[al-husni-HUSSAINI-RAHEEMI]

assalamualaikum.
i just wanted to know if PIR MEHER ALI SHAH(RA) meet with IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN(RA) or with sajjadanasheens of BARELI SHAREIF.

[Imran.]

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al husni HUSSAINI RAHEEMI (07.02.2011)

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assalamualaikum.
i just wanted to know if PIR MEHER ALI SHAH(RA) meet with IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN(RA) or with sajjadanasheens of BARELI SHAREIF.

No,neither Imam Ahmed raza khan(ra) met with Syed mehr Ali shah(ra) or sajjada nasheens of golra,nor did Syed Pir Mehr Ali shah(ra) met with imam Ahmed Raza Khan(ra) or sajjada nasheens of breilly.

[danial]

Is there any script of Tajdar-e-Golra where he mentioned Imam Ahmad raza or wise versa??

If the Sajadda Nasheens of Both Grand Mashaykhs ever met??

[Imran.]

[quote]danial (07.02.2011)

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Is there any script of Tajdar-e-Golra where he mentioned Imam Ahmad raza or wise versa??[/quote]

Nope,not a single one( i think its the same the other way round too)!

Although moulana wasi ahmed surti(ra) who was a close friend of Ala hadrat breilly(ra),was also a friend of Ala Hadrat Golravi(ra) too.


quote]If the Sajadda Nasheens of Both Grand Mashaykhs ever met??[/quote]

Not sure, since there are so many on both sides,but i very much doubt it.

[Desert-Sheikh]

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al husni HUSSAINI RAHEEMI (07.02.2011)

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assalamualaikum.
i just wanted to know if PIR MEHER ALI SHAH(RA) meet with IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN(RA) or with sajjadanasheens of BARELI SHAREIF.

Wa Alaikum mus Salam,
No, Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah and Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan have never met each other. At the age of 15 (in 1874) Pir Sahib of Golra Sharif went for study at different institutes at Kanpur, Aligarh, Saharanpur in UP-India, Though Ala Hazrat's city Bareilly is also in the same state UP but he was only 19  so there were no chances of the meeting between both personalities.
Did they know about each other? They didn't mention about each other in any of their book so it seems they even didn't know about each-other's presence but it's really very strange because many of Ala Hazrat's Khulfa were Pakistani-Punjab based, didn't any of them try to introduce Ala Hazrat or his famous book Fatwa-Hassama-ul-Haramein to Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah Sahib? (there aren't any real solid evidences)
Even later, both families didn't have any relation with another. In 1934, when Hazrat Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah was still alive, Ala Hazrat's elder son Maulana Hamid Raza Khan came to Lahore, to debate Asharf Ali Thanvi (but Thanvi couldn't dare to face him) and they stayed there for 3 days along with many prominent scholars including Hazrat Naeem-ul-Din Muradabadi. It is impossible that Ulma-e-Lahore including Ala Hazrat's Khulfa' weren't familiar with Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah when every kid in Lahore was singing Pir Sahib's prediction about Mirza Qadiani (and every kid in Qadian was crying).
I'll appreciate if some user can provide more detail on this.

[Sahih-Muslim]

Qiblah al 'Alam Sayyiduna Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah al Qadri al Chisti al Goldrawi radi Allahu 'anhu did know about A'ala Hadrat Mujaddid Imam Ahmad Rida Khan al Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala.  Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah rahimahullahu Ta'ala did tasdeeq of a fatwaa of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan al Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala in al 'Ataayaa al Nabawiyyah fi al Fatawaa al Ridawiyyah vol 15 under the tasdeeqaat of the 'Ulamaa of Punjab Number 77.

[danial]

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Desert Sheikh (07.02.2011)

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al husni HUSSAINI RAHEEMI (07.02.2011)

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assalamualaikum.
i just wanted to know if PIR MEHER ALI SHAH(RA) meet with IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN(RA) or with sajjadanasheens of BARELI SHAREIF.

Wa Alaikum mus Salam,
No, Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah and Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan have never met each other. At the age of 15 (in 1874) Pir Sahib of Golra Sharif went for study at different institutes at Kanpur, Aligarh, Saharanpur in UP-India, Though Ala Hazrat's city Bareilly is also in the same state UP but he was only 19  so there were no chances of the meeting between both personalities.
Did they know about each other? They didn't mention about each other in any of their book so it seems they even didn't know about each-other's presence but it's really very strange because many of Ala Hazrat's Khulfa were Pakistani-Punjab based, didn't any of them try to introduce Ala Hazrat or his famous book Fatwa-Hassama-ul-Haramein to Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah Sahib? (there aren't any real solid evidences)
Even later, both families didn't have any relation with another. In 1934, when Hazrat Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah was still alive, Ala Hazrat's elder son Maulana Hamid Raza Khan came to Lahore, to debate Asharf Ali Thanvi (but Thanvi couldn't dare to face him) and they stayed there for 3 days along with many prominent scholars including Hazrat Naeem-ul-Din Muradabadi. It is impossible that Ulma-e-Lahore including Ala Hazrat's Khulfa' weren't familiar with Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah when every kid in Lahore was singing Pir Sahib's prediction about Mirza Qadiani (and every kid in Qadian was crying).
I'll appreciate if some user can provide more detail on this.

Brother Desert Sheikh Jazak ALLAH ... You said exactly the same question in my heart... I mean this really sounds very un realistic that both Shaykhs didn't even heard each other's name.... Mujadid-e-Golra was alive many years after Mujadid-e-Bareli but he never mentioned any of Imam Ahmad Raza work any where .....

It would be really appriciated if someone could shed more light on it ...

[Sahih-Muslim]

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Read the complete article 

 http://www.razanw.org/modules/alahazratbooks/item.php?itemid=75&page=127 Both scholars did great work for the deen al hamdulillah and thier blessings are continuous. 
 

[Desert-Sheikh]

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Imran. (07.02.2011)

Although moulana wasi ahmed surti(ra) who was a close friend of Ala hadrat breilly(ra),was also a friend of Ala Hadrat Golravi(ra) too..

Brother Imran, 
How is it possible that they weren't familiar about each-other presences. Ala Hazrat's Khulfa or admirers were present in all four provinces of Pakistan and Sarakr-e-Golra Pir Meher Ali Shah was the most prominent and publicly-famous Shaykh in that area.
Thanks God You-tube and Uk-bareilvi crew didn't exist at that time, or, all Mashaikh would have been exposed who didn't sign Hassam-ul-Haramein.

[Imran.]

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Sahih Muslim (07.02.2011)

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Qiblah al 'Alam Sayyiduna Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah al Qadri al Chisti al Goldrawi radi Allahu 'anhu did now about A'ala Hadrat Mujaddid Imam Ahmad Rida Khan al Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala.  Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah rahimahullahu Ta'ala did tasdiq of a fatwaa of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan al Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala in al 'Ataayaa al Nabawiyyah fi al Fatawaa al Ridawiyyah vol 15 under the tasdeeqaat of the 'Ulamaa of Punjab Number 77.

Brelvi mashaikh ulema also new of Syed Mehr Ali(ra) shah since all schools of thought e.g. sunni, ahle hadith,deobandi,shia accepted him as their leader and spokesman in the debate against mirza kazzab,each school sent a representative,suffice to say  muhaddith wasi ahmed surti sahib(ra) who was very close to Al Hadrat breilly(ra) and a teacher to some of his illustrious khulafa respresented the brelvi(sunni of UP) school.

Its illogical the 2 grand shaykhs didn't know about each other.

Its for sure, they have neither met nor mentioned each other in any of their writings.

Which fatwa is it you mention regarding above,hussaam ul haramain?

[Imran.]

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Desert Sheikh (07.02.2011)

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all Mashaikh would have been exposed who didn't sign Hassam-ul-Haramein.

Dear brother,you more knowledgeable than me,maybe there is a clue in there for you.:) Either that,or other divine wisdom. 

[Sahih-Muslim]

The beautiful humbleness of Qiblah al 'Alam Sayyiduna Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah al Qadri al Chisti al Goldrawi radi Allahu 'anhu "main chunke mufti nahin houn lehaza muhr bhi nahin rakhta"

Subhaan Allah the ajizi and ikhlaas of our akaabir 'ulamaa subhaan Allah

[qadrimuslim]

Both these buzurghs would have been familiar with each others work - they are both Mujaddid of their time and possessors of wilayat
you have to remember that this was a time where you could not just pick up the phone so we cannot expect the same communication
These days we revere these 2 more than others, but do not forget others like Ameer e Millat Pir Sayyid Jamat Ali Shah ® and other great mashaikh of the time - maybe we can compile a list of their contemporaries?
even today, we have some great Mashaikh, but they do not always meet or talk about each other .. or even see eye to eye!!

[Imran.]

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Sahih Muslim (07.02.2011)

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The beautiful humbleness of Qiblah al 'Alam Sayyiduna Pir Sayyid Mehr 'Ali Shah al Qadri al Chisti al Goldrawi radi Allahu 'anhu "main chunke mufti nahin houn lehaza muhr bhi nahin rakhta"

Subhaan Allah the ajazi and ikhlaas of our akaabir 'ulamaa subhaan Allah

Yes indeed maybe it was due to humbleness brother,otherwise his fataawa are very famous and followed by many(mashayk and non mashaikh alike)

Although i agree we should appreciate all our akabir,and  leave what we cannot understand to/as divine wisdom.

 

[Imran.]

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qadrimuslim (07.02.2011)

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they are both Mujaddid of their time and possessors of wilayat

This the absolute last word on it!

 I know myself and other Golravis have no problem in accepting Ala Hadrat breilly and Ala Hadrat Alipuri as mujaddids(in their own right),so the question remains is"can indian brelvis accept Ala hadrat golravi and Ala hadrat Alipuri as mujaddids too"? 

If not, why not? 

I myself have gone to Golra shareef have heard Ala hadrat Breilly's name been mentioned there(by the imam),why does fateh e qadianiat Syed mehr Ali shahs(who was ordered by RasoolAllah salalaahu Alayhi Wassallam to take on the biggest fitna of the time and accepted as leader in the fight by all muslims) not get mentioned by any of the Indian razavis(pakistani razavis not included)? 

This is very sad(not that these mashaikh are in any need of recognition as Allah has blessed them enough anyway).

[piara-madinah]

they knew each other must be but not important if they both not met or mention  each other as indian knew more about ala hazrat and pakistani knew more  pir mehr ali shah even in pakistan they call him alahazrat , alahazrat means buzurg a saint of the times but in india or indian bralevees means alahazrat is only iama ahemd raza .


pir sahub went in lahore for munazira with qadianies but he was very big saint  mujadid of his times and alahazrat of his time and pir and people travel to see him he dont travel to see them.

I only heard about alahazrat ahemd raza few years back but I llike his work and poetry and the work he done for Islam but pir sahub golervi I knew from the child hood so in pakistan many they didnt know about him but this is not a question why they not met etc that time many other alims may they never met .

Edit: Please stick to the topic. (desert sheikh)

[Mudassar-Rana]

Perhaps it would serve us better to find the mujaddids of today ?

[hafiz-qadri]

Aslaamualikum

Maybe their opinions and views differed on certain issues at the time.

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

It is hard to believe that these two Shykh's never met each other or more so never mentioned each other in thier work.
I don't agree on the notion that becaause they had differences hence they didn't speak about each other.

[piara-madinah]

beasnt if they dont have differnces that means they are great they dont want fame as now a days people argue and made differnces only to be famous etc , why you not happy that they dont have any differences etc.

as one br said find todays mujadid he is right find who is mujadid now a days and folow him instead argue on the ones were here 1000 years before, why wasting your time we got many alims now a days and easily we can find one who is the best .