[Mudassar-Rana]

Imran., on 25 July 2011 - 11:20 PM, said:

If they ever decide to actually give it a go,can i humbly request they still not knock on my door. Thanks!

Can we have a picture if they do knock on your door? 3 days, 10 days or 40 days, the other offers you kaafila to faizan e madina doing meethi dawat of meethi sunat with meethay munni (filmi pun intended!) and munna and there both together! Happy days!

On a serious note the day it happens the day the kuffar sit at home watch the tv serials and we rule the world ...until then contend yourself with star plus!

[piara-madinah]

tableghi knock for qafilas and di ask people for qafilas both are same only the name is different if they all sincear we all will have one jamaat one ameer but we have 100,s jamaat and many ameer even in karachi we cant stick to have one ameer , everyone want fame or donations and there own intrest is fame.

if they sincear towards deen they all can disolve these jamaats and one jamaat they can have ahlesunnat jamaat where they will have one ameer and they all can work together but greed dont let them do it.

[PrioritySunnah]

piara-madinah, on 25 July 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

DI people do there jamats in makka and madinah they dont read behind the Imam so that is your dream that they will read namaz together but again possible for the new generations because they want them called ahlesunnat no bralvee no tableghi.

question came in my mind do they use same graveyards or bralvee dont bury there dead in tableghi graveyards .

Are you sure DI do not pray behind the imams of makka and madinah? That is extremely unfortunate. Such extreme sectarianism, may Allah tala protect us from it. IF that is honestly the case then do the DI/barelvis believe that the salaah of millions of Muslims is not accepted who do pray behind the imams, after they usually spends $1000's to travel to the holy land? What a sad sad state of the heart.

And as for graveyards, then what I do know is that one of the Cheif arcitechts of Taabeeghi Jamaat, Shaikh Zakariyyah khandelwi is buried in janaatul baqi, the most blessed graveyard on earth. Now unless DI/barelvis are saying they don't want to be buried in janaatul baqi........

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

PrioritySunnah, on 26 July 2011 - 09:55 AM, said:

Are you sure DI do not pray behind the imams of makka and madinah? That is extremely unfortunate. Such extreme sectarianism, may Allah tala protect us from it. IF that is honestly the case then do the DI/barelvis believe that the salaah of millions of Muslims is not accepted who do pray behind the imams, after they usually spends $1000's to travel to the holy land? What a sad sad state of the heart.

And as for graveyards, then what I do know is that one of the Cheif arcitechts of Taabeeghi Jamaat, Shaikh Zakariyyah khandelwi is buried in janaatul baqi, the most blessed graveyard on earth. Now unless DI/barelvis are saying they don't want to be buried in janaatul baqi........

Well its not only DI people who apparently don't read Namaz behind but there are alot of other Ahle Sunnah scholars who don't as well. Just do a little bit of search on this issue and you'll find out but I advise you to stay out of these isssues and focus on the basics learning of Islam and perfect them.

[HanafiUK]

Mudassar-Rana, on 25 July 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

It would help if we understood that it means 73 sects and not 73 maslaks! There are probably 7300 maslaks! deobandi, tableeghi, brelvi are not sects they are maslaks. Qadiani, nation of islam are sects and thus out of the fold of islam and destined for hell.

Bro Rana, not trying to diss you or anything but tablighi and deobandi are one but they are not part of ahle sunnah wal jamaah, and its a different sect. These guys jamaat started from Najd and its a Satanic fitna Group, and they will only cause fitna and divide muslims, until we stand up against them, so this unity thing is waste of time. If they want to unite, or if people want us to unite then they should firstly;

1) Stop attacking our beloved Prophet pbuh, and trying to degrade Prophet pbuh
2) Stop attacking our Prophet pbuh Parents
3) Stop attacking the Ahle Bayt May Allah almighty increase their rank
4) They should stop calling muslims and our forefather kafir, mushriks, bidatis as they were true muslims
5) Stop attacking and killing muslims around the world, as we all know who is behind all this fitna
etc etc etc

But they will never stop doing this because our Prophet pbuh warned us about this Satanic group emerging and causing fitna in the muslim ummah, people ignore what our Prophet pbuh said but come out with their own theories.

Those people who keep blaming the sunnis for not uniting with them, or for opposing them.
They should spend a lil bit of time and research on who started this fitna in the first place, who divided the muslims in the first place, who called sunnis kafir and mushriks in the first place.

You see these people are two faced, on one hand they will call you kafir and bidatis and then say OH THEY NOT READING PRAYER BEHIND US
This is their satanic act in order to get your sympathy and make you believe they are true muslims, but the question here is that if these new sects are true muslims, then you need to be true to your self and declare you consider our muslim forefathers as non muslims, but then again, they will never say that these days but 15 to 20 years back, they openly used to call them this, The Najdis in my family used to claim, either our muslim forefathers were hindus, sikhs, or Shias, or simple mushriks, who used to pray namaz, read kalimah, keep roza, zakat, hajj, etc but used to worship pirs and graves, and do wasila etc. Now days they claim they never said anything like this, just becaause they want to fool the youth again with new tactics and new face.

So all am saying is, its not as easy to unite as it seems and you will notice, its mostly the islamic political parties who call for unity, because they just interested in power, it dont make different to them if anyone says the following 5 points i mentioned above.

and ofcourse it would be amazing if we muslims unite and you know i can come up with so many fantasies but again, our Prophet pbuh honour comes first. and it also be nice to have;

ONE powerfull Islamic force
ONE army
ONE Ummah
ONE country
ONE Eid
ONE Bank
ONE Islamic channel
ONE Leader
ONE group
ONE Online islamic forum

See it sound amazing, but reality is very different

[PrioritySunnah]

Khalid_the_Warrior, on 26 July 2011 - 10:08 AM, said:

Well its not only DI people who apparently don't read Namaz behind but there are alot of other Ahle Sunnah scholars who don't as well. Just do a little bit of search on this issue and you'll find out but I advise you to stay out of these isssues and focus on the basics learning of Islam and perfect them.

Could you tell me some of these other scholars please? Or point me where I can search?

[PrioritySunnah]

HanafiUK, on 26 July 2011 - 10:59 AM, said:

1) Stop attacking our beloved Prophet pbuh, and trying to degrade Prophet pbuh
2) Stop attacking our Prophet pbuh Parents
3) Stop attacking the Ahle Bayt May Allah almighty increase their rank
4) They should stop calling muslims and our forefather kafir, mushriks, bidatis as they were true muslims
5) Stop attacking and killing muslims around the world, as we all know who is behind all this fitna
etc etc etc

Oh now come on, that is just utter nonsense.

1. I have yet to meet a tablighee who does this
2. I have yet to meet a tablighi who does this.
3. I have yet to meet a tablighi who does this
4. Most groups do this to each other, including barelvis. Infact barelvis go a step further by saying "if you do not belive in their kufr, then you too a kafir"
5. Lots of various groups have various understanding of jihad in the modern context, this is a whole different issue.

[HanafiUK]

PrioritySunnah, on 26 July 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

Oh now come on, that is just utter nonsense.

1. I have yet to meet a tablighee who does this
2. I have yet to meet a tablighi who does this.
3. I have yet to meet a tablighi who does this
4. Most groups do this to each other, including barelvis. Infact barelvis go a step further by saying "if you do not belive in their kufr, then you too a kafir"
5. Lots of various groups have various understanding of jihad in the modern context, this is a whole different issue.

Brother I dont want to start a debate with you as the people of this forum will say HanafiUK started this lol. So i will reply once 2u
By you saying what i mentioned is utter nonesense, shows to me your either ignorence or just doing this on purpose to defend the Najdis, as its widely known what there beliefs are!

1) In order for you to understand, you have to go in details, for example, they reject the great qualities of Prophet pbuh and to reject that, its degrading the Prophet pbuh.
They reject the Wasila/Intercession of Prophet pbuh and claim Prophet Pbuh cannot benefit us - Again this is quality of Prophet pbuh that Allah almighty blessed upon them.
They claim Prophet pbuh is just like us, and claim you shouldnt praise Prophet Pbuh too much
They attack our Prophet Pbuh knowledge just like the Munafiqs who used to mock our Prophet Knowledge, - Again this is the high quality of Prophet pbuh which Allah almigthy blessed upon them
etc etc etc

2) They attack Prophet parents pbuh because they claim their were Astaghfirullah non muslims and claim they used to worship idols, but ofcourse they were true muslims as they used to worship Allah almighty, they used to follow Hazrat Ibrahim Alai Salaam Religion.

3) They attack Ahle Bayt because they are followers of Yazeed but we follow Imam Hussain Ra

4) No your are wrong brother, again you either innocently been told wrong info or you doing it on purpose to misguide Yanabi.com members.

You need to read the history and then find out who started this, when Abdul Wahab Najdi declared muslims kafirs and Mushriks and accused them of worshipping graves, and declared Wasila as Shirk, and many other things,
So the najdis started this, and then scholars from Egypt, syria, turkey and Mecca issued fatwas against najdi wahabis and declared them the Satanic group our Prophet pbuh warned us about, and declared this group will cause fitna in muslim ummah. and Mr najdis brother declared his brother to be the horn of devil etc etc

And then this group went to India and started to preach their and declared that muslims in India are committing shirk and need to come back to Islam, so basically they were accused of worshipping other than Allah almighty or associating partners, and were declared mushriks.
and then the sunni scholars and people, some joined them but majority oppossed them and declared fatwas against their fitna and evil corrupt beliefs. as the sunnis said, we do not worship these graves but consider them the best servants of Allah almighty, this is why we come visit them and consider them as wasila as they are friends of Allah almighty.
So basically this is how this brelevi wahabi deobandi fitna started, but to know who started it, you need to find out, which group emerged there from najd and caused fitna.

5) No this is not a whole different issue. This same satanic group has declared jihad against Pakistani muslims and against muslim ummah, and you claiming this is different issue or different opinions.

Blowing up graves/shrines is different issue
Blowing up mosques is different issue
Bombing markets is different issue
Bombing houses is different issue
Kidnapping and raping muslim sisters is different issue
Assasinating sunnis scholars is different issue

Also please research what is happening or already happened in following countries

ALGERIA
CHECHENYA
SOMALIA
SUDAN
NIGIERA
KASHMIR
AFGHANITAN
IRAQ
PAKISTAN
BANGLADESH
LIBYA
YEMEN
MOROCCO

And find out which groups are doing bombings in markets, in mosques, in shrines, killing innocent muslims. and I can assure you, their traces go back to NAJD

I am saying this because its the truth, and i seriously am, up 2 you to accept it

Jazkhallah and sorri if i offended anyone

[PrioritySunnah]

HanafiUK, on 26 July 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Brother I dont want to start a debate with you as the people of this forum will say HanafiUK started this lol. So i will reply once 2u
By you saying what i mentioned is utter nonesense, shows to me your either ignorence or just doing this on purpose to defend the Najdis, as its widely known what there beliefs are!

1) In order for you to understand, you have to go in details, for example, they reject the great qualities of Prophet pbuh and to reject that, its degrading the Prophet pbuh.
They reject the Wasila/Intercession of Prophet pbuh and claim Prophet Pbuh cannot benefit us - Again this is quality of Prophet pbuh that Allah almighty blessed upon them.
They claim Prophet pbuh is just like us, and claim you shouldnt praise Prophet Pbuh too much
They attack our Prophet Pbuh knowledge just like the Munafiqs who used to mock our Prophet Knowledge, - Again this is the high quality of Prophet pbuh which Allah almigthy blessed upon them
etc etc etc

2) They attack Prophet parents pbuh because they claim their were Astaghfirullah non muslims and claim they used to worship idols, but ofcourse they were true muslims as they used to worship Allah almighty, they used to follow Hazrat Ibrahim Alai Salaam Religion.

3) They attack Ahle Bayt because they are followers of Yazeed but we follow Imam Hussain Ra

4) No your are wrong brother, again you either innocently been told wrong info or you doing it on purpose to misguide Yanabi.com members.

You need to read the history and then find out who started this, when Abdul Wahab Najdi declared muslims kafirs and Mushriks and accused them of worshipping graves, and declared Wasila as Shirk, and many other things,
So the najdis started this, and then scholars from Egypt, syria, turkey and Mecca issued fatwas against najdi wahabis and declared them the Satanic group our Prophet pbuh warned us about, and declared this group will cause fitna in muslim ummah. and Mr najdis brother declared his brother to be the horn of devil etc etc

And then this group went to India and started to preach their and declared that muslims in India are committing shirk and need to come back to Islam, so basically they were accused of worshipping other than Allah almighty or associating partners, and were declared mushriks.
and then the sunni scholars and people, some joined them but majority oppossed them and declared fatwas against their fitna and evil corrupt beliefs. as the sunnis said, we do not worship these graves but consider them the best servants of Allah almighty, this is why we come visit them and consider them as wasila as they are friends of Allah almighty.
So basically this is how this brelevi wahabi deobandi fitna started, but to know who started it, you need to find out, which group emerged there from najd and caused fitna.

5) No this is not a whole different issue. This same satanic group has declared jihad against Pakistani muslims and against muslim ummah, and you claiming this is different issue or different opinions.

Blowing up graves/shrines is different issue
Blowing up mosques is different issue
Bombing markets is different issue
Bombing houses is different issue
Kidnapping and raping muslim sisters is different issue
Assasinating sunnis scholars is different issue

Also please research what is happening or already happened in following countries

ALGERIA
CHECHENYA
SOMALIA
SUDAN
NIGIERA
KASHMIR
AFGHANITAN
IRAQ
PAKISTAN
BANGLADESH
LIBYA
YEMEN
MOROCCO

And find out which groups are doing bombings in markets, in mosques, in shrines, killing innocent muslims. and I can assure you, their traces go back to NAJD

I am saying this because its the truth, and i seriously am, up 2 you to accept it

Jazkhallah and sorri if i offended anyone

Brother hanafiUk, you are talking about wahabis/ahlul hadith/salafis.

Tablighi jamaat/deobandis are completely different, even with refutations of the salafis. I can even find you fataawa online from deobandis where they clearly accept things like which you are criticising them of not accepting, things like wasila, things like saying you should be praising the prophet, peace and blessings of Allah tala be upon him, as much as possible etc. It is clear that you have confused the wahabis with the deobandis/tablighis.

Anyway, this thread is not about all that. I just wanted to know if there were members of dawat e islami who were willing to unite on the far more similarities between the tablighi jamaat and them as compared to the handful of differences, a lot of which are nothing but semantics.

[Mudassar-Rana]

br hanafi uk

if there are alledged kufr statements by some people can you apply that wholesale to an organisation? nope. Our deen is the one that says that even if there is only one reason out of 100 to believe that someone is muslim then follow the one.

deobandi brelvi are not sects but mere different shades on ASWJ.

A sect is one that differs on the aqeedah and if that were to happen you cease to be a muslim. Hence the issue cannot be based on conjecture but actual open kufr both stated, admitted and avowed.

Unity is a must as it is known from islam - otherwise there were minor differences even between the early sahaba that didnt mean they set up their own groups and start takfir on each other. it is the nature of human being to have differences. The issue of deoband and barailly is that these were exploited by outsiders to weaken the muslim resistance to british occuption.

I find it abhorrent that you think that Chechen muslims or any muslim resisting occupation are somehow heretic and the only sincere ones are a particular group - if you believe that what is the difference between you and the wahabi who call everybody under the sun mushrik?

As far as attacking muslim market places i suggest you revisit the raymond davis case and thoroughly research it to realise who is doing what.

[PrioritySunnah]

Mudassar-Rana, on 26 July 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

br hanafi uk

if there are alledged kufr statements by some people can you apply that wholesale to an organisation? nope. Our deen is the one that says that even if there is only one reason out of 100 to believe that someone is muslim then follow the one.

deobandi brelvi are not sects but mere different shades on ASWJ.

A sect is one that differs on the aqeedah and if that were to happen you cease to be a muslim. Hence the issue cannot be based on conjecture but actual open kufr both stated, admitted and avowed.

Unity is a must as it is known from islam - otherwise there were minor differences even between the early sahaba that didnt mean they set up their own groups and start takfir on each other. it is the nature of human being to have differences. The issue of deoband and barailly is that these were exploited by outsiders to weaken the muslim resistance to british occuption.

I find it abhorrent that you think that Chechen muslims or any muslim resisting occupation are somehow heretic and the only sincere ones are a particular group - if you believe that what is the difference between you and the wahabi who call everybody under the sun mushrik?

As far as attacking muslim market places i suggest you revisit the raymond davis case and thoroughly research it to realise who is doing what.

JazakAllah,

[Mudassar-Rana]

PrioritySunnah, on 26 July 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

JazakAllah,

I certainly hope so - it gets tiring beating the unity drum!

On a serious note it would be nice to see both the green turbans and the white turbans knocking on someone else's door preferably br imran's for a start!

[dubaiguy]

Salam u alaikum,

Another useless topic. Needless to say, this topic is really not worth talking about. Common sense says, that unity can always be acheived between groups within the same sect such as DI, SDI, Minhaj or Saqafi Kerala or the numerous Sunni organisations working everywhere else. Unity can never be achieved, from a religious angle, between different sects. In the political sense, unity between sects is always there. Take the case of religious politics in Pakistan, bangladesh, kuwait, bahrain, lebanon etc.

Now here tablighi jamaat represents deobandiism whereas DI represents Sunnism. How can unity be achived?

To Brother Mudassar or the Sunni Priority Brother, please initiate a new thread which prooves that tablighi jamaat represents Sunnism and thus if prooven will this topic proceed further.

To all the mods, please lock this topic. Initiate a new topic, whereby Brothers and Sisters, who think that tablighi jamaat is a Sunni organisation can provide evidences.

Let us try to improve yanabi.com rather than plunging further into disarray and factionalism.

[silence]

Salam, to those people that think DI and TJ should unite and share one platform why dont you show us it can be done. With all due respect to all of you why dont you first unite with them and share in their cause and show Dawat-e-Islami how to do it.

[Mudassar-Rana]

dubaiguy, on 26 July 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Salam u alaikum,

Another useless topic. Needless to say, this topic is really not worth talking about. Common sense says, that unity can always be acheived between groups within the same sect such as DI, SDI, Minhaj or Saqafi Kerala or the numerous Sunni organisations working everywhere else. Unity can never be achieved, from a religious angle, between different sects. In the political sense, unity between sects is always there. Take the case of religious politics in Pakistan, bangladesh, kuwait, bahrain, lebanon etc.

Now here tablighi jamaat represents deobandiism whereas DI represents Sunnism. How can unity be achived?

To Brother Mudassar or the Sunni Priority Brother, please initiate a new thread which prooves that tablighi jamaat represents Sunnism and thus if prooven will this topic proceed further.

To all the mods, please lock this topic. Initiate a new topic, whereby Brothers and Sisters, who think that tablighi jamaat is a Sunni organisation can provide evidences.

Let us try to improve yanabi.com rather than plunging further into disarray and factionalism.

br you are right unity cannot be achieved between different sects - and that would be completely haram. As i have explained a sect is out of the fold of islam. To call tableeghi jamaat a different sect is incorrect. The same ingredient that is required for di and sdi and minhaj to unite is the same ingredient that is required for di and tj to unite. Its called "desire". Until and when the muslim realises his success and prestige was with unity and his downfall has been with disunity then let us debate length of beards, slogans and length of trousers. Let us continue to watch whilst more muslims are slaughtered and let us continue to watch annually how a mockery is made of the islamic calender. Let us not complain when our rasool e kareem s.a.w is mocked by cartoonists and our impotence means we can only burn our own shops and cars as opposed to when Sultan Abdul Hamid II threatened jihad al Akbar.

Your last line makes no sense - here we are calling for unity and you accuse us of plunging the forum into disarray and factionilism?

[HanafiUK]

PrioritySunnah, on 26 July 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

Brother hanafiUk, you are talking about wahabis/ahlul hadith/salafis.

Tablighi jamaat/deobandis are completely different, even with refutations of the salafis. I can even find you fataawa online from deobandis where they clearly accept things like which you are criticising them of not accepting, things like wasila, things like saying you should be praising the prophet, peace and blessings of Allah tala be upon him, as much as possible etc. It is clear that you have confused the wahabis with the deobandis/tablighis.

Anyway, this thread is not about all that. I just wanted to know if there were members of dawat e islami who were willing to unite on the far more similarities between the tablighi jamaat and them as compared to the handful of differences, a lot of which are nothing but semantics.

No brother seriously am not mixing anything up, I said it many times on this forum that I have cousins who are Tablighi Jamaat/Deobandi, Ahle Hadith, Salafi, Hizb Ur Tahrir, Jamat e Islami, and now some joined Al Mahajaroun, so Please believe me I know alot about these groups as everytime i get out of my houses i see them chasing some youths, except jamat e islami as they live in different town.
and brother stop misguiding yanabi.com members that Tablighi najdis are sunnis and have sunni beliefs, we all know very well what there believes are, the only thing is they very clever, becuase just say their is one tablighi in your town, i bet he wouldnt mind eating at Khatam, just to get mixed with the youths and then corrupt them. You need to go majority tablighi areas, propa hard core najdis wahabis.

In Pakistan in my cousins village, the tablighi have big darz as they got funded from saudi arabia 15 add years back, and they stop the people for reading Salat O Salam, Giyariween, Eid Milad, Read kalma loudly when someone dies, stop them going to darbar, against wasila and reject the qualities of Prophet pbuh, I mentioned all that above, so no need to mention again. Basically againt sunni believes.

[HanafiUK]

Mudassar-Rana, on 26 July 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

br hanafi uk

if there are alledged kufr statements by some people can you apply that wholesale to an organisation? nope. Our deen is the one that says that even if there is only one reason out of 100 to believe that someone is muslim then follow the one.

deobandi brelvi are not sects but mere different shades on ASWJ.

A sect is one that differs on the aqeedah and if that were to happen you cease to be a muslim. Hence the issue cannot be based on conjecture but actual open kufr both stated, admitted and avowed.

Unity is a must as it is known from islam - otherwise there were minor differences even between the early sahaba that didnt mean they set up their own groups and start takfir on each other. it is the nature of human being to have differences. The issue of deoband and barailly is that these were exploited by outsiders to weaken the muslim resistance to british occuption.

I find it abhorrent that you think that Chechen muslims or any muslim resisting occupation are somehow heretic and the only sincere ones are a particular group - if you believe that what is the difference between you and the wahabi who call everybody under the sun mushrik?

As far as attacking muslim market places i suggest you revisit the raymond davis case and thoroughly research it to realise who is doing what.

No brother you defo wrong on this one, deobandi/tablighi are not part of Ahle sunnah wal jamaah, i mentioned already above about the satanic fitna group emerging from Najd, and tablighi are defo one of that fitna group, dividing the muslim ummah.
and your right, if some tablighi individual never said anything bad about Prophet pbuh due to maybe he aent got enough knowledge to go there yet - but when i say tablighi, i mean that group beliefs. Its a fact that tablighi/deobandi got infuenced by wahabi najdi teachings and got influenced by kitab tawheed written by abdul wahab najdi.

No bro, I condemned those extremist who blow up markets etc, and kill innocent muslims, i think you need to read the history of chechenya and then talk about it, because they kill more muslims than russian army so how is that jihad, its true russia is doing alot of cruelties but there are militant groups in russia who too do cruelty, kidnap people etc.

This same with other countries, and i know raymond davis case, but you cant use him to back the taliban in pakistan and claim they not doing these bombings, i think you need to do abit of research on the cruelties on these extremist fake jihadis, serioulsy you would find these guys proper cruel and inhuman. And yes i believe some bombs in pakistan might have done by cia etc but the jihadi groups do most of bombings and for this you need to read the history and read the fatwas given by their scholars. and did you know, the taliban, after doing bombings, they claim they done the bombings, and on top of that, their supporters openly support this, as after all its holy war against pakistan army and its jahil mushrik grave worshipping people.

Just look what happen after usama died, here i am thinking maybe he a cia agent, but after he died, many people did his janaza, call him a symbol of resistence. but the question is, them same people dont even know who usama is, but they stil back him, just because they have same idiology and believe in this holy war against pakistan and other countries.

Look at somalia, its a fact that al shabaab killed many sunni scholars in somalia, and destroyed shrines, and wage holy jihad against Muslims, now you cant say thats cia, or use cia or mossad.

You see those people who defend the radical jihadi are real extremist in my eyes, as everytime anyone speaks against jihadi groups, there is someone out there, who never agrees and verbally backs them up everytime, and even if those extremist admit they done bad, they stil would say, ermm CIA, just like the CIA always says, ALQAIDA ALQAIDA, iTS all propaganda.

and lastly i would love for the muslims to unite and be strong again and have islamic state, but i believe all that will come with Allah almighty blessings, so why is that not happening, all you gota do is, look at now day muslims, attacking Allah's beloved Pbuh and nobody cares, and muslims do jihad against muslims, i mean is that even allowed or is there a such thing, many other things.

[HanafiUK]

dubaiguy, on 26 July 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Salam u alaikum,

Another useless topic. Needless to say, this topic is really not worth talking about. Common sense says, that unity can always be acheived between groups within the same sect such as DI, SDI, Minhaj or Saqafi Kerala or the numerous Sunni organisations working everywhere else. Unity can never be achieved, from a religious angle, between different sects. In the political sense, unity between sects is always there. Take the case of religious politics in Pakistan, bangladesh, kuwait, bahrain, lebanon etc.

Now here tablighi jamaat represents deobandiism whereas DI represents Sunnism. How can unity be achived?

To Brother Mudassar or the Sunni Priority Brother, please initiate a new thread which prooves that tablighi jamaat represents Sunnism and thus if prooven will this topic proceed further.

To all the mods, please lock this topic. Initiate a new topic, whereby Brothers and Sisters, who think that tablighi jamaat is a Sunni organisation can provide evidences.

Let us try to improve yanabi.com rather than plunging further into disarray and factionalism.

Yes i agree and sorry if i sounded like am trying to cause trouble or debate, but if someone saying on yanabi.com that is not true then i believe its good thing to correct them. and Its a fact that tablighi/deobandi are not sunnis, yes they may have been in the past, but then again, everyone were sunnis before najdis came.

[PrioritySunnah]

HanafiUK, on 27 July 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

No brother seriously am not mixing anything up, I said it many times on this forum that I have cousins who are Tablighi Jamaat/Deobandi, Ahle Hadith, Salafi, Hizb Ur Tahrir, Jamat e Islami, and now some joined Al Mahajaroun, so Please believe me I know alot about these groups as everytime i get out of my houses i see them chasing some youths, except jamat e islami as they live in different town.
and brother stop misguiding yanabi.com members that Tablighi najdis are sunnis and have sunni beliefs, we all know very well what there believes are, the only thing is they very clever, becuase just say their is one tablighi in your town, i bet he wouldnt mind eating at Khatam, just to get mixed with the youths and then corrupt them. You need to go majority tablighi areas, propa hard core najdis wahabis.

In Pakistan in my cousins village, the tablighi have big darz as they got funded from saudi arabia 15 add years back, and they stop the people for reading Salat O Salam, Giyariween, Eid Milad, Read kalma loudly when someone dies, stop them going to darbar, against wasila and reject the qualities of Prophet pbuh, I mentioned all that above, so no need to mention again. Basically againt sunni believes.

The tableeghis/deobandis are maturidi in aqeedah, hanafi in fiqh and they accept all the main schools of tasawuf. You don't get much more sunni than that. Publicly and loudly reading salaat o salaam, Giyariween, Eid Milad, Read kalma loudly after salaah etc are NOT in any way benchmarks of being a sunni, they are only benchmarks of being a barelvi. All these things you mention are either mubah or at best mustahaab. If some of the tableeghis decided that they see some/a lot of bad in some of those mubah/mustahab activities then according to their ijtihad they have the full right to not do them. It does not mean they are not sunni, it simply means they are not barlevi. There are more shades of the ahlul sunnah than just barelvis.

[HanafiUK]

PrioritySunnah, on 27 July 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

The tableeghis/deobandis are maturidi in aqeedah, hanafi in fiqh and they accept all the main schools of tasawuf. You don't get much more sunni than that. Publicly and loudly reading salaat o salaam, Giyariween, Eid Milad, Read kalma loudly after salaah etc are NOT in any way benchmarks of being a sunni, they are only benchmarks of being a barelvi. All these things you mention are either mubah or at best mustahaab. If some of the tableeghis decided that they see some/a lot of bad in some of those mubah/mustahab activities then according to their ijtihad they have the full right to not do them. It does not mean they are not sunni, it simply means they are not barlevi. There are more shades of the ahlul sunnah than just barelvis.

I get what you coming from but why are you playing games with me now ehh, why have you on ignored my other qoutes about deobandis/tablighi jamaat eh?????????????

and before you reply back saying, what you mean? I answer it for you, you basically saying all those things are brelevi and are mubah/mustahab, okay no prob but is it Mubah/mustahab to degrade our Prophet pbuh, by rejecting Prophet pbuh qualities, stop muslims going to darbar and calling them misguided, bidati, mushriks, there are many other things which i mentioned you ignoring.

The point am trying to make is that deobandi and tablighi are not sunnis. If some of their followers are sunnis or sunnis go to their mosques, that is different, but they defo najdis as you need to read their history, which i bet you twisted already lol