[Secular-Revolution]

Fake video removed... (desert sheikh)

[Brother_MGS]

Although some naat artists are using Bollywood themes to their naats in the way they are recited. Which is a wrong motive and a money making motive just to make themselves sound catchy which means more bookings. The dawati Islami naat is defo an edit. Qamar Freedi recites the first naat beautifully .

The title is disrespectful to a fantastic poet, Ala Hazrat Fazil-e-Barielly (ra). Theres plenty of useless youtube videos attacking Ala Hazrat(ra) and Sunnis in general. Just like there are many attacking Ismail Dehlvi and Ashraf Ali Thanvi. Isit really wise going down this path?

[The-Mughal-Sister]

Oops a daisy seems like someone somewhere mixed up the tunes and cds.

I hope that is just a voice over for Dawat e Islami, not real naaths that the channel or organisation approve of. It doesn't suit their simple, basic image.

Personally, I disapprove of Bollywood/Lollywood rip offs, spoils the lyrics, spoils the mood and it just feels downright wrong.

I think naath khawans should be original, be bold, not rip off a Bollywood tune to keep their Bollywood audience happy.

Modern Zamana innit?

[piara-madinah]

you right brother we always asking the naat khawns dont copy and dont add music but the modern muslims say no we need music in it and the people fall in love with naat khawns saying no they are real ashiqans but the question is always if they reading naats for mohabt e nabi saw why they need tunes and why they need copy songs the answer is because they are reading naats for money so they need to change tunes and brought melody in it to attrcat the public then they buy cds more .

but again the fault goes to the naat khawns who starts this and still bringing more tunes in , once one knew thay are the copies then better dont listen them naats and again they need few rules and regulations that read naat but who ever copy songs if they fine them but instead of asking them not to follow songs tunes they are giving them titles of different birds of madinah shareef when they know the naats they reading all songs copies.

and no doubt in it we all knew them are the copies of songs , as you post this video as a proof , sharm say doob jana cahiyee uger ik ashiq e nabi ko madhaa e nabvi saw kay liye or koi tune nahe mili and he is relying on copying bolywood songs.

and again how people shower money in weddings and in films on a singer same on mehfils they shower on these naat khawans and in few videos you can see how greedy they are collecting money and they never ask them dont throw money even people asking them can we have change money as they got hundred and wants to change in tens to show they shower more and when they reading giving them change etc .

how can one do that keeping an greedy eye on the money when he is reading naat with love and feeling he is on derbar e nabvi saw shareef .

when one reciting in love he dont know what is around him that much he is in deep love with nabi paak saw.

we need to differnitiate who is a naat khawn or who is a singer pretending as he is a naat khawn and again the difference in ashiq e nabi or professional naat khawns.

[piara-madinah]

yes on you tube people edit etc that is v bad but still yes they are the copies of the songs and we all knew nearly 80 % are in this clip .

[Secular-Revolution]

Plaigarism exists at all levels when it comes to Music.

I think the Dawate Islami clips are the most entertaining due to the actions of the Molvi sahab. When a 3 year old kid behaves that way, we say its cute. When an old man with a brown beard does the same, its entertaining.

I just dropped on the clip by accident. I don't mind it as much as it doesn't affect me because I don't listen to any modern naats or naats khawans anyway. Its the plaigarism that bothers me.

Atleast bollywood are doing something good such that their tunes are helping young and upcoming naat khwaans.

[Brother_MGS]

 Secular-Revolution, on 24 May 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

Plaigarism exists at all levels when it comes to Music.

I think the Dawate Islami clips are the most entertaining due to the actions of the Molvi sahab. When a 3 year old kid behaves that way, we say its cute. When an old man with a brown beard does the same, its entertaining.

I just dropped on the clip by accident. I don't mind it as much as it doesn't affect me because I don't listen to any modern naats or naats khawans anyway. Its the plaigarism that bothers me.

Atleast bollywood are doing something good such that their tunes are helping young and upcoming naat khwaans.

Likewise bro. I do listen to current naat khwans but only if their reciting quality Qalams of the yesteryear. For example poetry of calibre from the likes of Allama Iqbl(ra), Hazrat Sultan Bahu(ra), Bulleh Shah(ra), Pir Mehr Ali Shah(ra) etc.

[piara-madinah]

sr bhai do we need bollywood to help naat khawans to read naats when they got real love of nabi paak , no we dont need any bollywoods .

The good naat khawns need to bicot the naat khawns who are copying bollywoods tunes if they think in there mind who,s praise they doing they will not go near them tunes but if they got mind there.

muzhub ko muzhub sunmjhoo drama nahe bnana cahiyee

naat shareef ko naat rehny do gana nahe bnana cahiyee

so to that we need to differntiate a good moualna and drama moulana and again the real naat khawn and professional naat khawns because the real will have love of nabi paak and the fake drama baz have only an eye to fill his pocket and no heart and brain .

[Secular-Revolution]

 piara-madinah, on 24 May 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

sr bhai do we need bollywood to help naat khawans to read naats when they got real love of nabi paak , no we dont need any bollywoods .

I agree, we don't.

Also, I think due to the heavy focus on the tunes the quality of the poetry has suffered quite poorly.

In the present times, I enjoy reading naats on paper more than I do listening to them unless you bring in the classical naat khwaans of yester years.

[Secular-Revolution]

 Brother_MGS, on 24 May 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

Likewise bro. I do listen to current naat khwans but only if their reciting quality Qalams of the yesteryear. For example poetry of calibre from the likes of Allama Iqbl(ra), Hazrat Sultan Bahu(ra), Bulleh Shah(ra), Pir Mehr Ali Shah(ra) etc.

With regards to the above named personalities the difference that I believe was that they wrote naats in the true spirit rather than with the intent of making it into a commercial album. Thus the feelings came from the heart and the quality was thus outstanding.

Also the public focus in those times was on the poets. Nowdays its on the naat khwaans.

[Deen1]

I would like to know how you all know which naat sounds like a bollywood/lollywood song?

Is it because you have listened to these songs? is it because you listen to these songs?

I listen to naats and nothing but naats.

Ive never thought for a moment hmm this naat sounds like a bollywood song. Why? Because I dont listen to songs!

Maybe you should all look a little closer to home as to why you think these naats resemble bollywood songs.

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

Paid naat khawans - it doesn't sound right! Is it?

That's the problem I've with modern naat khawans. They worry about their tunes more than they worry about the actual words which they recite.

I don't enjoy naat khawan which get paid for reciting naats or have albums to make money. They have made a noble deed a profession which is very sad.

Back to the video;

Well i think it’s a cheap shot by a youtube Shiekh. The first naat which were read by a lady and couple of other guys did sound like that bollywood song but its not that clear and not that obvious. The second video about DI is very cheap as well. You can easily see the naat was added on top of the video and it’s actually not a real naat by DI. I for one don't like people being filmed when they are in the state of ecstasy/expressive but that's for DI to decide. I didn’t bother watching after that.......

[The-Mughal-Sister]

 Khalid_the_Warrior, on 24 May 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

Back to the video;

Well i think it’s a cheap shot by a youtube Shiekh. The first naat which were read by a lady and couple of other guys did sound like that bollywood song but its not that clear and not that obvious. The second video about DI is very cheap as well. You can easily see the naat was added on top of the video and it’s actually not a real naat by DI. I for one don't like people being filmed when they are in the state of ecstasy/expressive but that's for DI to decide. I didn’t bother watching after that.......

That's why I am sceptical when watching You tube videos, seeing is not believing in a world of photo shopping, video editing, and religious politics. Rival groups set out to bring the other down, and waste time arguing with one another when there is a greater good to address and bring to the front line.

I do agree, that the attention is on the Naath khawan himself, the pomp, and the entertainment value as opposed to the lyrics and the poetry. Times change

[Secular-Revolution]

 Deen1, on 24 May 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

I would like to know how you all know which naat sounds like a bollywood/lollywood song?

Is it because you have listened to these songs? is it because you listen to these songs?

As far as I'm concerned, yes ofcourse I do. Quite a few of those are my favourites. They're mostly Nadeem-Shravan tunes and I like their style of music.

And so do the Naat Khwaans obviously if they can replicate the tunes so well.

[Secular-Revolution]

 Khalid_the_Warrior, on 24 May 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

You can easily see the naat was added on top of the video and it’s actually not a real naat by DI. I for one don't like people being filmed when they are in the state of ecstasy/expressive but that's for DI to decide. I didn’t bother watching after that.......

I don't watch Madani channel so I cannot comment on whether the sound was added by the youtuber or originally by Madani channel itself.

I do however find this so-called state of ecstacy fascinating. When a Mullah does it, its ecstacy. When a secularist does it, its men behaving badly?

I only wish we can get it added to the law somehow as an exception for Muslims, so the next time I feel like acting up, I'll just claim I'm in ecstacy.

Just like its not me writing this post. I tell you I'm innocent. The devil has possessed me and I've been consumed by the state of evil retardedness <-- is that even a word?.

Anyways you get the point. Convenient isn't it?

[Desert-Sheikh]

Once a modern Naat Khwans respected mother was proudly revealing "mera putar indian gaane sun ke naat bana lenda". Usually they write down the complete song then replace the words with Madina, Makkah and recite in the same tune as the song.

Though i don't like it nor do i listen any modern Naats but we cannot put a ban on it. It's demand of this age same as in presences of traditional classical music, Pop/Rock music has made its place everywhere.

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

 Secular-Revolution, on 24 May 2011 - 02:20 PM, said:

I don't watch Madani channel so I cannot comment on whether the sound was added by the youtuber or originally by Madani channel itself.

No brother SR. you don't have to watch madni channel to know if it was real or fake.The picture and sound doesn't go together.

[Secular-Revolution]

 Desert-Sheikh, on 24 May 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:

Though i don't like it nor do i listen any modern Naats but we cannot put a ban on it. It's demand of this age same as in presences of traditional classical music, Pop/Rock music has made its place everywhere.

Good point! Thus in other words, they're merely giving the public "what it wants".

Where there is a demand, there will be a supply!

However, what do people think is the reason for that demand to exist in the first place. Is it the same reason for why there are more female-starved men in Muslim countries than western?

Music is the language of the soul. By banning it in religious circles, has one given rise to their desires such that they have been forced to become creative and come up with a so-called permissible version of the same?

[Secular-Revolution]

 Khalid_the_Warrior, on 24 May 2011 - 02:25 PM, said:

No brother SR. you don't have to watch madni channel to know if it was real or fake.The picture and sound doesn't go together.

No I agree the audio is overlaid? But its merely a camera span of the audience so it is perfectly plausible to believe that the naat has been put on by the channel itself.

If you think about it, what would the microphone been picking up at that instance? Howling, Crying and Sobbing so makes sense to put a naat on?

It may well be edited by the Youtubers but I don't think your resoning presents any evidence of this. Does somebody have the original clips to prove it is edited?

[Brother_MGS]

 Secular-Revolution, on 24 May 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Good point! Thus in other words, they're merely giving the public "what it wants".

Where there is a demand, there will be a supply!

However, what do people think is the reason for that demand to exist in the first place. Is it the same reason for why there are more female-starved men in Muslim countries than western?

Music is the language of the soul. By banning it in religious circles, has one given rise to their desires such that they have been forced to become creative and come up with a so-called permissible version of the same?

Just like the Awliya of the yesteryear lived simple lives. Many on farms where they grew their own crops and ate of their own land. Travelled far and wide to gain knowledge and preach what they learnt under the banner of Islam. Wrote poetry for the passion of writing and ishq-e-Rasoool. For they enjoyed luxuries in their ebaadat and rememberance of the Creater and his Messenger. I wonder how important money and mureed registers were to them?

A sufi is a man that has a fountain of knowledge. Today a Sufi is someone who reads tasbih.

Todays Pir has to travel first class, executive hotel rooms in Saudi and lives in worldly luxuries. Just like todays naat khwan who are driven by money. Why live a modest life gaining luxury in the hereafter when you can get rich or die trying using religion?

Just like non religious songs have become similar with easy hooks to remember. Todays naats are following suit, less is on the lyrical content more on the hook.

Soon we will be seeing multi platinum Naat Khwans.
Money run things.