[M-I-Q]

Salaam

did anyone watch the truth behind karbala at all today it was in English, our own Shaykh Muhammad Umar was on the panel and he corrected aqeel jilali position on if it is allowed to say alahisalam after the ahle bayt, aqeel jilali and many callers called to ask the queston because the badly want to be shaykh Muhammad Umar every time when he mentioned the Ahle Bayt used this term and some callers said it was a shia thing.

Shaykh Muhammad Umar who was with Imam Ahle Sunnat recently gave an excellent reply and evidence from saheeh al bukhari

he was mashallah very good and when the presenter tried to change the subject and also tried to debate he corrected him also.

This post has been edited by Qadri-Jilani: 10 July 2012 - 10:40 AM

[piara-madinah]

M-I-Q, on 13 December 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Salaam
Shaykh Muhammad Umar who was with Imam Ahle Sunnat recently gave an excellent reply and evidence from saheeh al bukhari

he was mashallah very good and when the presenter tried to change the subject and also tried to debate he corrected him also.

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who is Imam ahlesunnat.

[M-I-Q]

Huzoor Muffakir e Islam Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani

[objective-enquirer]

those are total nasibis. simple. imagine if i said truth behind ummah channel...what would you understand from it? it would mean that there is a different reality then is seen. similarly, the name truth behind karbala suggests that the real story of karbala is diffrent to what we know!

anyway, that could be becuase of some jahil. however, the issue of alay assalam upon non prophets. these people are jahil and nasibis, i'm sorry to say. Because in all hadith, tafsir books etc., we come across alay salaam for ahl al-bayt. our ahl al-sunna predecessors used it for ahl al-bayt.
the difference amongst imams of ahl al-sunna was not because of alay salaam for the non prophets rather it was about alay salaat. alayhisalaam was never the issue but alayhis salaat had a difference of opinion. Imam Bukhari, for example, considerd it permissible to say salaat on other than Prophets!

however, ibn qayyam al-jawziyya in his jila al-afhaam and imam sakhawi in his al-qawl al-badi' both written about salaat and salaam upon non prophets. in it the two prominent sunni scholars many cneturies ago have stated that according ahl al-sunna alay salaam for non prophets is allowed and the only difference amongst ahl al-sunna is about the use of salaat for non prophets. some allowed it and some did not.

also hazrat shah abd al-haq dehlavi, the first sunni imam in sub continent says in his ashiyat al-lamat that using 'alay salaam' for the ahl al-bayt is the practice of our aslaaf. hz shah abdul al-aziz dehlavi also gave fatwa that alay salaam for ahl al-bayt is the practice of our aslaaf and cites sihah sitta and other books as a sanad for his claim.
hz syed ahmed saeed kazmi shah sb wrote a whole article in his monthly magazine al-saeed in the sixties that alay salaam for ahl al-bayt is allowed and a prcatice of our aslaaf.

the first usul al-fiqh book for hanafis in darse nizami says clearly that al-salaam ala abu hanifata wa ahababihi that 'salaam be upon abu hanifa. so here we have the one whose job it is to give fatwa and a master of hanafi jurisprudence form centruies ago saying salaam for abu hanifa. of course he said because he consdiered salaam for non prophets allowed. the point is that for centuries these mullaz have taught and learned from the first book of usul in their madrassas and allowed it for abu hanifa yet what is wrong with Imam Hussain alay salaam??

our aslaaf and those in recent times have considered it persmissibale to say alay salaam for ahl al-bayt. these people are trying to invent a new mazhab with a nasibi twist. brother muhammad umar is absolutely righ and these mullaz are wrong. they just claim but offer no evidence. just check every time they make claims. they ahlesunnat say this and that but where does ahlesunnat say this and that?? this is what shows you that this ahlesunnat is homemade. I have provided you with the decisions of ulama from the past and close to our times.

[gujjubond]

M-I-Q, on 13 December 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Salaam

did anyone watch the truth behind karbala at all today it was in English, our own Allama Shaykh Muhammad Umar was on the panel and he corrected aqeel jilani position on if it is allowed to say alahisalam after the ahle bayt, aqeel jilani and many callers called to ask the queston because Shaykh Umar every time when he mentioned the Ahle Bayt used this term and some callers said it was a shia thing.

Shaykh Muhammad Umar who was with Imam Ahle Sunnat recently gave an excellent reply and evidence from saheeh al bukhari

he was mashallah very good and when the presenter tried to change the subject and also tried to debate he corrected him also.


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sometimes I really wanna bang my head on floor after reading posts on that forum ... what's wrong with these people, well verse in english, british born and what kind of Scholars they follow ?

their world is swirl around only one issue ... who is afdhal ? falahn is tafdhili .. falahn is shia ...

May Allah help them ...

[hafiz-qadri]

gujjubond, on 13 December 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

sometimes I really wanna bang my head on floor after reading posts on that forum ... what's wrong with these people, well verse in english, british born and what kind of Scholars they follow ?

their world is swirl around only one issue ... who is afdhal ? falahn is tafdhili .. falahn is shia ...

May Allah help them ...

Brother Gujjubond,you are spot on with your observation.



Can some brother put up the uncut version of the Debate for all to see.

[Gangohi-Ka-Dushman]

The same Topic was discussed last year. You can have a look at this once again

here is the topic:

http://www.yanabi.co...s-of-ahle-bayt/




Here is the video of Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri, he explains this issue very well, Please watch it here:

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Ya Hussain (alaihi salam) Madad!

[Brother_MGS]

To turn the events of Karbala into a point settling score battle is disgusting. Kharjiat is forever present on Ummah channel panels. The only good thing the channel showed was a weekly one hour programme that showed you about the life of Awliya. For example one week they may present it on Data Hajveri, the new next on Khwaja Sayyid Moinuddin Chishti etc.

I went on a forum website called ******* the other day. It is the best of best examples of what alot of Sunnis have become. They seeem more happier being mureeds than muslims.

This post has been edited by The-Mughal-Sister: 13 December 2011 - 04:08 PM
Reason for edit: Polite Notice: Please refrain from referring to other forums. :)

[Desert-Sheikh]

Excellent reply by Dr. Sahib, Barelvis should be proud of him, he always cleans up after some of their 'kharji' mess, BUT they will never listen to him.

Here's another suprise, especaily for that young (a bit fat) guy who starts replying by saying that 'humare akabiren ala hazrat aur saddrul-shariah, (Aur koi akibir to guzra hi nahi hey 1400 saal mein), and all those whose religion starts from Ala hazrat and ends at Saddr-ul-Shariah.

Have you ever read the books of Seydi Ala Hazrat? Well, now read his famous kalam "Mustafa Jaan-e-Rehmat Pe Laakhon Salaam",

Salam on Khatoon-e-Jannat (Radi Allahu anha)
Syeda Zahida Tyaba Tahira
Jaan-E-Ahmad Ki Rahat Pay Lakhoon Salam

Salam on Imam-e-Hassan (Radi Allahu anhu)
Wo Hassan Mujtaba Syed-ul-Askhiya
Rakab-e-Dosh-e-Izat Pay Lakhoon Salam

Salam on Maula Ali (Radi Allahu anhu)
Sher-e-Shamshir-e-Zan Shah Khaybar Shikan
Par To-e-Dast-e-Qudrat Pay Lakhoon Salam

Ala Hazrat even sends Salam on his own teachers and family
Mere Ustad Maan Baap, Bhai Behan
Ahl-e-Wald-o-Ashirat Pay Lakhoon Salam

(Ref: Hadaiq-e-Bakhshish)

Does it ring any bell to you? You all the hate-mongers and especially the Chumma channel’s crew.

[Desert-Sheikh]

Desert-Sheikh, on 13 December 2011 - 05:45 PM, said:

You all the hate-mongers and especially the Chumma channel’s crew.

In most of the Barelvi Mosques, after Jummah prayer, they end Salam with this verse "Sayyidi Ala-Hazrat Pay Laakhon Salam". Maulana Saeed Asad sahib especially advises to end Salam with this verse " Sayyidi Ala-Hazrat Pay Laakhon Salam ".



Haram for Ahl al-Bayt and Maula Ali?????

[qalam]

Desert-Sheikh, on 13 December 2011 - 05:45 PM, said:

[size="3"][font="Courier New"]Excellent reply by Dr. Sahib, Barelvis should be proud of him, he always cleans up after some of their 'kharji' mess, BUT they will never listen to him.

Here's another suprise, especaily for that young (a bit fat) guy who starts replying by saying that 'humare akabiren ala hazrat aur saddrul-shariah, (Aur koi akibir to guzra hi nahi hey 1400 saal mein), and all those whose religion starts from Ala hazrat and ends at Saddr-ul-Shariah.

salam

which fat guy there were loads of them

dr aq

[Abdul09]

Gangohi-Ka-Dushman, on 13 December 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

The same Topic was discussed last year. You can have a look at this once again

here is the topic:

http://www.yanabi.co...s-of-ahle-bayt/




Here is the video of Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri, he explains this issue very well, Please watch it here:

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Ya Hussain (alaihi salam) Madad!

Asalaam Alai Kum

EVIL ULAMA (ULAMA-E-SOO’)

Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) says Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "A time is soon to come when Islam will remain only by name, and the Qur'aan will exist only in words. People will erect large and beautiful Masjids, but these Masjids will lack guidance and be deserted. The worst creation below the skies will be the Ulama-e-Soo’. Great Fitna (evils) will emanate from them and they themselves will promote fitna and they will be the center of Fitna.

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NO IMAAN

Hadhrat Umme Salma (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "That time will also come upon the people when the Truthful will be condemned as liars and the liars will be regarded as Truthful. People with dishonest occupations will be regarded as upright people while upright people will be condemned as criminals. People will come forth uncalled to give evidence, (for a fee), and people will take oaths (false) without it being called for. The progeny of lowly parents will be regarded as fortunate people on account of their worldly possessions, whereas, in actual fact they will not have Imaan in Allah or His Rasul (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam).

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ABUNDANCE OF QURRAH (QAREE)

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) relates the following narration of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam): ‘That time will also come upon my Ummat, when though there will be an abundance of Qurrah, there will be a shortage of Fuqaha (Jurists). There will be a scarcity of (Islamic) knowledge and an increase in evil and anarchy. Then there will also come a time upon the Ummat when people will recite the Qur'aan, but it will not go further than their throats, (into their hearts, i.e. they will not be affected by it). Then that time will also come when a Mushrik and Mu’min will debate on the Tauheed (Oneness) of Allah.

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CONCEITED PEOPLE

Hadhrat Abbas (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) has said, "Islam will spread far and wide, across the seas. Horses will cross the land and seas in the cause of Jihad.
Then a time will come wherein a group of people will emerge which recites the Qur'aan. They will claim," We have recited the Qur'aan. and is there anyone who understands the Qur'aan. better than us? There is no one more proficient than us in the study of the Qur'aan.".
Then Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) asked the Sahabah, "Do you see any good in their claims?"
The Sahabah replied, "No.
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)) said, "But these conceited claimants will be from my Ummah and will be the fuel of the Fire.

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LIARS

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "In the last days, such liars and deceitful people will emerge, who will tell you such new things (baseless interpretations and distortions about Islam), which neither you, nor your forebears would have heard about. Beware of them, beware of them. It should not happen that they lead you astray."

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HYPOCRISY

Hadhrat Mu’aaz bin Jabai (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "In the last days, people will be such that outwardly they will express great love, concern and sympathy towards others, but in their hearts they will harbor the greatest enmity for each other, continuously looking out for an opportunity to eliminate his enemy". It was asked, "Why would such an attitude occur?" Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "On account of fear and greed’.

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If any of the TV mullas don't learn from this, then, there's a one way ticket, here and the hearafter.
The penalty for misleading the UMMAH after being given the gift of ILM is unthinkable...LA HAULA WALA KUWATAAH ILLAH BILLAH HIL ALHIYUL ADHEEM.

Wasalaam Alai Kum.

[qadrimuslim]

Salam

Simply disgusting that some people want to push this idea that we should somehow refrain from what Muslims have done for 1400 years - ie saying Alaihissalaam AS for the Ahlul Bayt.

Recently this topic was discussed on Takbeer TV and they gave a great answer:

Some things are MASHHUR (Famous) in Islam, in the texts, and on the tongues of Muslims:

Prophets and Angels - Alaihissalaam or Alaihis-salaato-wassalaam
Sahaba e Kiram - Radiallah Anhu
Ahlul Bayt - Alaihissalaam or Radiallah Anhu MEANING BOTH TERMS ARE PERFECTLY FINE

So we should stick to what is MASHHUR, should we not? Or should we completely rewrite Islamic Tradition?
If some jahil kharji minded molbi cannot stomach (AS) being used for the Noble Household he should bury his head in the sand.

NOTE:
Some idiots claim to be students of knowledge and still ask the dumb question why nobody says Alaihissalaam for Shaykhayn. The above answer should wipe the kharji dust from their eyes.

[qadrimuslim]

As for the TV Channel in question, most people now know that it is dominated by a small number of Kharji minded mullahs who have put the simple Indian owners of the channel under siege. This is why we continually see common Muslims ringing in their shows and having it out with them over weak things said about Ahlul Bayt.

The channel has lost all credibility and thus many of its viewers.

To see these Kharjis sat on panels where "Ahle Bayt" is the topic is nothing but a smoke screen. You will find that 90% of the program is used to dilute the speciality and significance of the Ahlul Bayt and the rest 10% is nothing but lip service to save face. You will also find that their programs mainly end up in a circle of fitnah with not much substance being taught about anything!!

Anyway, Muhammad Umar is a Sunni Sword in front of the Khwarijiyyah. He has studied under and sat with many luminaries of the Ahlul Bayt of today and inshallah has the faiz and backing to wipe the floor with these Kharjis. They will be doing everything in their pathetic punjabi power to undermine Muhammad Umar.

NOTE: Mufti Fazl e Quyum needs to speak out more and not get caught up in the Kharji web. He's a decent scholar but seems to find his back against the wall too much. I honestly think he's on the wrong channel and his knowledge is going to waste.

[Fatema-the-resplendent]

First it was trying to ban Nara e Haidery to stop people from calling the name of Hazrat Ali AS, Then it was trying to say Ahle bayt are not only the panj tan paak and therefore not only those for whom the Ayah Tatheer was revealed, now it is taking away Salam from the names of Ahle bayt in Moharram! Now isn't it clear what the Nasibi is trying to do, this is clear bughz for ahle bayt. Why is everything they cause fitna about include the progeny of RasoolAllah? I don't watch Ummah Channel and the fitna five, they have seriously maligned true Sunnism into a new firqa Sahabiism.

[Fekay]

Why people creating controversy regards to Ahla Byte to confuse and diease the iman of layman is beyond me!!

[SyedMohsin.86]

For those who want Exact Reference: صحيح البخاري - كِتَاب الْمَغَازِي - بَاب بَعْثُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ عَلَيْهِ السَّلَام وَخَالِدِ بْنِ الْوَلِيدِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ إِلَى الْيَمَنِ قَبْلَ حَجَّةِ الْوَدَاعِ صحيح البخاري - كِتَاب تَقْصِيرِ الصَّلَاةِ - بَاب يَقْصُرُ إِذَا خَرَجَ مِنْ مَوْضِعِهِ بَاب يَقْصُرُ إِذَا خَرَجَ مِنْ مَوْضِعِهِ وَخَرَجَ عَلِيُّ بْنُ أَبِي طَالِبٍ عَلَيْهِ السَّلَام فَقَصَرَ وَهُوَ يَرَى الْبُيُوتَ فَلَمَّا رَجَعَ قِيلَ لَهُ هَذِهِ الْكُوفَةُ قَالَ لَا حَتَّى نَدْخُلَهَا صحيح البخاري - كِتَاب الصَّلَاةِ - أَبْوَابُ سُتْرَةِ الْمُصَلِّي - بَاب الْمَرْأَةِ تَطْرَحُ عَنْ الْمُصَلِّي شَيْئًا مِنْ الْأَذَى بَاب الْمَرْأَةِ تَطْرَحُ عَنْ الْمُصَلِّي شَيْئًا مِنْ الْأَذَى 498 حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ السُّورَمَارِيُّ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُوسَى قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْرَائِيلُ عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍعَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ بَيْنَمَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي عِنْدَ الْكَعْبَةِ وَجَمْعُ قُرَيْشٍ فِي مَجَالِسِهِمْ إِذْ قَالَ قَائِلٌ مِنْهُمْ أَلَا تَنْظُرُونَ إِلَى هَذَا الْمُرَائِي أَيُّكُمْ يَقُومُ إِلَى جَزُورِ آلِ فُلَانٍ فَيَعْمِدُ إِلَى فَرْثِهَا وَدَمِهَا وَسَلَاهَا فَيَجِيءُ بِهِ ثُمَّ يُمْهِلُهُ حَتَّى إِذَا سَجَدَ وَضَعَهُ بَيْنَ كَتِفَيْهِ فَانْبَعَثَ أَشْقَاهُمْ فَلَمَّا سَجَدَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَضَعَهُ بَيْنَ كَتِفَيْهِ وَثَبَتَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سَاجِدًا فَضَحِكُوا حَتَّى مَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ مِنْ الضَّحِكِ فَانْطَلَقَ مُنْطَلِقٌ إِلَى فَاطِمَةَ عَلَيْهَا السَّلَام وَهِيَ جُوَيْرِيَةٌ فَأَقْبَلَتْ تَسْعَى وَثَبَتَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سَاجِدًا حَتَّى أَلْقَتْهُ عَنْهُ وَأَقْبَلَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ تَسُبُّهُمْ فَلَمَّا قَضَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ الصَّلَاةَ قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ عَلَيْكَ بِقُرَيْشٍ اللَّهُمَّ عَلَيْكَ بِقُرَيْشٍ اللَّهُمَّ عَلَيْكَ بِقُرَيْشٍ ثُمَّ سَمَّى اللَّهُمَّ عَلَيْكَ بِعَمْرِو بْنِ هِشَامٍ وَعُتْبَةَ بْنِ رَبِيعَةَ وَشَيْبَةَ بْنِ رَبِيعَةَ وَالْوَلِيدِ بْنِ عُتْبَةَ وَأُمَيَّةَ بْنِ خَلَفٍ وَعُقْبَةَ بْنِ أَبِي مُعَيْطٍ وَعُمَارَةَ بْنِ الْوَلِيدِ قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ فَوَاللَّهِ لَقَدْ رَأَيْتُهُمْ صَرْعَى يَوْمَ بَدْرٍ ثُمَّ سُحِبُوا إِلَى الْقَلِيبِ قَلِيبِ بَدْرٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأُتْبِعَ أَصْحَابُ الْقَلِيبِ لَعْنَةً صحيح البخاري - كِتَاب الْجِهَادِ وَالسِّيَرِ - بَاب لُبْسِ الْبَيْضَةِ بَاب لُبْسِ الْبَيْضَةِ 2754 حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْلَمَةَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ بْنُ أَبِي حَازِمٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ سَهْلٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ أَنَّهُ سُئِلَ عَنْ جُرْحِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَوْمَ أُحُدٍ فَقَالَ جُرِحَ وَجْهُ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَكُسِرَتْ رَبَاعِيَتُهُ وَهُشِمَتْ الْبَيْضَةُ عَلَى رَأْسِهِ فَكَانَتْفَاطِمَةُ عَلَيْهَا السَّلَام تَغْسِلُ الدَّمَ وَعَلِيٌّ يُمْسِكُ فَلَمَّا رَأَتْ أَنَّ الدَّمَ لَا يَزِيدُ إِلَّا كَثْرَةً أَخَذَتْ حَصِيرًا فَأَحْرَقَتْهُ حَتَّى صَارَ رَمَادًا ثُمَّ أَلْزَقَتْهُ فَاسْتَمْسَكَ الدَّمُ
There many places where Alahis Salam is used for Ahl e Bait, You can verify it from following website which contains exact wordings from Sahih Bukhari:http://hadith.al-isl...aspx?pageid=261

[qadrimuslim]

You can prove the fazail of the Ahlul Bayt forever but those with Nasibiyyat running through their veins will always try to reduce and dilute the maqam of Ahlul Bayt.

Just as Shaykh Muhammad bin Yahya Ninowy said his latest speech, the mullah mafia want you to turn away from The Book and the Sunnah and bombard you with their own texts.

It's upto the general awam to make up their own choice - people are not stupid like the mullah mafia want them to be! Sheep are for the slaughter, please don't try to make me into a sheep!

[Desert-Sheikh]

Here is uncensored and unedited video:




Please watch it fully and look at the faces of the rest of the panel (jese maan mar gai ho), the self-claimed inheritors of Ala Hazrat at 4:29, who were deceiving audience by falsely claiming that Sunni elders don't allow Alieh Salam for Ahle Bayt. Host looks at them and they are looking down, down and down - Nazar uthane ke qabil nahi.

PS: If they have any shame, they should go back to their villages.

[Gangohi-Ka-Dushman]

Desert-Sheikh, on 17 December 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Here is uncensored and unedited video:




Please watch it fully and look at the faces of the rest of the panel (jese maan mar gai ho), the self-claimed inheritors of Ala Hazrat at 4:29, who were deceiving audience by falsely claiming that Sunni elders donit allow Alieh Salam for Ahle Bayt. Host looks at them and they are looking down, down and down - Nazar uthane ke qabil nahi.

PS: If they have any shame, they should go back to their villages.

Dhood ka dhood aur pani ka pani. What a great slap to these scholars by Shaykh Umar Mashallah





Ya Hussain (Alayhi Salam) Madad!