JoeDacky, on 17 July 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:
There is no doubt of the rank of Sayyiddina Muawiyah (r.a). He died with Imaan and was a Sahabi otherwise Sayyiddina Imam Hassan (a.s) would not have made peace with him. His rank is greater than any Ghawth, Abdaal, Qutb, or Pir etc
dude, where do you come up with such statements??? There is doubt??!! What, Allah SWT has given you His Knolwedge? or you know the knowledge of the hearts?? How do you know on what status did he die on???
Or whatever Huzoor Paak SAAW says doesn't matter, because you can simply throw his words behind your back and make up new deeni rulz.
dude, don't be blinded by the words of molvi's who are made to be idols again and who want to make new rules by rippin' Huzoor paaks words apart and destroying them.
Here is what Bukhari sharif said: عَمّارٍ تَقتُلهُ الفِئةُ الباغِيةُ يَدْعُوهُم إلى الجَنَّةِ ويَدْعونَهُ إلى النار
Huzoor paak SAAW is clear two in this sahi Hadis in two things: Ammar will be killed by the Baghi group (zalems, went out of the limits group). and two: he is calling them to jannah, and they are calling to Hellfire.
Either I take your words or Huzoor SAAW words. He calls them: Baghi's, and their leader is moawiya; i.e. according to the Prophetic words he is the Amir-e-Baghi's. Two: he is the leader of the: Callers to Hellfire.
Do you now dare to say the Sunna is to adopt Huzoor Paak SAAW words, and call the Amir-e-Baghi's as Huzoor called him, or you want to call him as Molvi' so and so wrote. Choice is yours.
You say there is no dout in his Iman, and Allah SWT tells us surat-e- tauba:
وَمِمَّنْ حَوْلَكُمْ مِّنَ الأَعْرَابِ مُنَافِقُونَ وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَرَدُواْ عَلَى النِّفَاقِ لاَ تَعْلَمُهُمْ نَحْنُ نَعْلَمُهُمْ سَنُعَذِّبُهُم مَّرَّتَيْنِ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَذَابٍ عَظِيمٍ
And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites. And among the people of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom.
Can you tell brother who those Munafiqin are, that were in Madina sharif when Huzoor Paak SAAW was there, and plural, so how many?
It doesn't have to do with Abu Said Khudri RA saying: we used to know the Munafiqin in Madina by their hatred towards Ali, does it?
and can you tell me the meaning of the Hadis in muslim sharif again:
قُلْتُ لِعَمَّارٍ: أَرَأَيْتُمْ صَنِيعَكُمْ هذَا الَّذِي صَنَعْتُمْ فِي أَمْرِ عَلِيَ، أَرَأْياً رَأَيْتُمُوهُ أَوْ شَيْئاً عَهِدَهُ إِلَيْكُمْ رَسُولُ اللّهِ ؟ فَقَالَ: مَا عَهِدَ إِلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللّهِ شَيْئاً لَمْ يَعْهَدْهُ إِلَى النَّاسِ كَافَّةً. وَلكِنْ حُذَيْفَةُ أَخْبَرَنِي عَنِ النَّبِيِّ قَالَ: قَالَ النَّبِي صلى الله عليه وسلم: «فِي أَصْحَابِي اثْنَا عَشَرَ مُنَافِقاً. فِيهِمْ ثَمَانِيَةٌ لاَ يَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ حَتَّى يَلِجَ الْجَمَلُ فِي سُمِّ الْخِيَاطِ ثَمَانِيَةٌ مِنْهُمْ تَكْفيكَهُمُ الدُّبَيْلَةُ وَأَرْبَعَةٌ» لَمْ أَحْفَظْ مَا قَالَ شُعْبَةُ فِيهِمْ
I asked Ammar: what about your stand with Ali, is it an opinion you came up with, or something from Rasulullah that he gave to you? He replied: Rasulullah did not give us something he didn't tell other people. Huzaifa told me, Rasulullah said: among my companions 12 munafiqs. among them 8 who will never enter Jannah until the camel enters the needle hole.. 8 of them will be taken care of by Dubaila.
What about this Hadis sir? can you tell me who the 12 "sahabi" who are munafiqs according to Huzoor Paak SAAW?? Note: he SAAW calls them Sahabi' (as'haabi) and calls them munafiqin at the same time. Who are those 12?
They don't happen to fall under his SAAW hadis: whoever hates Ali is Munafiq, do they?? and of course Moawiya did not hate Ali, he loved him, therfore he cursed him, then tried to kill him, and fought him, and split the ummah, declared war on the Khula fa Rashdin's governing style and exchanged it for father-son personal kingdom, and waged war on the sahaba and tabi'n killing in the 10's of 1000's of them. They: Allah curse them, but him Allah please him. All the Sahaba muawiya killed..no problem. a blessed deed indeed.!!!
Besides, what is Dubaila that will take care of the 8 most notrious of the munafiqin who pretended to be sahabi-e-Rasul?
A disease? Why don't you do some research on what is dubaila first, then do another research on how muawiya died, please.
Ibn Is'haq ( the famous Sirah scholar) said: moawiya died at 78 years with "hole driller" which is Dubaila).
just do some research and try to believe Huzoor Paak SAAW more than the words of the molvi's in the past 200-300 years, you will find a miracle of Huzoor SAAW fortelling the kind of painful death of muawiya and the torture he goes thru because of this flesh eating or flesh hole drilling disease. remember the quranic verse up: We shall chastise them twice.
Once here and once there.
Didn't Hazrat Umme Salama say: Huzoor Paak SAAW said: anyone who curses Ali, curses me and anyone who curses me curses Allah??
isn't this hadis sahih? How come the molvi's hide it and ripp Huzoor's words to protect moawiya? cursing Moula Ali is cursing Huzoor Paak, and that means cursing Allah SWT. What do you call someone who curses Allah?? Undoubtedly believer??
maybe but believer in what?? shaytan, idols, ?? either the molvi's words are lying are the hadis is forged, which?
dude, where do you get this notion that if he wasn't good, then Imam-e-Hasan would not have made peace with him??
Huzoor Paak made peace with the kuffar of Kuraysh and gave them rights that Muslims didn't have. what does that mean?. what is the legal implication of such an accord with moawiya? does it confer Iman on him? muslims made accords everyday with all kinds of kuffar to rule them as long as they are protected and have some rights when Muslims were weak... I mean don't you read history bro? Does that give any legal Shari rights to the moguls and tatars who ruled ruthlessly before they became muslims, etc..??
Imam-e-Hasan was left with no option, the mercenaries of moawiya and the assassins were everywhere, the whole state was collapsing, people who knew some Deen were being slaughtered. It was an emergency temporary measure, badly needed.
what about the hadis sahih where Huzoor Paak SAAW said:
يَطْلُعُ عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْ هَذَا الْفَجِّ رَجُلٌ يَمُوتُ عَلَى غَيْرِ مِلَّتِي. قَالَ: وَكُنْتُ تَرَكْتُ أَبِي قَدْ وُضِعَ لَهُ وَضُوءٌ، فَكُنْتُ كَحَابِسِ الْبَوْلِ مَخَافَةَ أَنْ يَجِيءَ. قَالَ: فَطَلَعَ مُعَاوِيَةُ، فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ
a man will come from this side who will not die on my Millat (deen). (abdullah son of amro ben aas) said: i had left my father preparing for wudu, and i was like someone who is holding his urgently needed urination out of fear that my father will come, but moawiya came first. Nabi said: is it him.
Or should we leave all the words of Huzoor paak to molvi's words?