[kalakahn]

IF YOU ASK ANYONE HOW TO SPOT A WAHABI, HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS YOU GET?

1- THEY DON'T SAY KHATAM ON THURSDAY
2- THEY DON'T DO URS MUBARAK
3- THEY DON'T DO MILAD SHARIF
4- THEY DON'T SAY FATIHA WHEN SOME ONE DIES
5- THEY DON'T DO YARAMI SHARIF
6- THEY DON'T VISIT DARBAR'S
7- THEY DON'T DO NIAZ

THESE ARE THE 7 COMMON THINGS I HEAR FROM EVERY PERSON, CAN SOME ONE WHO IS A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON TELL ME ARE ALL 7 THINGS I HAVE MENTIONED IF SOME ONE DOESN'T DO THEM, IS HE A KAAFIR, ARE ALL 7 FARD, WAJIB, MUSTAHAB, PLZ ONLY ANSWER IF YOU HAVE KNOWLDGE

[True-Seeker]

The above are all mustahabbaat and you wont be questioned about these in your grave inshallah

[Brother_MGS]

When I saw this topic name it made me laugh!!!

Do you think Brother Waj in the four lions was a hardcore Wahabbi to?

Its easy to spot one, Wahabbis say shirk to stuff that isnt shirk. Their second favourite word is Bidah, the whole world seems to be bidah.

And theyl always call their Ulema Bro. unless hes one of the top scholars then he will be called Shaykh.

They don't believe in langar, It might make a mess on the carpet.

Oh and Just say Ala Hazrat Imam-e-Ahle Sunnat Ahmed Raza Khan (ra) to them and youl see their blood boil.

[True-Seeker]

The real wahabi's are those with bad aqeedah, For example

Allah Swt Has a similar body to a human being

Allah swt is literally sitting on his throne

Allah swt powers are limited

The holy prophet s.a.w life is that of aalame barzakh

The holy Prophet S.a.w's body has mingled with the dust

They don't beleive in the awliyaa (saints) although they might believe that there scholers such as Mohammad ibn abulwahab was a saint but they don't believe in titles such as Ghauth, Qutub, Abdaal etc

They don't believe in Tasawwuf and rejecting Tasawwuf is rejecting a whole part of the deen i.e Tazkiya hence there are some serious issues about aqeedah when it comes to wahabis and same goes to shiah's
but the things you mentioned above have nothing to do with aqeedah there just mustahabs, not doing them doesn't make you a sinner however the problem is when you start considering lawful acts as unlawful

[Mudassar-Rana]

kalakahn, on 22 June 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

IF YOU ASK ANYONE HOW TO SPOT A WAHABI, HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS YOU GET?

1- THEY DON'T SAY KHATAM ON THURSDAY
2- THEY DON'T DO URS MUBARAK
3- THEY DON'T DO MILAD SHARIF
4- THEY DON'T SAY FATIHA WHEN SOME ONE DIES
5- THEY DON'T DO YARAMI SHARIF
6- THEY DON'T VISIT DARBAR'S
7- THEY DON'T DO NIAZ

THESE ARE THE 7 COMMON THINGS I HEAR FROM EVERY PERSON, CAN SOME ONE WHO IS A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON TELL ME ARE ALL 7 THINGS I HAVE MENTIONED IF SOME ONE DOESN'T DO THEM, IS HE A KAAFIR, ARE ALL 7 FARD, WAJIB, MUSTAHAB, PLZ ONLY ANSWER IF YOU HAVE KNOWLDGE

you forgot they dont have an argument over slogans and call it debate of the century!

by the way what the hell is yarami sharif! serious mispelling there almost makes it look like something else!!! Looks like you dont know yourself what it is called - i seriously hope thats not true - it reminds me of a time when a few guys ganged up on us and started saying they were hanafi's and that i wasnt! There was a serious embarrasment when i asked what was his name - reply came hanafi!

moral being be positive and know your own stuff before you explain others beliefs.

[kalakahn]

IF THEY ALL ARE MUSTAHAB THEN WHY DOES OUR PEOPLE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE FARD, I HAVE EVEN SEEN SOME OF OUR ULEMA JUST FOCUSING ON THESE 7 THINGS, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO WAHABISM, WHY AHLUS SUNNA WAL JAMAT IE ASHAARI'S AND MATHURIDIS SCHOLARS ESPECIALLY FROM SYRIA, YEMEN, AND ARAB COUNTRIES SAY WAHABISM DEVIOUTED FROM THE AQEEDA, i mean what muslims should hold beliefs about Allah essence and attributes, wahabis deviouted by giving Allah a direction, and many other things like the earlier sect of mujasma, it really saddens me that our big scholars never mention these things, they only mention hazir or nazir, noor or bashar, yarmi sharif, milad sharif, now i know why more and more people become wahabi's because of musthab things being made sound like fard,

[Brother_MGS]

True-Seeker, on 22 June 2011 - 11:59 PM, said:

The real wahabi's are those with bad aqeedah, For example

Allah Swt Has a similar body to a human being

Allah swt is literally sitting on his throne

Allah swt powers are limited

The holy prophet s.a.w life is that of aalame barzakh

The holy Prophet S.a.w's body has mingled with the dust

They don't beleive in the awliyaa (saints) although they might believe that there scholers such as Mohammad ibn abulwahab was a saint but they don't believe in titles such as Ghauth, Qutub, Abdaal etc

They don't believe in Tasawwuf and not rejecting Tasawwuf is rejecting a whole part of the deen i.e Tazkiya hence there are some serious issues about aqeedah when it comes to wahabis and same goes to shiah's
but the things you mentioned above have nothing to do with aqeedah there just mustahabs, not doing them doesn't make you a sinner however the problem is when you start considering lawful acts as unlawful

Its funny you raise that point, because they are very strict on the Shaykh they follow. Its almost like the Murshid/Mureed scenario we have.

[True-Seeker]

Mudassar-Rana, on 23 June 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

you forgot they dont have an argument over slogans and call it debate of the century!

Lol, Don't you think that should be under how to spot a sunni ?

[Hamzah]

What a stupid topic.


We will realize one day when it is too late that this wahabbi bashing has not achieved even one ounce of good for any of us. We as an Ummah need to unite. Learn to respect differences, let others do what they want.... follow what you think to be right.


A Muslim was attacked by the EDL a few days ago: http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be


They didn't give a dam whether he did khatam on a thursday or not.

Wake up and stop wasting time on these pathetic topics. Focus on bettering yourself as a person, doing positive khidmah of the deen and uniting the Ummah and defending it from the attacks coming from all corners!

This post has been edited by Hamzah: 23 June 2011 - 12:07 AM

[True-Seeker]

kalakahn, on 23 June 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

IF THEY ALL ARE MUSTAHAB THEN WHY DOES OUR PEOPLE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE FARD, I HAVE EVEN SEEN SOME OF OUR ULEMA JUST FOCUSING ON THESE 7 THINGS, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO WAHABISM, WHY AHLUS SUNNA WAL JAMAT IE ASHAARI'S AND MATHURIDIS SCHOLARS ESPECIALLY FROM SYRIA, YEMEN, AND ARAB COUNTRIES SAY WAHABISM DEVIOUTED FROM THE AQEEDA, i mean what muslims should hold beliefs about Allah essence and attributes, wahabis deviouted by giving Allah a direction, and many other things like the earlier sect of mujasma, it really saddens me that our big scholars never mention these things, they only mention hazir or nazir, noor or bashar, yarmi sharif, milad sharif, now i know why more and more people become wahabi's because of musthab things being made sound like fard,

True say brother, rather than focusing on the real issues we end up with petty issues unfortunately

[Brother_MGS]

kalakahn, on 23 June 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

IF THEY ALL ARE MUSTAHAB THEN WHY DOES OUR PEOPLE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE FARD, I HAVE EVEN SEEN SOME OF OUR ULEMA JUST FOCUSING ON THESE 7 THINGS, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO WAHABISM, WHY AHLUS SUNNA WAL JAMAT IE ASHAARI'S AND MATHURIDIS SCHOLARS ESPECIALLY FROM SYRIA, YEMEN, AND ARAB COUNTRIES SAY WAHABISM DEVIOUTED FROM THE AQEEDA, i mean what muslims should hold beliefs about Allah essence and attributes, wahabis deviouted by giving Allah a direction, and many other things like the earlier sect of mujasma, it really saddens me that our big scholars never mention these things, they only mention hazir or nazir, noor or bashar, yarmi sharif, milad sharif, now i know why more and more people become wahabi's because of musthab things being made sound like fard,

Instead of argueing why the Salafis are wrong, why dont we focus on fixing our mess as an Ummah

[Mudassar-Rana]

Hamzah, on 23 June 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

What a stupid topic.


We will realize one day when it is too late that this wahabbi bashing has not achieved even one ounce of good for any of us. We as an Ummah need to unite. Learn to respect differences, let others do what they want.... follow what you think to be right.


A Muslim was attacked by the EDL a few days ago: http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be


They didn't give a dam whether he did khatam on a thursday or not.

Wake up and stop wasting time on these pathetic topics. Focus on bettering yourself as a person, doing positive khidmah of the deen and uniting the Ummah and defending it from the attacks coming from all corners!

All agreed bro - i think its designed to cheer us up after the last few days!

[kalakahn]

brother the truth is we the ahlus sunna wal jamat are not practising our deen properly, i come from a family who does not pray 5 times a day, but when thursday comes my dad say's aren't you a muslim, why don't you say khatam, and again same thing for yarmi sharif and all other things I have mentioned (7 things, my family gives yarmi sharif every month but when zakat comes they don't want to know about it, and they keep thinking BERA PAAR HAI, Alhamdulilah since i've been listening to dawat e islami i come to know you that the true brehlvi's are DAWAT E ISLAMI only, they are very sincere in fulfilling the fards and do all the 7 things that i have mentioned and mashalla they do it very unique way not like rest of people, their all work is madani way, i've been listening to a lot of brehlvi's scholar's no-one has inspired me so much that dawat e islami has, i'm not here to promote dawat e islami, i am talking from my personal experience, you talk about tawwassuf, have you seen any murid of dawat e islami throwing money on ammer e ahl sunnat sahib, I love this man, he is true lover of our nabi (s.a.w), i know a lot of peer and murid say it is sunna, but was this a common practice among hazrat shaykh abdul qadir jilani (r.a), Hazart fareed ganj baksh (r.a), hazrat zanoon misri (r.a), junaid bagdadi (r,a) imam ghazli (r.a)

[Desert-Sheikh]

kalakahn, on 22 June 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

IF YOU ASK ANYONE HOW TO SPOT A WAHABI, HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS YOU GET?

1- THEY DON'T SAY KHATAM ON THURSDAY
2- THEY DON'T DO URS MUBARAK
3- THEY DON'T DO MILAD SHARIF
4- THEY DON'T SAY FATIHA WHEN SOME ONE DIES
5- THEY DON'T DO YARAMI SHARIF
6- THEY DON'T VISIT DARBAR'S
7- THEY DON'T DO NIAZ

THESE ARE THE 7 COMMON THINGS I HEAR FROM EVERY PERSON, CAN SOME ONE WHO IS A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON TELL ME ARE ALL 7 THINGS I HAVE MENTIONED IF SOME ONE DOESN'T DO THEM, IS HE A KAAFIR, ARE ALL 7 FARD, WAJIB, MUSTAHAB, PLZ ONLY ANSWER IF YOU HAVE KNOWLDGE

You yourself don't know the 'importance' of these 7 common things and asking if its fard, wajib or musthab but at the same time you call it a Wahabi spotting formula?....strange.

I'm a YaNabi.com Team member and i would like to confess that

- I never did any Khtam on thursday
- I never did Urs Mubbarak
- I never arranged any Milad Sharif
- I don't do Fatiha
- I don't do Yarmi Sharif
- I havn't visited any Darbar for a long long time
- I don't do Niaz

If it makes me Wahabi, i'm happy with that.

Jazak Allah

Zahid-e-Tang Nazar Ney Mujhey Kaafir Jaana
Aur Kaafir Ye Samajhta Hey Ke Musalman Hoon Mein

[kalakahn]

Brother may be you have a lot of knowledge on islam and you know in which categories these 7 things fall under ie mustahab, i'm talking about commen layman they only focus on them 7 things and think if someone who doesn;t do them he is not a sunni, this is the point that i was trying to make out. A lot of laymen give these 7 things higher status then fard namaz, zakat, brother i've even been in pakistan and people hold same mentality,

[Cynical]

kalakahn, on 22 June 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

IF YOU ASK ANYONE HOW TO SPOT A WAHABI, HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS YOU GET?

1- THEY DON'T SAY KHATAM ON THURSDAY
2- THEY DON'T DO URS MUBARAK
3- THEY DON'T DO MILAD SHARIF
4- THEY DON'T SAY FATIHA WHEN SOME ONE DIES
5- THEY DON'T DO YARAMI SHARIF
6- THEY DON'T VISIT DARBAR'S
7- THEY DON'T DO NIAZ

THESE ARE THE 7 COMMON THINGS I HEAR FROM EVERY PERSON, CAN SOME ONE WHO IS A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON TELL ME ARE ALL 7 THINGS I HAVE MENTIONED IF SOME ONE DOESN'T DO THEM, IS HE A KAAFIR, ARE ALL 7 FARD, WAJIB, MUSTAHAB, PLZ ONLY ANSWER IF YOU HAVE KNOWLDGE

I don't know what is wrong with his question... He asked a simple question on an Islamic forum and all he gets is ridiculed by others.

He doesn't say these things make one a wahabi, but he is saying most of the people cite these things when asked who a wahabi is, so his questions is, if someone does not do any of the things he mentioned, does that make him a kafir?

Was that too difficult to understand?

Anyway, I have not come across any alim from any sect claiming that these things are "compulsory" or one who does not do them is kafir.

There are bigger issues which are the cause of dissent between sunni's and wahabi...

[Cynical]

When some labels are wrongly applied on people, they start to loose their meaning. Same is the case with the word wahabi it has degenerated into a mere cliche, as it has been used very loosely, in one of the speeches Pir naseerudin naseer (ra) said, even he was called a wahabi, so if he was wahabi then I am not sure who a sunni is.

[Gangohi-Ka-Dushman]

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Hamzah, on 23 June 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

What a stupid topic.


We will realize one day when it is too late that this wahabbi bashing has not achieved even one ounce of good for any of us. We as an Ummah need to unite. Learn to respect differences, let others do what they want.... follow what you think to be right.


A Muslim was attacked by the EDL a few days ago: http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be


They didn't give a dam whether he did khatam on a thursday or not.

Wake up and stop wasting time on these pathetic topics. Focus on bettering yourself as a person, doing positive khidmah of the deen and uniting the Ummah and defending it from the attacks coming from all corners!

SUBHANALLAH!!!! Brother hamza, you mean we should just watch them doing whatever they want? we should just watch them destroy Mazarat of Awaliya, just because they think this is right and let them follow it? what kind of unity is that you are talking about? What should just watch them disrespecting Holy Prophet (Sal ALLAH hu Alaihi wa aalihi wasalam), just beacuse they think this is right to do and let them follow it? brother hamza, I really dont understand what kind of unity are you talking about? This formula is to damage Islam not to unity

Islam have enimies btoth from inside and outside, and we should face them both not just one!!



And brother DS, to not do these things (which you mentioned) doesnt make make you wahabi, but to not to belive in it, YES, it makes you wahabi







Ya Ali

[True-Seeker]

Gangohi-Ka-Dushman, on 23 June 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

SUBHANALLAH!!!! Brother hamza, you mean we should just watch them doing whatever they want? we should just watch them destroy Mazarat of Awaliya, just because they think this is right and let them follow it? what kind of unity is that you are talking about? What should just watch them disrespecting Holy Prophet (Sal ALLAH hu Alaihi wa aalihi wasalam), just beacuse they think this is right to do and let them follow it? brother hamza, I really dont understand what kind of unity are you talking about? This formula is to damage Islam not to unity

Islam have enimies btoth from inside and outside, and we should face them both not just one

So im guessing you have a solution brother... Would you like sharing ?

[piara-madinah]

Cynical, on 23 June 2011 - 11:08 AM, said:

When some labels are wrongly applied on people, they start to loose their meaning. Same is the case with the word wahabi it has degenerated into a mere cliche, as it has been used very loosely, in one of the speeches Pir naseerudin naseer (ra) said, even he was called a wahabi, so if he was wahabi then I am not sure who a sunni is.

very nice question bhai see what others will give answer yes if Pir nasir uddin wahabi then 90 % sunnies are wahabi , and his all mureeden wahabi but why people think he was wahabi , he was a big big ashiq e rasool and from ahlebait so can someone tell how a sayyed can be wahabi how all bralvees permoting sayyeds so who says that pir sahub wahabi give any link etc bhai, Pir Nasir sahub was a big leader from ahlesunnat waljmaat .I dont think a muslim can disrespect nabi paak saw 90% is mullahs politics and they making muslims against each other by saying that people disrespect they do this and they do that when it comes to money then these mullahs who making sunnies and wahabi apart they shake hand with them.

shaed kisi mullah molve nay pir sahub say halwa manga ho or un kay inkar per us nay socha ho he is wahabi.