[Revival-of-Islam]

http://jang.com.pk/j...9-2011/euro.htm

http://jang.com.pk/j...urope/euro5.gif

http://search.jang.c....asp?nid=555177

[Sunni-Police]

It's never too late to catch the troublemakers.... We need a SUNNI POLICE FORCE!!!!

[piara-madinah]

Desert-Sheikh, on 03 September 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

I've no doubt, both personalities work selflessly and have no interest in photo-shoots or self-promotion but I was talking about websites that are run by followers (businessmen). My entire post gives a very positive message but if you take one-line, it can be interpreted in any/many ways.

This thread reminds me of the famous reconciliation between Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya, still followers of both personalities are not ready to forgive each-other....... Ask yourself, is this the time to prove who is bigger Alim?? I don't want to judge user's intentions but If someone is not happy with this meeting then he/she may happily join 'that-party' who will definitely issue a new fatwa on this meeting. I hope that followers of both personalities will accept this-truth from the bottom of their heart and stop speculating, and judging their leaders or their intentions.

I don't know how much it will benefit the Ahle Sunnat but i hope things will get better and the good days are coming. in Sha'Allah And I see this meeting as one of biggest achievement in Dr. Sahib's life history, he earned it. I don't need to go into details because i think almost everyone of you would agree with it.

Brother MR, i agree with you, all information should be released or speeches from both scholars or at least a photo of scholars japhi

@Secret-Agent, please be careful what you post.

I agree with you br DS lakin mureedeen or followers always claiming that our sheikh is big etc and in my opinion this meeting only took place to get more fame and to let others down , may be this is too early but whatever you all will see the issue for ummah,s unity will stay same the both sheikhan will cash there cheques and fly .

what is the difference between sheikhulislam and mufakier e islam titles and we cant unite and ulmahas cant unite us until we came out this title business , We all ghulaman e nabi paak saw and in Nabi,s eyes we all different according to our amaals and mohabat e nabvi but until these scholers come down from the title making ladder they cant work for unity of ummah.

Allah scholers ko hadayet dey ameen.

[piara-madinah]

Mudassar-Rana, on 04 September 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

looks like the police have already been in action! where have you been all this time!

we already got policeforce but they never there when we need them because they always eating halwa and not present .

[Sunni-Police]

You hit the nail on the head... these Brelvis love their halwa and khatam shareefs.... whenever you go to one they are their just for the food!! We need to root this type of sunni out of our ranks....

[piara-madinah]

Revival-of-Islam, on 04 September 2011 - 06:56 AM, said:

http://jang.com.pk/j...9-2011/euro.htm

http://jang.com.pk/j...urope/euro5.gif

http://search.jang.c....asp?nid=555177

are they going to work as one team , are they merging and what is there new name after the merge then must be now there quaid will be janab mufakir e islam and the naib will be dr tahir ul qadri , well done if dr tahir ul qadri leaving the qiadat and making janab mufaiker e islam there quaid and the both jamats merge and from now on this will be one jamat uk ahlesunnat minhaj group Good news if they want to join "mutahid ho rahy hain" GOOD faisla .THis called real qurbani when two jamaats merge together and accpet the big scholer as there quaid.

we all will see the result very soon .

[Sunni-Police]

@ Piara Madinah - Can you translate that article please....

[Desert-Sheikh]

Sunni-Police, on 04 September 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

these Brelvis love their halwa and khatam shareefs.... whenever you go to one they are their just for the food!! We need to root this type of sunni out of our ranks....

With all due respect, I think both parties are 'Barelvi' and whatever name or title they choose, they'll always be labeled and remembered as 'Brelvis'. Please avoid passing general statement 'these Brelvis', they are from Ahle Sunnat.

[qadrimuslim]

Fact is that this was an introductory meeting, people should not jump to conclusions.

There is a lot of work yet to be done in uniting the Ulama from these camps and other camps.


The only significant thing is that two elder Shuyukh have met, both have large following and support in the public and their mission overlaps in many areas.

Sayyidi Mufakkir e Islam could not accept many of the previous invitations for one reason or another so it is a credit to the Jamat that this was arranged successfully.

What happens going forward Allahu Alam.

I await the video recording.

[Anwarulhaq]

khalil, on 03 September 2011 - 05:52 PM, said:

Mashallah, it was a wondeful atmosphere.

Both personalities seemed comfortable in each others company. They held a private meeting in a room downstairs for about an hour before coming upstairs where 35-40 ulema had been waiting. They entered the room together and made their way to their seats.

After Tilawat Shailkh ul Islam himself recited a few ishaar from Qasseda Burda Shareef. Allama Nisar Ahmed Baig said a few brief words about the reconcilliation and then Allama Saeedi Saheb. Shakh ul Islam suggested that Allama Zahid Hussain Shah Saheb say a few words as well. Then, if I remember correctly, Pir Munawar Hussain Jamaati saheb also contributed.

All comments were quite brief as it was quite late.

Mufakar e Islam spoke for about 5 minutes. They said that their meeting with Shaikh ul Islam is for raza e illahi and praised the works of shakh ul islam. They also said that they will be attendindg the Peace Conference on 24th September in Wembly.

Shakh ul Islam then spoke about the different fitnas which are dividing the ahl assunah wal jam'mat and how this unity would benefit us all. They said that we should become protectors of each other, ie, Markazi Jam'at e Ahle Sunnat should be the muhafiz of Minhaj ul Qur'an and vise versa.
They also presented Mufakar e Islam with some of their book as a gift, which Mufakar e islam accepted by kissing each book and placing it on the eyes.

After food both giants of the Ahl e Sunnah walked down the stairs holding hands and made their exit.

As i said before it was great to be present and see all this. I thought the day would never come when we will be able show the khwarij our unity, but it did. I just hope we can move on and strenghten this relationship further and make their (khwarij's) blood boil. All we need now is a big gathering.

Masha Allah Jazakallah bro. Can you please post the link if there is any to the event that you just described? That might help silence the loud speakers in this thread.

[piara-madinah]

Sunni-Police, on 04 September 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

You hit the nail on the head... these Brelvis love their halwa and khatam shareefs.... whenever you go to one they are their just for the food!! We need to root this type of sunni out of our ranks....

I didnt say bralvees, all ahlesunnat molvees, wahabies ,dewbandies etc love halwa and food etc .Nothing wrong in khatam shareefs if they in moderations.I meant of them molvees who only care food halwa mithai etc and they spend time in having food when we need them to act, they always abscent.

[AhmadAli]

Calling your self a "barelvi" is not a must! But to follow and Act upon the Aqeeda[Beliefs] of our Great Imam Mujaddid e Deen o Millat Shah Imam Ahmad Raza Khan 'RAhimullahu ta'ala wa RadiAllahu ta'ala 'Anh is MUST!!!

Then we can say Sunni Is uprising!!!

Sallu 'alal Habib

[Faisal]

SyedMohsin.86, on 04 September 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

Minhaj ul Quran and Daraloom Qadria Jilania have the same views about Iman E Abu Talib [RA], Ayat e Tathir being refered to Panjtan Paak only, Yazeed being Kafir, Responding to Naare Tehqeek with Haq Sab Yaar, No muslim is obliged to believe that Hazrat Abu Bakr Saddiq [RA] is the most Afzal and many many other things on what other sunni ulema disagree with. Alhumdulillah these two platforms support, promote and fight for the true teachings of the Islam

Not all of that is true. You can find Shaykh al Islams videos on youtube where they categorically include the wives of The Holy Prophet SallAllaho Alayhi Wasallam in ayat e tatheer, encourage people to do nara tehqeek, haq char yaar and hold Hadrat Abu Bakr as-Siddiq RadiAllah Anh as afzal after the Prophets and Messengers Alaihi Salaam Ajmaeen.

[Naeemia]

Just as I said, that politics has greater part in any big move. The press release of Jang has got not only bias content but also blunt lies. People who actually were there at the conference and those who know the inner version can smell the clever politics.
This unity stunt has happened with many ulema in the past, in the end they end up sitting in a VIP bench listening to the speeches of Shaikh ul ISlam ! This is the reality.


Mufakkir e Islam has got knowledge, nasab, hasab and age but he is not at all familiar with the wordly games and he does not have mass exposure. In a closed room he was praised and esteemed at the highest level which was not allowed to be videoed. But on the greater stage of Wembley, when mass pubic would view, it would be Shaikh ul Islam giving a grand lecture with Pir Abdul Qadir Shah sitting on the right VIP bench listening the Imam of this time !
That is how it happens. Shaikh ul Islam while giving his lectures also mentions or praises other Ulema in his gathering, indirectly meaning " Yes he is too big" but I am even bigger !


I was also told that Mufakkir e ISlam was told that he would be given equivalent time as Shaikh of Al Azhar. No no ! He should be given equivalent or greater time then Shaikh ul Islam !


Minhaj ul Quran no doubt has huge money and resources. Shaikh ul Islam does not need Markazi Jamaat Ahle Sunnah or Mufakkir e Islam. All they need is an image/video of Pir Sahab being an audience of a lecture delivered by Mufakkir e Islam. Job Done !


Again Mufakkir e Islam should not go to Wembley, unless he is invited as the main orator. That will show how much heart they have ! And yes we dont play politics and games.

Again the Press release is just pathetic ! Many people would not like this message. But this is what it is ! People who belong to Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani, save this message, it will be proven. The Jang press release is one evidence even for a layman.

[piara-madinah]

Faisal, on 04 September 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Not all of that is true. You can find Shaykh al Islams videos on youtube where they categorically include the wives of The Holy Prophet SallAllaho Alayhi Wasallam in ayat e tatheer, encourage people to do nara tehqeek, haq char yaar and hold Hadrat Abu Bakr as-Siddiq RadiAllah Anh as afzal after the Prophets and Messengers Alaihi Salaam Ajmaeen.

faisal bhai you right and again them views are 100% right.

sayed mohsin sheikhulislam invited janab abdul qadir doesnt mean that dr tahir needs to change his views or he have to agree 100$ with janab qadir sahub .

[piara-madinah]

Naeemia, on 04 September 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just as I said, that politics has greater part in any big move. The press release of Jang has got not only bias content but also blunt lies. People who actually were there at the conference and those who know the inner version can smell the clever politics.
This unity stunt has happened with many ulema in the past, in the end they end up sitting in a VIP bench listening to the speeches of Shaikh ul ISlam ! This is the reality.


Mufakkir e Islam has got knowledge, nasab, hasab and age but he is not at all familiar with the wordly games and he does not have mass exposure. In a closed room he was praised and esteemed at the highest level which was not allowed to be videoed. But on the greater stage of Wembley, when mass pubic would view, it would be Shaikh ul Islam giving a grand lecture with Pir Abdul Qadir Shah sitting on the right VIP bench listening the Imam of this time !
That is how it happens. Shaikh ul Islam while giving his lectures also mentions or praises other Ulema in his gathering, indirectly meaning " Yes he is too big" but I am even bigger !


I was also told that Mufakkir e ISlam was told that he would be given equivalent time as Shaikh of Al Azhar. No no ! He should be given equivalent or greater time then Shaikh ul Islam !


Minhaj ul Quran no doubt has huge money and resources. Shaikh ul Islam does not need Markazi Jamaat Ahle Sunnah or Mufakkir e Islam. All they need is an image/video of Pir Sahab being an audience of a lecture delivered by Mufakkir e Islam. Job Done !


Again Mufakkir e Islam should not go to Wembley, unless he is invited as the main orator. That will show how much heart they have ! And yes we dont play politics and games.

Again the Press release is just pathetic ! Many people would not like this message. But this is what it is ! People who belong to Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani, save this message, it will be proven. The Jang press release is one evidence even for a layman.

what you trying to say that dr tahir knows all wordly games and your pir sahub not so if he is that innocent why he accepted dr tahirs invite.
again in wembley there are many scholers will give lectures and every one have different time to speak and I dont think there they are giving more times to pirs etc there they are going to class only scholers and no pir and the all scholers will be same no age and knowledge etc are going to weigh in scales.

I dont think we got any pir or scholer or any alim or molve etc who cant play worldly games and politics and if they not then they must declare that they are ghulam e nabi not big big scholers and they will never fight to get big ranks and big welcomes etc.

[Fekay]

"Yes he is too big" but I am even bigger"




LMAO - this just made my day! I almost fell of my desk chair reading this!

Mufakkir e islam vs sheikh ul islam, Who's bigger?
My pir vs your pir!

[JoeDacky]

Naeemia, on 04 September 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just as I said, that politics has greater part in any big move. The press release of Jang has got not only bias content but also blunt lies. People who actually were there at the conference and those who know the inner version can smell the clever politics.
This unity stunt has happened with many ulema in the past, in the end they end up sitting in a VIP bench listening to the speeches of Shaikh ul ISlam ! This is the reality.


Mufakkir e Islam has got knowledge, nasab, hasab and age but he is not at all familiar with the wordly games and he does not have mass exposure. In a closed room he was praised and esteemed at the highest level which was not allowed to be videoed. But on the greater stage of Wembley, when mass pubic would view, it would be Shaikh ul Islam giving a grand lecture with Pir Abdul Qadir Shah sitting on the right VIP bench listening the Imam of this time !
That is how it happens. Shaikh ul Islam while giving his lectures also mentions or praises other Ulema in his gathering, indirectly meaning " Yes he is too big" but I am even bigger !


I was also told that Mufakkir e ISlam was told that he would be given equivalent time as Shaikh of Al Azhar. No no ! He should be given equivalent or greater time then Shaikh ul Islam !


Minhaj ul Quran no doubt has huge money and resources. Shaikh ul Islam does not need Markazi Jamaat Ahle Sunnah or Mufakkir e Islam. All they need is an image/video of Pir Sahab being an audience of a lecture delivered by Mufakkir e Islam. Job Done !


Again Mufakkir e Islam should not go to Wembley, unless he is invited as the main orator. That will show how much heart they have ! And yes we dont play politics and games.

Again the Press release is just pathetic ! Many people would not like this message. But this is what it is ! People who belong to Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani, save this message, it will be proven. The Jang press release is one evidence even for a layman.

Salaam,

Brother Naeemia

I am wholly dissapointed by your posting brother, to say the least. To me Syed Muffakire Islam is the greatest scholar and Imam of his time but I dont think I have to make it a big issue for others who believe that thier Shaykh is the greatest. They have every right to believe what they wish just like myself and you have the right to believe the same about Syed Muffakire islam. We accuse the Shias and Wahabis that in thier attempts to venerate the Ahle Bayt and Sahaba, they belittle the others. Yet we do the same. To big up one scholar, there's no need to belittle another.

I know some of my peer pies hold grudges against Shaykh ul Islam for reasons other than for the sake of Allah(swt)and these guys know who they are. People need to step back and look at thier actions. Are they causing unity amongst muslims or further dividing an already disenfranchised group.

Allah (swt) will hold all those to account who spread fitna amongst mankind and I'm afraid it feels like we're heading down that route. Just make excuses for your fellow muslims. Things dont always have to be interpreted in a negative manner. As muslims, we seem to have forgotten giving the benefit of the doubt. You and I both know that Syed Muffakire Islam works selflessly for deen and he doesnt need to have the final or longest speech to earn honour as Allah (swt) has honoured him already far more than me or you or MQI could ever have done. He himself says that this meeting was done for the pleasure of Allah (swt) and I think we should leave it at that.

Please dear brother, be of those who say kind and good words about others and just overlook small issues which turn big just out of posting a few lines on a forum.

Waslaam.

[Minhaji-Malang]

Desert-Sheikh, on 04 September 2011 - 10:29 AM, said:

With all due respect, I think both parties are 'Barelvi' and whatever name or title they choose, they'll always be labeled and remembered as 'Brelvis'. Please avoid passing general statement 'these Brelvis', they are from Ahle Sunnat.

Assalam. Hope you are in the best of health and imaan?

With all die respect, i dont think so mate - i am NOT a brailvi and never will be - Insha'Allah (no offence to those who are)... Im happy with what identity i have...

and as for labelling and remembering - we, the Muslim ummah are "lebelled" and "remembered" as terrorists, does that mean we are...?

As im a Minhaji, my Shaykh has a very clear stance on this issue, which is that he and his followers are NOT in any way, shape or form brailvi's...(If anything, im a Yeedon'ee - hehe) please do not insult me - im not saying that i hate them, id rather not be brushed under the same carpet as them...

Many thanks...

(My aim was not to hurt anyone, i just wanted to make my feelings on this subject clear)

Fi Aman Allah

[Mudassar-Rana]

Minhaji-Malang, on 05 September 2011 - 12:48 AM, said:

Assalam. Hope you are in the best of health and imaan?

With all die respect, i dont think so mate - i am NOT a brailvi and never will be - Insha'Allah (no offence to those who are)... Im happy with what identity i have...

and as for labelling and remembering - we, the Muslim ummah are "lebelled" and "remembered" as terrorists, does that mean we are...?

As im a Minhaji, my Shaykh has a very clear stance on this issue, which is that he and his followers are NOT in any way, shape or form brailvi's...(If anything, im a Yeedon'ee - hehe) please do not insult me - im not saying that i hate them, id rather not be brushed under the same carpet as them...

Many thanks...

(My aim was not to hurt anyone, i just wanted to make my feelings on this subject clear)

Fi Aman Allah

It would be then nice to elaborate as to what you do consider yourself as?

Why have you taken being called a brelvi an insult?