[Hamzah]

Has anybody seen the "Milad fund" trend that has started on the TV channels? What do you think of this? I think it is sickening and I am sad to see that Ummah Channel is getting in on the act too. (I thought these guys were self funded?)

Why are they commercialising the Milad. These people!!!!!!! This is what I mean - our leadership and our visionaries have the wrong plans and the wrong vision. Our communities are being swallowed in to a well of deceit and culturalised, commercialised, fashionable "occasions" which they have made into the new deen. Where is the simplicity of deen, of following quran and sunnah, of being the best of human beings? Nowhere to be seen, its alll about the money!

What does the "Milad fund" actually get spent on? Is it to sponsor a family of orphans in Gaza or to build a new Masjid in flood areas of Pakistan? NO! it's apparently to organise a Juloos...perhaps a bit of langar ...and maybe some lights! SubhanAllah!

Would our Beloved Messenger SAWAS be more pleased to know that we have put some flashing lights up in the Masjid (nothing wrong with that in itself) or would he SAWAS be more pleased to see us feeding one of His SAWAS's starving Ummati in Pakistan? 

I'm not against spending money on Milad. Alhamdulillah there is nothing wrong with it, and I am sure those who spend it, also give plenty of charity. What I am against is the TV Channels bleeding people dry and using Milad as just another excuse to do so!

Why is it that these TV channels are so pathetic that even though they have the opportunity to raise enough funds through advertising revenue that they still beg the community to keep the channel running? If you don’t know what you’re doing or if you can’t afford it, then shut it down! Every other TV channel is self funded through advertising revenue! It's just another con. I feel sorry for our communities! If the TV channel cannot cover its costs through advertising then it should set a subscription fee, whoever wants to watch it can pay to do so. But no, instead its open to all and rather than giving us Islamic TV to watch they play a few clips and then the rest of the time are begging for money!  

The simplicity and sincerity of celebrating Milad is being taken away from us before our eyes, the community needs to take Milad back from the leaders and de-commercialise it. Stop paying silly amounts of money to call a mediocre Naat recitor who comes every year from Pakistan to earn his annual bonus! If you call them, pay their travel costs, give a gift on top and send them on their way. Focus on giving the awaam something beneficial to take from the gathering like a reminder about the beautiful character of our Messenger SAWAS. Stop chucking money around when the recitor is reading, its not a wedding! Listen with respect and adab.

Rant (no.2) over!

[Imran.]

Sadly it is indeed getting a bit too commercialised.

Wouldn't it be great if one of rich pir sahibans/moulanas/businessmen that run these channels stated that all proceeds of such a fund will go to a worthy charity and that all expenses of any milad celebrations will be bored by themselves?

People should call in and ask as to where and how these funds will be utilised,i mean if they're "your channels"(as they always tell people),then "you" have right to give them a peice of your mind.

[piara-madinah]

they not on subscription but most of them paying them yearly because they telling people this is sadqa jariya , to make these peers rich is a sadqa no its not , they conning people on regeion name and filing there pockets, milaad fund they saying they need money to do jaloos if you got no money dont do jaloos sit and praise to nabi , teach others how to love with prophet , according to them jaloos is only way to show the love of prophet.

in jaloos day they will fill there buckets  with money again, even on these peer channels they showing namaz from harmeen and they got no cameras there no one will allow them put one , they showing sunnah channel etc from saudia and saying plz contribute the madani nasryaat and pay us and that is only they hsowing the saudi tv .

if they limited them only who pay can watch then there money will less in sadqaat and nazranas.

we need to ashamed when we asking people for milad funds , these peers made there money bank balances inheritance etc from public money cant they pay for melad ceremonies , but they need always money and they usung nabis name , nabi paak will not please if they got universities colleges trust made from nabi,s ummat s money and still saying to do melad they got no money fund more.

these peer business actually need to stop , these tvs not for tableegh they made them taking money out and they never feel ashaed , there presenters are begging as some one sitting in a street or in a bus begging for hashmi surmah.

what they actually teaching to the youngsters beg con.How many peers we got birmingham full london full manchetsre full bradford full nelson blackburn full nottingham full derby peterborough you name it we got peers and peers what on earth they doing conning the ummah and claiming they love nabi paak and claiming they are the biggest peers and sufies no they are only money machines.

[sinner]

claiming someone has misused ur money is wrong in till u can prove it. am sorry to say but we have the bad habit of putting in false claims. yes U feel that our money maybe misused but U cant prove it because U dont go and ask them what they do with ur money. if you claim that the peers have banked your money than please provide an bank statement or something to prove this is for his own personal gain. if you have xyz pounds would you not bank it. the organisation will do as they have planned etc jaloos, jalsa, food if you dont like that. then SIMPLE DONT GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THEM.

[Know-the-Ledge]

Go Hamzah! I'll see you on the the otherside in a few years, when you'll be broken, disappointed and pissed-off; having realised, you can't change the system, but the system will change you.

Chor parreh, let's just proverbially drink and be merry :)

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sinner (26.01.2011)

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claiming someone has misused ur money is wrong in till u can prove it. am sorry to say but we have the bad habit of putting in false claims. yes U feel that our money maybe misused but U cant prove it because U dont go and ask them what they do with ur money. if you claim that the peers have banked your money than please provide an bank statement or something to prove this is for his own personal gain. if you have xyz pounds would you not bank it. the organisation will do as they have planned etc jaloos, jalsa, food if you dont like that. then SIMPLE DONT GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THEM.

This, is the system, beating you back - pow pow pow

[hamdaan]

Paisay ka khel hey sab...................
edit: no off-topic please (desert sheikh)

 

[blogger]

It's totally wrong to say that money from the funds are being used to line the pockets of Pirs that simply is not the case. Please bring forward some proof if there is any.

The bottom line is that these channels are stuggling with costs and so they are trying to gain some money through various initiatives. I'm not comfortable with the Milaad fund as well and the channels have a duty to specify where the money will be used. I wouldn't mind if they said they'd give say 80% towards charity and 20% towards the channel.

The various channels working in isolation have running costs which run into tens of thousands every month. The biggest single cost being paid to Sky for the space on their EPG. I've said this before the 3 main channels running from the UK are more or less copying each other with their programming some better in quality than others.

Why don't they team up and share the same Sky channel number reducing the costs greatly. They could take turns and broadcast on different days but on the same channel. Rather than being individual channels they should be set-up as studios serving one channel. With the equipment and set-up already in place there is no reason why this is not feasible apart from the obvious obstacle - poltics & egos.

[faizaneattar26]

salam

dawat e islami have a book about collecting money(chandey ke barrey mein sawal jawab). in this books it say that if you collect for a certain reason i.e masjid then the money collected can only be used for the masjid. it also say that the money collected for the masjid cannot be used for other thing which have no concern with the masjid. i.e madrassa bills, or t.v channels. if t.v channels are doing milad funds then they cannot use that money to fund the channel, it has to be used for milad only. all money dawat e islami get only goes to the section it is collect for. we dont mix the money around, what gets collected for a project gets spent on that project only.

[Ahle-Sunnah-Uprising]

Its not just the people linked to the subcontinent who are commercialising Milaad! the middle way affiliated people are at it also.....

http://asmakarif.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/a-declaration-of-love.jpg 

Its a sad state of affairs looking at everyone who commercialises it, not solely Ummah Channel.

[checkmate]

I feel your pain bro.

Milaad sharif seems fast becoming commercialised like christmas. We do unnecessary things. I was listening to a bayaan from a maulana from 'the other side' and what he was saying made soo much sense. Its not the act that is wrong, but much that is done around the act discredits the beauty of the act, and one wonders whether it should really be carried on with. A incident that took place last year or the year before involved the sunni masjid going to a bakery who are linked with the 'other' masjid and asked them to bake a cake and writing on it happy birthday Ya rasulullah salalaahualaihewasallam. They said no, we'l bake the cake but not writing that, the story was printed in the newspaper making the bakery look bad. Whats next, party poppers, party hats etc.

I accept both stands in regards to milaad sharif, people who say you can do it and people say you cant do it. I participate in milaad sharif, but have not done so for the last couple of years, mainly because I am busy, but also because I have not made an effort, I dont need a specific day to thank Allah for blessing us with his beloved.

I am not a big fan of the juloos, can someone shed some Islamic light on that, most of the time our juloos look like EDL protests.

Brother Hamza we are the next generation, we need to break form these shackles and raise our concerns and do something about it, else like KTL said we too will become a by-product of the society. You have raised important points.

salalaahu alaa muhammad

[The-Mughal-Sister]

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faizaneattar26 (26.01.2011)

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salam

dawat e islami have a book about collecting money(chandey ke barrey mein sawal jawab). in this books it say that if you collect for a certain reason i.e masjid then the money collected can only be used for the masjid. it also say that the money collected for the masjid cannot be used for other thing which have no concern with the masjid. i.e madrassa bills, or t.v channels. if t.v channels are doing milad funds then they cannot use that money to fund the channel, it has to be used for milad only. all money dawat e islami get only goes to the section it is collect for. we dont mix the money around, what gets collected for a project gets spent on that project only.

In Islam we have a book called the Holy Quraan, and it says you kill one, you kill all humanity, we don't like to mix things up and allow people to think they can kill all humanity as it equals to one.

Wake up Call: People don't allways follow the book.

[faizaneattar26]

In Islam we have a book called the Holy Quraan, and it says you kill one, you kill all humanity, we don't like to mix things up and allow people to think they can kill all humanity as it equals to one.

Wake up Call: People don't all ways follow the book.

salam if i am not mistaken that a hadith not the quran(i could be wrong) also people dont have to follow books or dawat e islami. its just something i wanted to point out.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

@Brother Faizan Attar

The Holy Quraan Suraah Al Maidah 5:32



- that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

[Mudassar-Rana]

its a downright disgrace. they might as well have a fund for each month - after all there is nothing wrong with a ramadan fund, a muharram or if we wish to play on peoples emotions a "hussainiyat" fund or "support our pirs fund" - though judging by some of their bellies they dont need much more support!

[Mudassar-Rana]

br blogger - they have been raising money almost every other day - if it cannot survive without donations then im afraid its not a business but a charity. And I dont know of any charities that run their own channel. 50k a month is a hell of a lot of money but arif adam is a wealthy and wise man so should know better than to indulge in a business that will not survive without donations.

If it is a charity then it needs to be clear about its finances. do their presenters not get remunerated? If so how much. I would like to know if I am to donate.

I know we have had this discussion before about ummah channel and its continued support of shah irfan saab - you werent a fan of shah saab then and you have reservations about this fund also yet still continue to give this channel the benefit of the doubt.

To me if they all closed down and actually used this money for charitable deeds would be better. We have taxes to pay, banks to pay and wives to pay we dont want to sponsor  orphan pseudo muslim channels as well.

[piara-madinah]

mughal sister posted ayats translation and after she told the ayat number welldone sister . if she wrote quran says how attar brother you think its not from quraan she must be certain then wrote thats why after she produce the ayat nummber but when you brother talking about dawat e islami you only follow what ever some di bro or sister said why dont you read quran with translation ist and then say dawat e islami ki dhoom .

little kids know that is from quraan.

as you saying di collect and spend where ever they mention for collecting may be these peer channels are doing the same but question raised why they collecting every day every week etc and why they collecting for melaad , who can run channels cant they celebrate melaad shreef from there money instead asking people put 1 pound 2 pound in there bucket for melad fund .

cant we celebrate melad without asking money how Rasool paak will see this and I know he will not like this .

masha Allah sister you got knowledge and specially on relegious topics quraan and sunnah.

[Know-the-Ledge]

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piara madinah (27.01.2011)

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mughal sister posted ayats translation and after she told the ayat number welldone sister . if she wrote quran says how attar brother you think its not from quraan she must be certain then wrote thats why after she produce the ayat nummber but when you brother talking about dawat e islami you only follow what ever some di bro or sister said why dont you read quran with translation ist and then say dawat e islami ki dhoom .

little kids know that is from quraan.

as you saying di collect and spend where ever they mention for collecting may be these peer channels are doing the same but question raised why they collecting every day every week etc and why they collecting for melaad , who can run channels cant they celebrate melaad shreef from there money instead asking people put 1 pound 2 pound in there bucket for melad fund .

cant we celebrate melad without asking money how Rasool paak will see this and I know he will not like this .

masha Allah sister you got knowledge and specially on relegious topics quraan and sunnah.

People say they don't understand you, but I absolutely love your posts and they make perfect sense as well, although you should use commas, which is why people are having trouble.

You seriously remind me of me.


I can't really comment in-depth, as i've not seen these collection hoo-bangs, so don't know what kind of aura and atmosphere it's being done in.

[Zarb-e-Ali]

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hamzah (26.01.2011)

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Has anybody seen the "Milad fund" trend that has started on the TV channels? What do you think of this? I think it is sickening and I am sad to see that Ummah Channel is getting in on the act too. (I thought these guys were self funded?)

What problem do you have anyway if someone wants to spend his money anyway he wants, theres no point to find criticism in every thing around you. Sponsoring an orphan in Gaza is more useless, because state of Israel receive special grants from british republick of shopkeepers to produce more orphans every year. The people of Pakistan can make their own grand mosques (they already are anyway) if the satans sitting at Berlaymont Building in Brussels remove trade restrictions from Pakistan and give them fair price of their products. 

[piara-madinah]

Jazak Allah know the ledge brother , we not perfect can make assumotions and mistakes but when we talking sense there is always someone sense us and that is true that common sense is not common, we here to learn and if we know something we can teach . This is a real family and which family Ya Nabi family so we all need to tolerate each other, try to understand each othere if not but few.

no hard and fast rules but we can communicate with saber and then we will see the result .

bhai faizan as you said sometimes people dont follow the book , my respected brother when you replied we talking about our book quran , we all follow that who do  not they not from us , we can use this phrase /proverb what ever for ordinary books not for quran.I hope you will not mind what I wrote .

its a pleasure actually seeing you all that you all study relegion , who not make if only 30 minutes to study the relegion and if you not certain when giving replies search then your replies will be knowledgeable and the points are perfect.

often it happened in communities as well few dont understand you but they start understanding you when they know you more .

[Hamzah]

I am not suggesting that the channels are definetly misusing the funds collected for Milad. My argument is that they should not be collecting for a Milad fund in the first place! Why do you need a "fund" for Milad as if it is some kind of emergency? These people have enough cash that they extort from people all year round, they don't need a "fund" for the cost of a Milad gathering or juloos. It is just another opportunity to get some more money (as it is for the naat recitors who come from abroad) and so they are all getting in on the act!

I can understand that people may wish to put some money towards organising a Milad gathering, of course there is great barakah in that, but there is plenty of opportunity to do this by giving a little amount towards the costs of jointly organising a gathering in your local masjid, for your local community. Or by organising a small milad gathering at home for family and friends. There is no need to give to the TV channels, and no real return for your contribution either (by way way of good, informative and beneficial information /knowledge about the life and message of Our Beloved Messenger sawas) which you would expect them to spend the cash on.

KTL, I am in the position to make micro level changes, Alhamdulillah. Perhaps some changes made will catch on and spread to other places. I have some ideas already which Insha’Allah I will try to implement at our Masjid's gathering this year.

That's what I am saying Blogger. If they can't afford to run the channels, close them down, or even better as you suggested, share one channel as a joint platform and split the costs. But  at the least they should have the ghairat to not start selling the Deen to people to make money to run their bloody tv channels!

Ahle Sunnah Uprising - I agree, its not just the Indo-Pak crew doing it. The rest are learning from us too, they just add their modern, professional touch to it to make it seem more plausible. 110 GBP for a ticket! SubhanAllah - at least tell us what the "fundraiser" is for! (BTW, good to see you posting!)

Check mate - OMG! A cake with happy birthday written on it. I just don't know what to say. What is this man? It's just artificial, face level ishq. An an excuse for a big party. No concern for the fact that the community is moving further and further away from the deen, and no intrest in using Milad as an opportunity to bring people back and to teach them who Syedina RasulAllah SAWAS is.

The Juloos is another one, dont get me started on that! I participate in the Juloos every year, but it is very badly organised, and like you said - sounds and looks like a anti war protest or the like. Needs to be like a "halal" carnival - in the sense that we show we are expressing joy all within the limits of Shariah and in a sensible fashion. Some may say I am being hypocritical here. But the difference between this and the cake example is that the juloos is a massive opportunity to do dawah. So we need to use that chance to spread the message about who RasulAllah SAWAS was and what his teachings were. This (doing dawah and answering false claims and accusations) is true love and service to His sawas's name. Not cutting a cake and eating it.

Changes to the juloos could include: better banners in english explaining what the juloos is for, recitation of english nasheeds so people understand what is being said, less loud chanting and so on...

Zarb e Ali- Whoever wishes to give to these “Milad funds” is welcome to do so. But, I think they are a waste of money, and I hope that maybe one or two people might agree with me. I have every right to express this opinion, that’s all it is, my opinion - you have every right to disagree. Also, I just want to categorically state that I am not against spending money on Milad in itself, I’m just against TV channels setting up “funds” simply as another opportunity to make money.

Milad is an opportunity to do some great dawah to non muslims and to bring Muslims back towards the deen. Instead it is being used an opportunity for selfish organisations to earn cash and make a name for themselves. We have the biggest juloos, best langar, most naat khwaans, best lighting and so on…