[Major-Screw-Loose]

With regards to YC's first post, the answer is very simple and straight forward and there is nothing technical or complicated about it. The answer or conclusion is: there was (and is) lack of education, understanding and awareness about how to deal with certain people of with certain conditions at certain times, for example, the event of how the disabled person was treated at the masjid by DI brothers. I'm pretty confident that had they known what they should have done and what they should or should not have said/spoken, then that is what they would have done. It was their ignorance (lack of knowledge, keducation or awareness which they had) which lead them to behave in the way they did towards the disabled man and that too without the intention to cause hurt to the diabled person, I don't think they behaved like that on purpose. It was just their misfortune or bad luck but especially lack of awareness and education that they behaved in this manner.

They (those above DI brothers in particular) wear a beard because they've learnt the reason, understanding and purpose behind it since they received the education or awareness on this matter regarding the importance of a beard, Same goes for the imama shareef, they received the education and awareness for it. So there is one more thing left to cover and that is dealing and treating a disabled person and this is the thing they may have not fully learnt or have not been educated at all is how to handle a situation involving disabled person but had they been educated on this matter too, then I am confident they would have behave appropriately.

I think mosques and madrassahs need to do more and engage more in dealing with topics and preaching these topics so that awareness is created to the genrral public, topics such as how to handle a situation regarding disabled persons, what the disabled persons rights are, why smoking is bad and how it affects health, topic on drugs and its harmful affects, topics on why gangsterism is bad and its side-affects and many other non-mainstream topics.

[sunniskeptic]

badman, on 23 January 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Salams,

A few years ago I was doing Iteqaf at our main Masjid (Ramazaan back then was in the middle of the winter) after breaking the fast a few people would stay behind till Isha and Taraweeah. One night a middle aged bloke walked into the Mosque, he was drunk,cold and starving, the guy came in to the prayer hall with his shoes on (he was murmuring in an afro-carrabean accent) these old guys who were in the Mosque (you should have seen them) they wanted to beat this guy up. they started pushing him around (using nice colourful language) me and my big gob did not take it so I interevened, the people started having a go at me told them whats the problem if he's walked in with his shoes? (clean it up after - I'll clean up after) told them they were not right in the head (they were not happy). the poor guy started crying he was in his fifties had been drinking all day (apparantly he was struggling with life) felt sorry for the guy. we gave him our food to eat, he was shaking and all sorts, theres some nasty/cruel people in this wicked world. Muslims Fasting, praying the Quran (being/in the Month Of Mercy) yet not practicing what they have inherited by God's Grace. Unbeleivable!!!

May Allah reward you for helping a person in need. Sometimes it seems we are so hung up about the externals of our religion--just like the rabbis of old--that we forget its essential humanitarian message. Someone asked Pir Sayyid Jamaat Ali Shah sahib, alayhi rahmah, what was the best form of worship? The great saint replied, "Serving the creation of Allah.' (khidmat e khalq). I bet those people called the black brother all sorts of names too. I hope he was okay and happy by your act of humanity.

[sunniskeptic]

Re: Liverpool,
The only good things to come out of Liverpool are Liverpool FC and the Beatles

[Know-the-Ledge]

sunniskeptic, on 23 January 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Re: Liverpool,
The only good things to come out of Liverpool are Liverpool FC and the Beatles

and I'm not sure about the former LAL

[Brother_MGS]

sunniskeptic, on 23 January 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Re: Liverpool,
The only good things to come out of Liverpool are Liverpool FC and the Beatles

Yeah until Andy Carrol came along. Pir Kenny was better of building a cathedral for that amount. Atleast it woulda been his darbar when times up.

I blamethe society those specific DI members were raised in. An attitude has to change, awareness created. The attitude of superiority stinks. What if that physically disabled human hasthe zikr of the Almighty permenantly on his tongue? Or the mentally disabled person only finds peace ina Masjid? Imagine their connection with the almighty.

[allahuakber]

Hadith - Bukhari's Book of Manners #313, Ahmad, Ibn Hibban, and Hakim

... 'Abd Allah reported that the Prophet of Allah, upon him be peace, said, "A believer is not a fault-finder and is not abusive, obscene, or course."

Hadith - Bukhari's Book of Manners #329

... Ibn 'Abbas said, "If you wish to mention the faults of your friend, mention your own faults first."

Hadith - Bukhari's Book of Manners #330

... Ibn 'Abbas said on the following verse of the Qur'an, "Nor defame one another" (49:11), "Do not spend your time finding fault with one another."

Hadith - Bukhari's Book of Manners #545

Jubayr ibn Nufayr reported that Mu'adh ibn Jabal said, "If you love someone, do not quarrel with him and do not annoy him. Do not ask others about him, for the one you ask might be his enemy and thus tell you things about him that are not true and thus break you apart."

Hadith - Bukhari's Book of Manners #889 and Ibn Hibban

'Amr ibn al 'As said, "...I am amazed at one who spots an impurity in the eye of another but is unable to detect it in his/her own eye, or who attempts to remove a grudge from another's heart while making no attempt to remove grduges from his/her own heart. I have never blamed anyone for the confidences of mine that they have betrayed. How could I, when already they have given me reason for pause?"