[Zolo]

Edit: Please, don't advertise your website here but you are welcome to discuss your thoughts and ideas.

And whats wrong again with string instruments?

Also, does Satan really urinate in peoples ears who miss prayer?

[Brother_MGS]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

And whats wrong again with string instruments?

Also, does Satan really urinate in peoples ears who miss prayer?

Very interesting read, its interesting to know that infact it was an Imam that failed the person, not Allah, not Islam.

Another question Id like to ask you, do you believe in the concept of 'hell' and if so what people should end up in hell?.

What are your notions of God?, If you believe God has created us, then why has he created us?

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

This site is to encourage debate and discussion, not to spread hate or intolerance against any faith. If your next response is solely to demonise an aspect of Islam through phoney non validated online letters then I will remove your post.

This post has been edited by Fatema-the-resplendent: 24 January 2012 - 10:20 PM

[Zolo]

Your telling me about intolerance and you censor my article. LOL

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Your telling me about intolerance and you censor my article. LOL

Are you going to respond to the questions thrown at you, or are you one of those who loves throwing things but rarely catches.
Let me know when you are interested in a real debate.

[Zolo]

Brother_MGS, on 24 January 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

Very interesting read, its interesting to know that infact it was an Imam that failed the person, not Allah, not Islam.

Another question Id like to ask you, do you believe in the concept of 'hell' and if so what people should end up in hell?.

What are your notions of God?, If you believe God has created us, then why has he created us?

I am not exactly sure if there is a hell. Possibly it could mean being far from the love of God.

I think a just and fair God would rather have his creation learn lessons rather than just punish them eternally for making the wrong decisions.

[Zolo]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 24 January 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Are you going to respond to the questions thrown at you, or are you one of those who loves throwing things but rarely catches.
Let me know when you are interested in a real debate.

Would you like to debate if satan really urinates in our ears when we miss prayer?

Or maybe if it is really fair to execute apostates?

Or maybe we can debate the peace that comes about from offensive Jihad?

Could we debate the age of ayesha when Muhammad deflowered her? Was she 6 or 9?

Should we debate if it is okay to hit your wife?

[Brother_MGS]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

I am not exactly sure if there is a hell. Possibly it could mean being far from the love of God.

I think a just and fair God would rather have his creation learn lessons rather than just punish them eternally for making the wrong decisions.

You haven't answered my last two questions.

If a person has committed many crimes against fellow humans say for an example he has raped many young children, should he not be punished? Isnt learning your lesson a form of punishment to?

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Would you like to debate if satan really urinates in our ears when we miss prayer?

Or maybe if it is really fair to execute apostates?

Or maybe we can debate the peace that comes about from offensive Jihad?

Could we debate the age of ayesha when Muhammad deflowered her? Was she 6 or 9?

Should we debate if it is okay to hit your wife?

Since you actually KNOW Islam why debate it?

Let us instead debate your Religion, atleast you would share it with us as you have discovered the truth.

Yes?

[Zolo]

Brother_MGS, on 24 January 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

You haven't answered my last two questions.

If a person has committed many crimes against fellow humans say for an example he has raped many young children, should he not be punished? Isnt learning your lesson a form of punishment to?

I believe Kharma is ^itch. How long do you think it would take God to teach that rapist his lesson? Would it take all of eternity to teach him that lesson?

[Zolo]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 24 January 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

Since you actually KNOW Islam why debate it?

Let us instead debate your Religion, atleast you would share it with us as you have discovered the truth.

Yes?

I do not have a religion, I believe God is above man made religion.

I believe in a creator because if you see an intricate and beautiful picture you ask who created it? I don't think it came together by chance. Therefore there has to be an invisible force who made it.

I am a Deist if you are looking for a label.

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I do not have a religion, I believe God is above man made religion.

I believe in a creator because if you see an intricate and beautiful picture you ask who created it? I don't think it came together by chance. Therefore there has to be an invisible force who made it.

I am a Deist if you are looking for a label.

How did God communicate how he wants us his creation to behave morally, if he is not allowed to intervene?

Invisible force, by that you mean a force who is not seen but also who does not need to be accountable for his creation and allows them to perish without accountability? This is like an Atheist, God does not interfere in the life on an Atheist nor does he attempt any reconciliation with him after death. If your God is merciful, where and how have you attached that label on him?

[Brother_MGS]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I believe Kharma is ^itch. How long do you think it would take God to teach that rapist his lesson? Would it take all of eternity to teach him that lesson?

Why can't God teach him that lesson on earth through his own creation? If you believe God created humans, why can't God wait for that rapist to die and teach him a lesson in his grave? Why can't God punish that rapist for harming and destroying other humans he created? Why can't God punish that rapist for bringing hurt on other humans? If God is the Almighty, above all man then surely it is just that he punishes people who have caused great pain, discomfort and grief to their fellow creations?

[Zolo]

Brother_MGS, on 24 January 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Why can't God teach him that lesson on earth through his own creation? If you believe God created humans, why can't God wait for that rapist to die and teach him a lesson in his grave? Why can't God punish that rapist for harming and destroying other humans he created? Why can't God punish that rapist for bringing hurt on other humans? If God is the Almighty, above all man then surely it is just that he punishes people who have caused great pain, discomfort and grief to their fellow creations?

He can do all you said, but why should he do it eternally? Does that sound like a something a just God would do. Punish someone infinitely for a finite number of sins?

[Zolo]

Fatema-the-resplendent, on 24 January 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

How did God communicate how he wants us his creation to behave morally, if he is not allowed to intervene?

Invisible force, by that you mean a force who is not seen but also who does not need to be accountable for his creation and allows them to perish without accountability? This is like an Atheist, God does not interfere in the life on an Atheist nor does he attempt any reconciliation with him after death. If your God is merciful, where and how have you attached that label on him?

Your assuming a lot there. I believe we are accountable but why do you feel God can only bring us to accountability through Islam? Why do you think God needs to punish his creation eternally for not finding the beauty in islam?

And when did I say that God cannot interfere in life?

[Brother_MGS]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I do not have a religion, I believe God is above man made religion.

I believe in a creator because if you see an intricate and beautiful picture you ask who created it? I don't think it came together by chance. Therefore there has to be an invisible force who made it.

I am a Deist if you are looking for a label.

Deism is a very confusing blurred label to have. I mean there are no set of fundamentals that are agreed upon by followers or thinkers of that path. Many writers who claim to be Deists infact believe in the concept of Hell, surely God must punish for there to be a hell?

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Your assuming a lot there. I believe we are accountable but why do you feel God can only bring us to accountability through Islam? Why do you think God needs to punish his creation eternally for not finding the beauty in islam?

It seems like you're all questions and no answers.

How about you tell us the answer, tell us about deism.

Is that the light we are searching for?

Enlighten me.

[Zolo]

Brother_MGS, on 24 January 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Deism is a very confusing blurred label to have. I mean there are no set of fundamentals that are agreed upon by followers or thinkers of that path. Many writers who claim to be Deists infact believe in the concept of Hell, surely God must punish for there to be a hell?

I agree with you again. But God is so complex how can we all agree upon anything? Just look at all the religions. They all think they are right.

You may be right there could be a hell, but an eternal hell makes no sense to me.

[Know-the-Ledge]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

I agree with you again. But God is so complex how can we all agree upon anything? Just look at all the religions. They all think they are right.

You may be right there could be a hell, but an eternal hell makes no sense to me.

There are two minority (as opposed to deviant) opinions of bona-fide scholars that hell will eventually turn into a green paradise or that eventually all the denzines will be taken out and put in paradise. The majority view rejects this though.

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

Zolo, on 24 January 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Your assuming a lot there. I believe we are accountable but why do you feel God can only bring us to accountability through Islam? Why do you think God needs to punish his creation eternally for not finding the beauty in islam?

And when did I say that God cannot interfere in life?

Zolo, answer my questions first and I have kind of asked a few through insinuation.

Waiting.