to vomit.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Fekay, on 30 January 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Both, two sides of the same coin; two extremes clashing. The girls had it coming!

Ill informed response!

God give me strength!

[technocore]

A technical question:
In a country where adultry is a norm of life, what is a muslims responsibility from shariya prospective if his child still under his supervision gets into this habit ?

[Fekay]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 30 January 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Why did the Girls have it coming? Do you think the same treatment is meted out to a man doing the same thing, NO why? Oh yes it's because he is a man and guys are free to sin as they please. Pathetic.

The problem with the family's sense of honour is that the Girls carried it primarily on their shoulders. Ofcourse for 'such' girls the only thing which can redeem the fallen honour is their death. Yes that makes perfect sense because you have removed the problem and in the process defamed Islam, defamed your Afghani nationalism and defamed humanity. Thanks to people like these Muslims are seen as a bunch of intolerant honour swinging Murderers.

I just don't understand why not just distance yourself from your Children if you feel they are doing bad, why must you kill them to redeem this invisible sense of honour?

The girls may have been doing sin, but now the Dad, Mother and Brother are murderers, you tell me who carries more sin on their shoulders now?

When extremes clash, people die. Simple! I'd have it coming too if i lived amongst such family and attempted to rebel against their wishes!

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[Know-the-Ledge]

I argued against vigilantism to little avail against members on here who shared fekays opinion some time back...

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Fekay, on 30 January 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

When extremes clash, people die. Simple! I'd have it coming too if i lived amongst such family and attempted to rebel against their wishes!

A

So does that make it right?

Her family held extreme views and she rebelled, so it's ok for them to bury her alive?

She had it coming and she deserved it?

This post has been edited by The-Mughal-Sister: 30 January 2012 - 11:39 PM

[Fekay]

The-Mughal-Sister, on 30 January 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

So does that make it right?

Nope, never said it did.

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Her family held extreme views and she rebelled, so it's ok for them to bury her alive?

Mixing up threads. I havent replied to that thread yet.

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She had it coming and she deserved it?

Had it coming? Yes! Deserved it? NO, but did play an important role in own murder. LIKE two extremes clashing.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Fekay, on 30 January 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Nope, never said it did.



Mixing up threads. I havent replied to that thread yet.




Had it coming? Yes! Deserved it? NO, but did play an important role in own murder. LIKE two extremes clashing.

She's their child.

Parents are supposed to protect their child are they not? Not bury them alive.

Instead of shoving her 6 feet under what about talking to their child, who was obviously rebellious and needed some parental guidance.

Is it me, or has the world turned upside down?

Dad I want to go out!
No! You can't!

But Dad there is a party, I have to go!
No! Go to your room!

I hate you, you make me sick! Go to hell!

Rahim, Jahil, Kudos come here my strapping sons get the shovels and start digging in the garden, this rebellious brazen daughter needs to suck on soil to make her see sense!

This post has been edited by The-Mughal-Sister: 31 January 2012 - 12:16 AM

[Fekay]

The-Mughal-Sister, on 31 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

She's their child.

Parents are supposed to protect their child are they not? Not bury them alive.

Instead of shoving her 6 feet under what about talking to their child, who was obviously rebellious and needed some parental guidance.

Is it me, or has the world turned upside down?

Correct I agree, but in this case they were extreme.

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Dad I want to go out!
No! You can't!

But Dad there is a party, I have to go!
No! Go to your room!

I hate you, you make me sick! Go to hell!

Rahim, Jahil, Kudos come here my strapping sons get the shovels and start digging in the garden, this rebellious brazen daughter needs to suck on soil to make her see sense!
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Again another extreme; so I rest my case.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Fekay, on 31 January 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Correct I agree, but in this case they were extreme.



Again another extreme; so I rest my case.

You rest your case very easily don't you after making ill informed comments like she had it coming to her, or earning women are dangerous to men.

You been hanging out with Qalaam again?

[Fekay]

The-Mughal-Sister, on 31 January 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

You rest your case very easily don't you after making ill informed comments like she had it coming to her, or earning women are dangerous to men.

You been hanging out with Qalaam again?

Again, I’m afraid have to disagree with you. My comments were very technical in nature; NOT fit for minds SLAVE to emotion!!!!

Usually such mentalities responsible for honour killings(and all the other killings) ect... aren’t developed over night; they’re the result of deep rooted insecurities which have dominated female worshipping cultures for centuries; passed down from generation to generation... Women have been physically beaten, whipped, stoned, buried alive, tortured with acid and killed! Till now they still take place; it’s a very evident paradigm but many STILL feel the NEED to push the boundaries, stepping into a tug of war scenario knowing ‘full-well’ the most likely aftermath. In such cases; only one side wins!

Two extremes clashing: Primitive father and a daughter with boyfriend. It’s a chain reaction! What do you THINK will happen?
Both, two sides of the same coin; two extremes clashing. The girls had it coming! Don't need a pir to tell you that!

Also I disagree with you about earning women being dangerous; I never said such, nor do I believe it!! It’s rather complex from my point-of-view.

You been hanging out with Qalaam again?

I think it’s unfair you mention Bro Qalaam in any condescending manner; he’s a very valued user, a Critical thinker from the very begining when this site was still debating Wahabis and Deobandis. Hes probably started more threads encourging debate then ANYONE on here. He deserves more credit then he gets.

[Fekay]

sunniskeptic, on 30 January 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

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Fekay, bro you need serious help.Attitudes like yours make me want to vomit.

Oh i'm sure you've made plenty of people vomit...

[Malaaikah]

lolllll omdz bro Fekay you make me laugh. You are joking right?

(Im sorry Im supposed to be on my break but couldnt stop myself any longer, I purchased a new laptop and I just wanted to test it out on here.. )

Just want to say sometimes you have a choice of either killing yourself or get killed by trying to save yourself.

I'll go back into a hiding now tara.

[Fekay]

Malaaikah, on 31 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

lolllll omdz bro Fekay you make me laugh. You are joking right?

(Im sorry Im supposed to be on my break but couldnt stop myself any longer, I purchased a new laptop and I just wanted to test it out on here.. )

Just want to say sometimes you have a choice of either killing yourself or get killed by trying to save yourself.

I'll go back into a hiding now tara.

You have to be more specific otherwise I might have to disagree with you. I agree with red if it means saving yourself from one extreme only to become the other.

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Br Fekay
You have a habit of telling us the 'technicalities' which all of us can not disagree on. Yes we know the primitive nature of Men in patriarchal value systems. We also know females have been victimised all those years. We are not here to discuss this issue-we all know this.

We are condenming such practices simply because they are inhumane and unislamic but you have not passed judgement on that YET. Your choice of words is confusing, we would rather like a person with a heart say bad to bad, simple. It does not sit well in this century to still find a way to blame the victim.

A person can not live in fear simply because of the consequences, the human mind is more complex than that. What works better is praise, reward, dialogue, negotiation etc. The parents need to use this very effective tool if they want their Daughters to behave.

This post has been edited by Fatema-the-resplendent: 31 January 2012 - 10:43 AM

[Know-the-Ledge]

Fekay does your illuminated sage self agree with the killing of the female in question....yes or no?

If no, then rather than pontificating on the psychology and nuances of the behaviour, wouldn't it be more befitting that you instead call these culprits and others with such egregious tendencies to that same higher moral standard?

please answer...

This post has been edited by Know-The-Ledge: 31 January 2012 - 11:12 AM