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I came across this clip on youtube (titled: 73 sects! Which one is Rightly Guided & which r 72 misguided? - Amazing Story! {Urdu}) and I decided to view it very briefly.



I haven't seen all of it properly or fully but bits of it and I came across where the speaker in the background is saying that people are bowing down to Dr. Tahir Ul qadri. I don't know how accurate or true the information and the clip is regarding this sajdah matter but it would be nice if it can be explained whether this is actually a sajdah or is it something else, e.g. its not a sajdah but a means/way of shaking hands with the scholar in the form of sitting down but the 'sitting down' by the person is not taking place properly but ending up in a form or 'like a sajdah' but is not a sajdah in itself and thus some people are assuming that sajdah is taking place, etc etc ...or what else is it and why are people doing this'.

As far as I am aware, Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri and many others clearly have spoken out on the issue of people doing sajdah to anyone else other than Allah and this is correct viewpoint of Islam - that sajdah must only be done to Allah and no one else. So what about the above clip, please clear the confusion.

You may view from timer 7:25 onwards. Thank you.

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Any body care to reply please?... so we can move on with this topic. Thank you. Its not too much to ask it?

[AKQURESHI786]

From far it may look like some followers are doing a proper sajda to Tahirul qadri saab but it might be a qadam bosi(kissing feet) same as people kiss the floor or a jalee or steps of the mazar sharif out of respect or to get blessing.

Alahazrat have said no to any such actions where it seems to others like person doing sajda to mazars etc.
ALLAH (subhanahu wa ta'aala) and His RASOOL (sallalaho alayhe wa sallam) knows best.

[qadrimuslim]

Brothers and sisters, be aware, this is pure propaganda!

If you look at my posts over the last 10 years you will see I am hardly a defender of Dr Tahir ul Qadri, but this is just pure slander and back-biting which is punishable in the hereafter.

I have inspected the original video where it is claimed that Minhajis do Sajda to their Shaykh. It is blatantly obvious that they are kissing his feet.
There is one chap who attempts to do Sajda and Dr Sahib stands him up, then stands up himself and guides him.

For these reasons, I would advise people not to display such open acts of qadam-bosi (kissing of Shaykh's feet), especially in public on video where the video can be misused.

[qadrimuslim]

The issue is whether one who does Sajda to a Human out of reverence commits SHIRK, HARAM OR KUFR and this is what we should be discussing.

The problem we have today is that Wahabiyya accuse the Ahlus Sunnah of Shirk and brand Muslims as Mushrik. This is a fundamental flaw in their ideology where they believe the majority of Muslims are on Shirk.

If I am not mistaken, they quietly consider the majority of Muslims as Kafir or Murtad (apostates) but they stop short of openly declaring this.

Now you should understand that to hold such a bad opinion of other Muslims cannot be the teaching of Islam.

[Brother_MGS]

qadrimuslim, on 23 January 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

The issue is whether one who does Sajda to a Human out of reverence commits SHIRK, HARAM OR KUFR and this is what we should be discussing.

The problem we have today is that Wahabiyya accuse the Ahlus Sunnah of Shirk and brand Muslims as Mushrik. This is a fundamental flaw in their ideology where they believe the majority of Muslims are on Shirk.

If I am not mistaken, they quietly consider the majority of Muslims as Kafir or Murtad (apostates) but they stop short of openly declaring this.

Now you should understand that to hold such a bad opinion of other Muslims cannot be the teaching of Islam.

I believe it is Shirk to do Sajda to anything other than Allah. A person of Imaan would be very very uncomfortable with someone doing Sajda to them. Sajda is a unique form of worship that has humans bow to the Almighty. It is just for the Almighty. IF it was made permissable to bow down to one other thing, then only our great Master, the Prince of creation RasoolAllah(SAW) is worthy ofit.

Najdi created Groups are as youve put politely a great fitna.

[Brother_MGS]

qadrimuslim, on 23 January 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

The issue is whether one who does Sajda to a Human out of reverence commits SHIRK, HARAM OR KUFR and this is what we should be discussing.

The problem we have today is that Wahabiyya accuse the Ahlus Sunnah of Shirk and brand Muslims as Mushrik. This is a fundamental flaw in their ideology where they believe the majority of Muslims are on Shirk.

If I am not mistaken, they quietly consider the majority of Muslims as Kafir or Murtad (apostates) but they stop short of openly declaring this.

Now you should understand that to hold such a bad opinion of other Muslims cannot be the teaching of Islam.

I believe it is Shirk to do Sajda to anything other than Allah. A person of Imaan would be very very uncomfortable with someone doing Sajda to them. Sajda is a unique form of worship that has humans bow to the Almighty. It is just for the Almighty. IF it was made permissable to bow down to one other thing, then only our great Master, the Prince of creation RasoolAllah(SAW) is worthy ofit.

Najdi created Groups are as youve put politely a great fitna.

[Super_Duper]

For prostration there is a requirement of intention based on the hadith that "all actions are based on intentions". This is principly the main thing to consider when looking at this from a third party point of view. Since we cannot see in to people's hearts nor can we seek an explanation from those in the Youtube video, we must practice husn-ad-dhann.

There are hadith on kissing feet even in the sihah sitta. The mode of kissing feet is not described i.e. were the feet raised when they were kissed? The thing we know is that even when the Prophet (SAW) slept his holy feet were not raised because he (SAW) slept on the ground. So if they were not raised then how did the companions kiss the holy feet? But if we assume for instance they had a special way then why has this not been described in the traditions?

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Brother_MGS, on 23 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

I believe it is Shirk to do Sajda to anything other than Allah.

Salaam,

Yes as long as the person prostrating has the intention of worship, otherwise its haram, but not Shirk.

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JoeDacky, on 24 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Yes as long as the person prostrating has the intention of worship, otherwise its haram, but not Shirk.

Why if he has no intention of prostration? Someone can kiss the ground (out of love for their country?) but a person from a far could think he is prostrating.

[Brother_MGS]

JoeDacky, on 24 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Salaam,

Yes as long as the person prostrating has the intention of worship, otherwise its haram, but not Shirk.

Thank you for adding that bit bro.

[qadrimuslim]

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JoeDacky, on 24 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:
Salaam,

Yes as long as the person prostrating has the intention of worship, otherwise its haram, but not Shirk.

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Thank you for adding that bit bro.

And this is just my point

Most wahabis need to learn a thing or two about what is Shirk and what is not

They take opportunities like these to take a swipe at Sunnis.. by using isolated incidents of people who may be Ahlus Sunnah, or others who are not Ahlus Sunnah, and then attack established Sunni Aqeeda on Mawlid, Urs, Cemetries, Mazaaraat, Maqaamaat.

They even believe that Muslims who believe in the Holy Prophet's (SAWW) Knowledge of Ghayb, are committing shirk

It's just madness I tell you, and cheap point scoring