[piara-madinah]

now you know azhari why I said why you want to close the topic let people search so now you brought more fatwas.

and one question janab azhari mian sahub if a mureed will out from the list then what happened to the mureed is he will 100% sunni or less sunni.

[Azhari-Mia]

Sorry but i dont understand what you are trying to ask me: "and one question janab azhari mian sahub if a mureed will out from the list then what happened to the mureed is he will 100% sunni or less sunni."
Are u asking if someone is not Azhari Miyas mureed, is he less of a sunni than a mureed of Azhari Miya?
If this is question, Hazrat has never said that anyone who is not razvi or mureed of Bareilly Sharif is less of a Sunni. Hazrat has respect for all Ahle Sunnah Darbars/ Sajjadas, and mureeds of them Pirs are 100% sunni aswell, regardless of if they are bai'ah with Mufti Akhtar Raza or any other sunni pir. 
And if you are asking if he breaks his bai'ah- as long as the person has the same beliefs as Ahle Sunnah (Alahazrat) he is still 100% sunni. 

[Azhari-Mia]

Hazrat even accepts Dawate Islami as Taalibs (similar to Bai'ah but for blessings), along with Mureeds of Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqubi, Allama Zia ul Mustafa, Syed Shah Turab ul Haq etc.

[S-A-QADRI]

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Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has never said anyone who comes on TV is Gumrah. Even Maulana Ilyas Qadri, Hazrat has said that he is still 100% sunni, its only some people who are trying to prove otherwise. You will never find a speech where Hazrat says he is gumrah/not sunni. Yes, he has said that he has opposed Alahazrat in some Masalas but STILL SUNNI!!!

Come on AZHARI MIAN, Grown up bache.

We, users of yanabi.com not foolish. We know all what and when your betaj sharia said something against  our PAKISTANI SCHOLARS.

I think you are feeling ashamed being mureed of this betaj sharia, i can feel it.  leave him alone this sunni BADSHAH and live long with Ahlesunnat wal jamaat.

[Sunni786Soldier]

Asslamualaykum wrb,

Think everyone needs to stop. As far as I am aware no one on this forum has the scholarly knowledge to question reputable Ulema of this time.

Ameer e Ahle Sunnat Maulana Ilyas Qadri and Taaj us Shariah Mufti Akhter Raza Khan are both excellent scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa'l Jama'at who deserve all the praise and credit they receive. Recently, I have been working actively to raise funds for the first Sunni centre in my area.  I have met the main Peers within UK, and one thing I can tell you for a fact from first hand experience.  NO SCHOLARS IN UK compare to the above two named personalities.

What I seen is soul destroying for a "sunni" muslim.  As most members on here know, I have been very very very vocal against wahabis/deobandis but today I raise my hand and see the issue is within our own home. Our own sunni ulema; May Allah swt give them all hidayah and keep them on haqq.  UK Peers are about how deep their mureeds pockets are.  Deeper the pocket the higher the status (even if the mureed barely prays and shows).

Sorry for the rant.

Waslaam

[hidayah227]

[quote]Sunni786Soldier (23.02.2011)

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Asslamualaykum wrb,

Think everyone needs to stop. As far as I am aware no one on this forum has the scholarly knowledge to question reputable Ulema of this time.

Ameer e Ahle Ilyas Sunnat Maulana Qadri and Taaj us Shariah Mufti Akhter Raza Khan are both excellent scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa'l Jama'at who deserve all the praise and credit they receive. Recently, I have been working actively to raise funds for the first Sunni centre in my area.  I have met the main Peers within UK, and one thing I can tell you for a fact from first hand experience.  NO SCHOLARS IN UK compare to the above two named personalities.

What I seen is soul destroying for a "sunni" muslim.  As most members on here know, I have been very very very vocal against wahabis/deobandis but today I raise my hand and see the issue is within our own home. Our own sunni ulema; May Allah swt give them all hidayah and keep them on haqq.  UK Peers are about how deep their mureeds pockets are.  Deeper the pocket the higher the status (even if the mureed barely prays and shows).

Sorry for the rant.

Waslaam[/quote]

Are you serious? You got to be kidding me. Have you ever heard his speeches. He talks & replies generally on any subject or on any question that has been put forward to him without hardly ever giving any direct evidence from quran & hadith. Have you read any of his written work & pamphlets stories? Is this what you call a scholar, someone who often gives a opinion of another Scholar as an answer to a question & makes it out as if he as given a daleel? I have not yet smelt the fragrance of knowledge coming from this man.

Call him a great fakeer, i may agree. Call him a great peer i may agree, Call him a Great leader i may agree..But calling him an excellent scholar OF Ahle Sunnah is way over exaggerated.

Read the works of Sufan al Thawri (RA)

Junaid al Baghdadi (ra)

Qadi Ayad (RA) Ash-Shifa

Imam ghuazali (RA) Revival of Religious Sciences, The Incoherence of the Philosophers

Shah Bahauddin Naqshbandi (RA)

Imam ibn Hajar al Asqalani (RA) Fath al Bari -Tahdhib al-Tahdhib

Julaluddin Al Sayuti (RA) Khasaais-e-Kubra

Shah Wali-ullah Muhaddith Dehlvi (RA)

Imam Raza Ahmad Khan (RA)

Than read Moulana Ilyas Qadri's BOOKS such as.. The harmful effect of kebab & samosas- The Mysterious Beggar - King of jinns - Method of wudu - jinn resembling a snake - injured snake - destruction of the television - The Question on 3 divorces - keep the masjid Fragrant- And many more..Most books are no more than 20 to 30 pages.

And Than tell me if you can smell the fragrance of knowledge coming an Excellent Scholar.

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

A scholar is a a learned person; One who educates themself for their whole life.A seeker of knowledge.

Why oh why we indulge ourselves in these debates. don't we have anything better to do.

He's a scholar,no he's a peer,no he's shiekh-e-hind, no he's just a normal person,no he's just a muslim, no he's just stupid.

What are we trying to prove and what are we going to achieve?

Come'n guys - just look inside yourself first and try to find -- WHAT ARE YOU?

[Desert-Sheikh]

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Are you serious? You got to be kidding me. Have you ever heard his speeches. He talks & replies generally on any subject or on any question that has been put forward to him without hardly ever giving any direct evidence from quran & hadith. Have you read any of his written work & pamphlets stories? Is this what you call a scholar, someone who often gives a opinion of another Scholar as an answer to a question & makes it out as if he as given a daleel? I have not yet smelt the fragrance of knowledge coming from this man.

Call him a great fakeer, i may agree. Call him a great peer i may agree, Call him a Great leader i may agree..But calling him an excellent scholar OF Ahle Sunnah is way over exaggerated.

Read the works of Sufan al Thawri (RA)

Junaid al Baghdadi (ra)

Qadi Ayad (RA) Ash-Shifa

Imam ghuazali (RA) Revival of Religious Sciences, The Incoherence of the Philosophers

Shah Bahauddin Naqshbandi (RA)

Imam ibn Hajar al Asqalani (RA) Fath al Bari -Tahdhib al-Tahdhib

Julaluddin Al Sayuti (RA) Khasaais-e-Kubra

Shah Wali-ullah Muhaddith Dehlvi (RA)

Imam Raza Ahmad Khan (RA)

Than read Moulana Ilyas Qadri's BOOKS such as.. The harmful effect of kebab & samosas- The Mysterious Beggar - King of jinns - Method of wudu - jinn resembling a snake - injured snake - destruction of the television - The Question on 3 divorces - keep the masjid Fragrant- And many more..Most books are no more than 20 to 30 pages.

And Than tell me if you can smell the fragrance of knowledge coming an Excellent Scholar.

You couldn't digest praise of other persons because your Pir & Imam Dr Qadiri Sahib's name wasn't mentioned by that user. I always believed that Minhajians are pakke-bareilvis, thanks for proving it. 
Anyway, excellent post, i agree with you. That man never claimed that he is a scholar but what he has done Many Hazrats collectively couldn't do.
PS: No one wants Unity but Authority.

[piara-madinah]

a scholer needs knowledge and certify knowledge you cant call these pir,s and faqeers scholers and who giving there all life to education and leraning  you call them same as these man made scholers , still who wants to be a scholer can enrol in adult classes.

sheikh sahub if they cant digest praise , can you , you always taking side of these scholers who never enter in universities so how can they be same with the one is a certified scholer , if you dont like there sheikh ok but atleast admit that he is a scholer.

as you said man himself never claim he is a scholer , how can he claim he got no degree and certifications and if his friends are calling him alim Allamah , scholer he can simply ask and appeal to all plz call me a faqeer nothing else .kabab and samosa books and books about jins and snakes why we need them books and if writing on them topics boos make you a scholer then you can find many scholers around.

[piara-madinah]

dr tahir done the solid work reserch work and if we want to compare his work and the books he wrote , these other moulanas not done the 10% so instaed of praising his work if they comment then they have to get back these sort of comments from the peoples.

making mureed is not a work , writting tafseer is work .

[JoeDacky]

[quote]hidayah227 (23.02.2011)

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[quote]Sunni786Soldier (23.02.2011)

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Asslamualaykum wrb,

Think everyone needs to stop. As far as I am aware no one on this forum has the scholarly knowledge to question reputable Ulema of this time.

Ameer e Ahle Ilyas Sunnat Maulana Qadri and Taaj us Shariah Mufti Akhter Raza Khan are both excellent scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa'l Jama'at who deserve all the praise and credit they receive. Recently, I have been working actively to raise funds for the first Sunni centre in my area.  I have met the main Peers within UK, and one thing I can tell you for a fact from first hand experience.  NO SCHOLARS IN UK compare to the above two named personalities.

What I seen is soul destroying for a "sunni" muslim.  As most members on here know, I have been very very very vocal against wahabis/deobandis but today I raise my hand and see the issue is within our own home. Our own sunni ulema; May Allah swt give them all hidayah and keep them on haqq.  UK Peers are about how deep their mureeds pockets are.  Deeper the pocket the higher the status (even if the mureed barely prays and shows).

Sorry for the rant.

Waslaam[/quote]

Are you serious? You got to be kidding me. Have you ever heard his speeches. He talks & replies generally on any subject or on any question that has been put forward to him without hardly ever giving any direct evidence from quran & hadith. Have you read any of his written work & pamphlets stories? Is this what you call a scholar, someone who often gives a opinion of another Scholar as an answer to a question & makes it out as if he as given a daleel? I have not yet smelt the fragrance of knowledge coming from this man.

Call him a great fakeer, i may agree. Call him a great peer i may agree, Call him a Great leader i may agree..But calling him an excellent scholar OF Ahle Sunnah is way over exaggerated.

Read the works of Sufan al Thawri (RA)

Junaid al Baghdadi (ra)

Qadi Ayad (RA) Ash-Shifa

Imam ghuazali (RA) Revival of Religious Sciences, The Incoherence of the Philosophers

Shah Bahauddin Naqshbandi (RA)

Imam ibn Hajar al Asqalani (RA) Fath al Bari -Tahdhib al-Tahdhib

Julaluddin Al Sayuti (RA) Khasaais-e-Kubra

Shah Wali-ullah Muhaddith Dehlvi (RA)

Imam Raza Ahmad Khan (RA)

Than read Moulana Ilyas Qadri's BOOKS such as.. The harmful effect of kebab & samosas- The Mysterious Beggar - King of jinns - Method of wudu - jinn resembling a snake - injured snake - destruction of the television - The Question on 3 divorces - keep the masjid Fragrant- And many more..Most books are no more than 20 to 30 pages.

And Than tell me if you can smell the fragrance of knowledge coming an Excellent Scholar.[/quote]

Salaam,

I agree with you to an extent hidaayah, Allama Ilyas Qadri Sahib is not a fantastic scholar, with heaps of knowledge. There are many others out there who have more knowledge than him, but I think it's important to remember that whatever knowledge he has, he has acted upon, and taught others to act upon it. When coupled with sincerity, this is by far heavier on the scales than memorising loads of information and not acting upon it, which rather than call knowledge, we may as well term it data!

[hidayah227]

[quote]shadhilli (23.02.2011)

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[quote]hidayah227 (23.02.2011)

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[quote]Sunni786Soldier (23.02.2011)

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Asslamualaykum wrb,

Think everyone needs to stop. As far as I am aware no one on this forum has the scholarly knowledge to question reputable Ulema of this time.

Ameer e Ahle Ilyas Sunnat Maulana Qadri and Taaj us Shariah Mufti Akhter Raza Khan are both excellent scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa'l Jama'at who deserve all the praise and credit they receive. Recently, I have been working actively to raise funds for the first Sunni centre in my area.  I have met the main Peers within UK, and one thing I can tell you for a fact from first hand experience.  NO SCHOLARS IN UK compare to the above two named personalities.

What I seen is soul destroying for a "sunni" muslim.  As most members on here know, I have been very very very vocal against wahabis/deobandis but today I raise my hand and see the issue is within our own home. Our own sunni ulema; May Allah swt give them all hidayah and keep them on haqq.  UK Peers are about how deep their mureeds pockets are.  Deeper the pocket the higher the status (even if the mureed barely prays and shows).

Sorry for the rant.

Waslaam[/quote]

Are you serious? You got to be kidding me. Have you ever heard his speeches. He talks & replies generally on any subject or on any question that has been put forward to him without hardly ever giving any direct evidence from quran & hadith. Have you read any of his written work & pamphlets stories? Is this what you call a scholar, someone who often gives a opinion of another Scholar as an answer to a question & makes it out as if he as given a daleel? I have not yet smelt the fragrance of knowledge coming from this man.

Call him a great fakeer, i may agree. Call him a great peer i may agree, Call him a Great leader i may agree..But calling him an excellent scholar OF Ahle Sunnah is way over exaggerated.

Read the works of Sufan al Thawri (RA)

Junaid al Baghdadi (ra)

Qadi Ayad (RA) Ash-Shifa

Imam ghuazali (RA) Revival of Religious Sciences, The Incoherence of the Philosophers

Shah Bahauddin Naqshbandi (RA)

Imam ibn Hajar al Asqalani (RA) Fath al Bari -Tahdhib al-Tahdhib

Julaluddin Al Sayuti (RA) Khasaais-e-Kubra

Shah Wali-ullah Muhaddith Dehlvi (RA)

Imam Raza Ahmad Khan (RA)

Than read Moulana Ilyas Qadri's BOOKS such as.. The harmful effect of kebab & samosas- The Mysterious Beggar - King of jinns - Method of wudu - jinn resembling a snake - injured snake - destruction of the television - The Question on 3 divorces - keep the masjid Fragrant- And many more..Most books are no more than 20 to 30 pages.

And Than tell me if you can smell the fragrance of knowledge coming an Excellent Scholar.[/quote]

Salaam,

I agree with you to an extent hidaayah, Allama Ilyas Qadri Sahib is not a fantastic scholar, with heaps of knowledge. There are many others out there who have more knowledge than him, but I think it's important to remember that whatever knowledge he has, he has acted upon, and taught others to act upon it. When coupled with sincerity, this is by far heavier on the scales than memorising loads of information and not acting upon it, which rather than call knowledge, we may as well term it data! [/quote]

I don't really want to go down this road because it has already been discussed before on ya nabi.com. But in order to respond to your answer i will need to highlight a very valid point (briefly). Have you read the book Destruction of the television which i have listed above & have you seen his lecture on the same topic? Moulana Ilyas Qadri Sahib saying that tv is haram & that no one should keep a tv in their homes. Did you know that these books are still available & are being sold on their website, in their Shops, idara's and stalls? Its probably a good seller too. I shall not make any further comments.

 

[JoeDacky]

Salaam.

@ Hidaayah.

I see what your saying and it seems you hold an opinion on Allama Ilyas Qadri Sahib, in light of the television issue. We would be going down another long avenue if we start that topic again, so ill leave you in peace!

[faizaneattar26]

salam. well well its seems this tread has once again dragged dawat e islami into it. basically i just want to say before you go over board. who are we to decide who is a scholar or who is not. leave the ulama to do that job. if you want to go with the amount of knowledge someone has to be called a scholar then there is one who still exist that has more knowledge than most big people, yeah he is iblis he used to preach to the angels. how far did his knowledge get him, to hell. then you have the same version different model today in dr nalayak, bilal phillips and co who are all full of knowledge but are all lost, so what has the knowledge done for them. NOTHING. knowledge on its own can only benefit you till you don't put it into practise. have you ever wondered why ameer e ehlesunnat use basic language, because the ordinary people can also understand it as well as the learned. yes he may not have a phd or any degree but he has ilmein laduni.

[S-A-QADRI]

I don't really want to go down this road because it has already been discussed before on ya nabi.com. But in order to respond to your answer i will need to highlight a very valid point (briefly). Have you read the book Destruction of the television which i have listed above & have you seen his lecture on the same topic? Moulana Ilyas Qadri Sahib saying that tv is haram & that no one should keep a tv in their homes. Did you know that these books are still available & are being sold on their website, in their Shops, idara's and stalls? Its probably a good seller too. I shall not make any further comments.

 [/quote]

Brother!
This matter has been discussed several times before. I do not want to add anymore on it.

By the way, I need to say something about TAHIR UL QADRI SAHIB TOO

1- From where He get small beard, did he follow RASOOLL ALLAH Sallahoalaihewasalim or any Sehaba Radhiallaotalaanhu???????????????

2- Fake dream of Tahirul Qadri about Prophet Sallaoalahewasalim??????

3- How can he allow music in NAAT Shareef?????????? Did Prophet Sallallahoalaihewasalim allowed him? off course not. So if he is bigger than Prophet Sallahoalaihewasllaim cuz AQA Sallahoalaihewasalim ordered us to refrain from music.???????????

Remember i do not need any logic. I need only Quraan or Hadith Shareef????

Sorry, i did not meant to offend anyone. I respect Dr. TAHIRUL QADRI SAHIB, but..... BADTAMEEZ mureedon ko main aise hi jawab diya karta hoon. 

[rafiq]

Brother S A Qadri:

 

For your attention: This is Mawlânâ Akhtar Raza Khân making a frenzied attack upon Mawlânâ Ilyâs Junagarhî (leader of Da`wat e Islâmî) – listen to it from 13:00 if you don’t want to hear the whole speech:

 

http://dstats.net/download/http://www.sunnitableegijamaat.com/audio/azhari_miyan_andheri_bayain_1.mp3

 

 

1. Brother, I still have in my possession a photo of ash-Shaykh as-Sayyid Muhammad al-Ya`qûbî with a much shorter beard than Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri. Was he also doing wrong? I also have an answer from Shaykh Ya`qûbî in approval of a beard like mine which is very short!

 

As I say, the beard is a deep issue which will not be resolved on this forum or for atleast a few hundred years! We have to respect each scholars position.

 

 

 

2. Dream is one thing and its meaning can be the complete opposite thing. Knowing the meanings of dreams is a science on its own “ta`bîrur-ru’yâ” which only the experts in the field know. Books have also been written on this topic, such as “Tahqîqur-ru’yâ” by Hadrat Shâh `Abdul-`Azîz al-Muhaddith ad-Dehelwî (rahîmahullâh). NONE of the known experts in this field have ever cast doubts or spread rumours about Sayyidi Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri’s dreams. One cannot attack a dream but they can debate the meanings provided and this is ONLY by the experts in this field.

 

What does one make of the following dream then and it’s mean?

 

عن أم الفضل بنت الحارث أنها دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقالت يا رسول الله إني رأيت حلما منكرا الليلة قال ما هو قالت إنه شديد قال ما هو قالت رأيت كأن قطعة من جسدك قطعت ووضعت في حجري فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم رأيت خيرا تلد فاطمة إن شاء الله غلاما فيكون في حجرك فولدت فاطمة الحسين فكان في حجري

“Umm al-Fadl once came to Allah’s Messenger (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam) and said:

‘O Allah’s Messenger! I saw an awful dream.’

He replied:

‘What was it?’

She continued: ‘I saw a cut piece of your body fall into my lap!’

Allah’s Messenger said: ‘You have seen good. Fâtima will give birth to a son inshâ-Allâh, and you shall take him in your lap.’ Later on Fâtima gave birth to al-Husayn and was put in her lap.”

…

[al-Hâkim states:] This Hadîth is sahîh according to the conditions of the Shaykhayn (both Bukhârî and Muslim) but they hadn’t reported it.

(al-Hâkim, al-Mustadrak, Kitâb: Ma`rifa as-Sahâba (radiyallâhu `anhum), Awwal fadâ’il Abî `Abdullâh al-Husayn ibn `Alî ash-Shahîd (radiyallâhu ta`âlâ `anhumâ) ibn Fâtima bint Rasûlallâh (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam wa `alâ âlihî), #4818); al-Hâkim al-Mustadrak (Dâr al-Haramayn lit-tabâ`a wan-nashr wat-tawzî`, Muqbil Wada`î Ed. (da`îf) 1997/1417), 3:210, #4884)

 

This relevant portion of this Hadîth is also mentioned by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Abû Ya`lâ, Ibn Abid-Dunyâ, Ibn Sa`d, Ibn Mâjah, Tabarânî, Bayhaqî and many others.

 

Now someone completely ignorant of any of the rules of ta`bîr (interpreting) dreams will not know the relationship between the cut bodypart and the birth of a child. Similarly, they won’t understand how the same dream can have two almost oppersite meanings. Such is the depth of knowledge required to interpreting dreams. So a dream is one thing, while its meaning is another thing.

 

Lastly, I’m not the sort of person who quotes fancy stories or here say. I say this due to what I am now mentioning next.

 

It has been related to me [Rafiq] directly with permission to transmit by as-Sayyid Munawwar Husayn Bukhari, once at his masjid in Blackburn and a second time with my request at Minâ Sharîf on the occasion of Hajj in Saudi Arabia in 2006, who narrates that he heard directly from his murshid, the great walî, Pîr Muhammad Afzal Qâdri, that he challenged ALL of the Wahhâbîs and Deobandîs of Pakistan who doubted the dreams of Prof Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri to a public mubâhala (open cursing upon the liar). No one accepted the challenge and the detractors have since become silence. Let us not bring out those items which had been answered and refuted a long time ago again lest we become a means of was-wasa (whisperings of the shaytân).

 

 

3. I will continue to answer if you could kindly tell me who your shaykh is and where you are getting your Islamic knowledge from.

[SunniMaslak4Life]

@ S A QADRI

Al-hidayah has criticized TV issue logically and its established fact that Maulana Ilyas Sahib once used to be fully against TV (like bareily ulema)then later he understood that its a need of time.may be he has done ijtehad, ok its fine and we never have any problem with it. real criticism is comming from your own barelvi brothers from india and that too from bareliy sharif.and many of them are abusing maulana ilyas sahib you can watch there clips on youtube.

but al-hidyaah is not lying here he has just presented true facts on academic grounds, he never lied or abused maulana ilyas sahib.but what you are doing in refutation is totally lie ,and baseless especially on dream issue , you are making buhtan on dr tahir ul qadri sahib.please donot destroy your akhirah just for the sake of arguments.you could have simply replied back al-hidayah academically instead of using cheap barelvi tactics.
full refutation of dreams issue in the light of Quran & Hadith!
 http://www.minhajbooks.com/urdu/bookid/59

[Sunni786Soldier]

Asslamualaykum wrb,

Namely at Hidayah227 and anyone else who feels that Ameer e Ahle Sunnat does not deserve praise and credit.

I apologise for not praising Dr Tahir Ul Qadri, mashallah beautiful tafseer.  He is a great speaker, probably the best speaker there is today within Ahle Sunnat Wa'l Jama'at and good tafseer of the Quran (even though I personally feel Kanzul Iman is best tafseer out there and no other tafseer is required).

Anyways, moving back to Ameer e Ahle Sunnat, you really need to purchase Dawat e Islami pamphlets they have written which are very beneficial as they are easy to read for the layman.  In those pamphlets you will find that that references are provided from Quran, hadith and various sunni sources. 

I am not a mureed of Ameer e Ahle Sunnat infact I am a mureed of Dr Peer Abdul Qadir Shah Jilani (hope you all attended the 30'000 march in London, biggest in UK), but in this time there is NO ONE who has had an impact like Ameer e Ahle Sunnat has, this fact has been acknowledged and appreciated by Dr Tahir Ul Qadri as well. I am very very very happy to see your love for your Murshid but to truely love him, YOU MUST respect his views and his views of Ameer e Ahle Sunnat are very high.

Walaikumsalaam.

Ignorance is a bliss (aint it just ;) ) 

[Sayyid-Husain-Quadri]

A lot has been said and enough has been said here for the last few days and weeks.

Whilst I understand, where most of you are coming from and completely completely get your frustrations of the perceived lack of civility amongst 'scholars'. I find some of the comments and insinuations made here (often times out of innocent ignorance) deeply uncomfortable.


As someone, who's been long acquainted with the works and the personal lives of the 2 leaders mentioned here, I can attest to their unflinching moral character and unquestionable knowledge. It IS indeed sad and tragic that they happen to sit on the other side of spectrum but they do so due to their conviction and moral sense of righteousness. It is NOT (as some have suggested) out of personal vendetta or lack of scholarly understanding of the issues at hand.


Remember: One of these men, is compelled to speak the truth according to the principles laid down in the letter of the law as he understood and the other is compelled to engage with the people who do not share the same belief system as he does for the greater good.

Now we can debate on which of the two approaches is more practical, just and sensible for the times we live in and the people we deal with. But I would hope it would happen with more maturity the next time around.

I do not deny that there are people around them who make use of this division and amplify their effects. The tactless rhetoric used offends me as much as it offends you. But I am certain that the reply to a 'rant' is not an even greater 'rant'. That much I am certain.

I think debate is a healthy thing and we've had enough of it here. This thread has ran its course and perhaps its time to put it to an end to it even if we can't put an end to our divisions!

PS. I do not know him personally nor do I subscribe to the views of the third 'scholar' who always happens to be drawn in these discussions. But I do not deny that he gets unnecessarily dragged in character assassination. 

[Desert-Sheikh]

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piara madinah (23.02.2011)

sheikh sahub if they cant digest praise , can you , you always taking side of these scholers who never enter in universities so how can they be same with the one is a certified scholer , if you dont like there sheikh ok but atleast admit that he is a scholer.

I never post to please a certain group or personality but take sides of All Sunnni Ulma, Pirs, Groups and Movements and if it hurts you that's not my problem.