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SunniMaslak4Life (24.02.2011)

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@ S A QADRI

Al-hidayah has criticized TV issue logically and its established fact that Maulana Ilyas Sahib once used to be fully against TV (like bareily ulema)then later he understood that its a need of time.may be he has done ijtehad, ok its fine and we never have any problem with it. real criticism is comming from your own barelvi brothers from india and that too from bareliy sharif.and many of them are abusing maulana ilyas sahib you can watch there clips on youtube.

but al-hidyaah is not lying here he has just presented true facts on academic grounds, he never lied or abused maulana ilyas sahib.but what you are doing in refutation is totally lie ,and baseless especially on dream issue , you are making buhtan on dr tahir ul qadri sahib.please donot destroy your akhirah just for the sake of arguments.you could have simply replied back al-hidayah academically instead of using cheap barelvi tactics.
full refutation of dreams issue in the light of Quran & Hadith!
 http://www.minhajbooks.com/urdu/bookid/59

Brother, it has appeared that some users have a problem because the same users highlight this issue again and again. Many Pakistani Ulma who were against Video changed their views when Shah Ahmad Saeed Kazmi Sahib commended Hazrat Madani Mian's book on Video. 
Maulana Ilyas Qadiri Sahib stick to Ala Hazrat's books in Aqqaid as he admits that he didn't get any formal education at any Maddrasa (but Scholars praise his books on Masail-e-Nimaz and Hajj-o-Umrah) and in other issue, e.g., Using loudspeakers while praying, Nafil-Jamaat, Video etc he preferred to follow Ala Hazrat's successors opinion but later when many of his own mureed scholars (graduated from Darul-Aloom Amjadiah and Jamia Nizamia Razvia Lahore) convinced him on its permissibility, he agreed (thanks God he isn't a stubborn Mullah). 
Usually people make fun of his statement that Dawat-e-Islami's Shura' decided to produce video content or TV channel, they say how Shura' can allow a Haram thing? (Shura' is a Governing Body of this organization and each of its member is an Alim. To some people all this will seem strange but it is true that Maulana Ilyas Qadiri has given the power, authority and control of his years hard-working Dawat-e-Islami with millions worth assets to a group of 12, Majlis-e-Shura and none of its member is his relative or family member. Shura' is free to take any decision but only can be challenge if it goes agist the Aqqaid-e-Ahle Sunnat etc according to the will written by founder of the organization. Is there any other person, shaykh or Pir who has this courage to hands over his own organization? But there are Shaykhs and Pir who want to take-over his Dawat-e-islami. I'll always remember one Bareilvi said to me, you always talk about his selflessness than why don't Maulana Ilyas Qadiri make Taju-Shariah Akhtar Raza Sahib, the Ameer of Dawat-e-Islami? So this is the only issue... :))
Anyway, i've already discussed how he changed his views on Video. Maulana Sahib agreed on these issues but it took them almost 2 years to convince Maulana Sahib to appear on video (to allow his own video). Finally they used their authority to start producing video content and informed Maulana Sahib that we are going to install video cameras and it is for a greater good of Dawat-e-islami. Its more than two years they started video but we are still there, why did they change their opinion?
Throughout history scholars changed their views on several issues and if it is unforgivable then let's start from Ala Hazrat and criticize all of them one by one.
My family member are witness of the famous Munazira-e-Jhang where Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadiri Sahib was the Assit-Munazir, to prove Devbandi are Gustakh-e-Rasool (in other words, Kafir), and (after 10 years) when i saw his video Q&A stating that prayer behind Devbandi Imams is valid even i do pray behind them....it was a big u-turn and i as his big admirer, was heartbroken and started criticizing him everywhere....never accepted any clarification as it was unforgivable to me.... but....few years back.....one morning, i woke up holding him dear to my heart again.........
Ab baat dosti ki nahi hausle ki he
Lazim nahi ke tu b mera humkhiyal ho
Let's move on...

[hidayah227]

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Desert Sheikh (24.02.2011)

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SunniMaslak4Life (24.02.2011)

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@ S A QADRI

Al-hidayah has criticized TV issue logically and its established fact that Maulana Ilyas Sahib once used to be fully against TV (like bareily ulema)then later he understood that its a need of time.may be he has done ijtehad, ok its fine and we never have any problem with it. real criticism is comming from your own barelvi brothers from india and that too from bareliy sharif.and many of them are abusing maulana ilyas sahib you can watch there clips on youtube.

but al-hidyaah is not lying here he has just presented true facts on academic grounds, he never lied or abused maulana ilyas sahib.but what you are doing in refutation is totally lie ,and baseless especially on dream issue , you are making buhtan on dr tahir ul qadri sahib.please donot destroy your akhirah just for the sake of arguments.you could have simply replied back al-hidayah academically instead of using cheap barelvi tactics.
full refutation of dreams issue in the light of Quran & Hadith!
 http://www.minhajbooks.com/urdu/bookid/59

Brother, it has appeared that some users have a problem because the same users highlight this issue again and again. Many Pakistani Ulma who were against Video changed their views when Shah Ahmad Saeed Kazmi Sahib commended Hazrat Madani Mian's book on Video. 
Maulana Ilyas Qadiri Sahib stick to Ala Hazrat's books in Aqqaid as he admits that he didn't get any formal education at any Maddrasa (but Scholars praise his books on Masail-e-Nimaz and Hajj-o-Umrah) and in other issue, e.g., Using loudspeakers while praying, Nafil-Jamaat, Video etc he preferred to follow Ala Hazrat's successors opinion but later when many of his own mureed scholars (graduated from Darul-Aloom Amjadiah and Jamia Nizamia Razvia Lahore) convinced him on its permissibility, he agreed (thanks God he isn't a stubborn Mullah). 

Anyway, i've already discussed how he changed his views on Video. Maulana Sahib agreed on these issues but it took them almost 2 years to convince Maulana Sahib to appear on video (to allow his own video). Finally they used their authority to start producing video content and informed Maulana Sahib that we are going to install video cameras and it is for a greater good of Dawat-e-islami. Its more than two years they started video but we are still there, why did they change their opinion?
Throughout history scholars changed their views on several issues and if it is unforgivable then let's start from Ala Hazrat and criticize all of them one by one.
My family member are witness of the famous Munazira-e-Jhang where Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadiri Sahib was the Assit-Munazir, to prove Devbandi are Gustakh-e-Rasool (in other words, Kafir), and (after 10 years) when i saw his video Q&A stating that prayer behind Devbandi Imams is valid even i do pray behind them....it was a big u-turn and i as his big admirer, was heartbroken and started criticizing him everywhere....never accepted any clarification as it was unforgivable to me.... but....few years back.....one morning, i woke up holding him dear to my heart again.........
Ab baat dosti ki nahi hausle ki he
Lazim nahi ke tu b mera humkhiyal ho
Let's move on...

 Fare enough Moulana Ilyas Qadri & his follower may very well have decided to change their fatwa position on the TV issue. My question to you is why are they still selling and promoting a book they no longer stand by? Go to their website & you will see it's still there amongst their main books. They are still selling & making a profit on a fatwa they no longer believe in. If i was to promote & sell a product which i myself no longer believed in & being very well aware that it's no longer benificial to the public (customers) due to its validity or it's lack of liability . What would you think sir?

Before making such claims about professor Sahib please provide a better evidence than that . Have we not already heard enough about so & so heard that prof sahib said this & so and so witnessed such and such?

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hidayah227 (24.02.2011)
Fare enough Moulana Ilyas Qadri & his follower may very well have decided to change their fatwa position on the TV issue. My question to you is why are they still selling and promoting a book they no longer stand by? Go to their website & you will see it's still there amongst their main books. They are still selling & making a profit on a fatwa they no longer believe in. If i was to promote & sell a product which i myself no longer believed in & being very well aware that it's no longer benificial to the public (customers) due to its validity or it's lack of capability . What would you think sir?

Before making such claims about professor Sahib please provide a better evidence than that . Have we not already heard enough about so & so heard that prof sahib said this & so and so witnessed such and such?

 

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Desert Sheikh (24.02.2011)

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hidayah227 (24.02.2011)
Fare enough Moulana Ilyas Qadri & his follower may very well have decided to change their fatwa position on the TV issue. My question to you is why are they still selling and promoting a book they no longer stand by? Go to their website & you will see it's still there amongst their main books. They are still selling & making a profit on a fatwa they no longer believe in. If i was to promote & sell a product which i myself no longer believed in & being very well aware that it's no longer benificial to the public (customers) due to its validity or it's lack of capability . What would you think sir?

Before making such claims about professor Sahib please provide a better evidence than that . Have we not already heard enough about so & so heard that prof sahib said this & so and so witnessed such and such?

 

if your head is strong enough the wall will break eventually!

If people prefer takfir and fitna over unity then they have forgotten the last words of rehmatul alimeen s.a.w. and I pity them. ali a.s destroyed 360 idols in the kaaba and these poor people have rebuilt them in their own hearts - pity them.

[S-A-QADRI]

Brother hidayah22

I know it hurts when someone raised fing on Dr Tahir ul Qadri sahib,  I can see a big BURN.  haha hahaaa

You guys will never learn how to respect other sheikhs, for you only your PIR is bigger than Alls. thats not true.

None of you write any Quraani verse or Hadith e Mubarak which supports Dr sahib's small  beard. He had fist length beard in early ages when he was trying to be a popular scholar. After that for some political reasons and after that for having some good relations with KUFAAR( cuz all kufaar supporting him for his SULAH KULEE, which is against PROPHET Sallallahoalaihewaslaim's teaching) he had now very very small beard, AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim had this small size or any Sehabi radhiallahotalaanhu had this small beard, NO. Then why Dr. sahib have this size of beard now. Think, he want to make happy AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim or someone else? Think again.

Only politicians can lie to gain cheep popularity in public, so did Dr sahib lying about dream of AQA Sallaholalaihewasalim.

ALL famous Hadith books narrates to refrain from music(I do not need to mention here, i could if some one refuse these AHADITH). Dr sahib allow MUSIC in NAATS. So you mureedain of Dr sahib making him bigger than AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim. Think, allowing HARAM things in NAAT/NASHEED, who he want to make happy, his KAAFIR friends or AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim?

Brother  rafiq

You bring Mufti Akhtar Raza khan sahib's speech. well done. Same Mufti had declared Dr. sahib to out of islam, he declared Dr sahib as KAAFIR. would you believe in his FATWA?
I honestly do not believe in his fatwa.
Dr sahib is a star scholar of this age and he is in ahlesunnat waljamaat. I respect him a lot. and do not break my love. 

I can add a lot a lot more, but i think it is enough for now.

[mah-gt]

None of you write any Quraani verse or Hadith e Mubarak which supports Dr sahib's small  beard.

Dear read Ftawa rizwia volume 22 then talk to us.If you know the original knowledge on beard explain here.

He had fist length beard in early ages when he was trying to be a popular scholar.

here you are also wrong.In the bigining of Minhaj-ul-quran till 1985 he was with short beard.During this he got most achievements and was most popular.In those days PTV was only media source.People listen him on PTV.TVs was not so common in those days.According to sichoation people of pakistan and India listen his speaches jointly.Iy was daily routine. 

After that for some political reasons and after that for having some good relations with KUFAAR( cuz all kufaar supporting him for his SULAH KULEE, which is against PROPHET Sallallahoalaihewaslaim's teaching) he had now very very small beard,

It is your wrong thinking.

Then why Dr. sahib have this size of beard now. Think, he want to make happy AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim or someone else? Think again.

It is not your problem.If you accept quid-e-azam , Iqbal and many others Why this is not acceptable.

Only politicians can lie to gain cheep popularity in public, so did Dr sahib lying about dream of AQA Sallaholalaihewasalim.


Don't lie on every thing.If anyone who is lying about dream of AQA alaih alslam with shining face.

I qoute a hadith then think it

من کزب علی متعمدا فقد مقعدہ علی النار۔

Who ies on me prepare his home in the hell.

If a person sitting in the hell is with shining face.If you can say it that I see like as.If any one can think so?

 

ALL famous Hadith books narrates to refrain from music(I do not need to mention here, i could if some one refuse these AHADITH). Dr sahib allow MUSIC in NAATS.

Those are not only ahadith which refrains from music but there is also acomplete amage of music . Qwali is also music.Some times it reprent with naats. Learn whole knoledge about Islam not partly.

You bring Mufti Akhtar Raza khan sahib's speech. well done. Same Mufti had declared Dr. sahib to out of islam, he declared Dr sahib as KAAFIR. would you believe in his FATWA?


99.9 persent Muslims did not accept it.He has his own issues.He had tried to kill him but can't do so.

Plese Define Who is kafir? and how he became Kafir?

 

Dr sahib is a star scholar of this age and he is in ahlesunnat waljamaat. I respect him a lot. and do not break my love. 


This is the reality which can not be changed.Above mentioned answers are only for clearity.Every scholar has his own style and importance.Don't criticize your owm Great scholars.It will devide us.


I respect him a lot. and do not break my love. 


 

Your above mentioned way is not show respect.But only some thing else. Be Carefull.

[mah-gt]

Dear Muslim brothers and sisters be careful.every Scholar Has his own knowledge and mind level.Every personality has done a large work.Any one having same work can criticises them.If not and surely no one Had done so, So follow their teachings and not cut to each other.
Follow your Shaikh and respect others.

Thanks.
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غیاث1245 (24.02.2011)

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He had tried to kill him but can't do so.

Can you please prove it?

otherwise yoy are lying and claiming something from baseless alegations as same as other ppl whome you are calling liers in your above posts 

[mah-gt]

confirm it from south afriqa.This insident is representing on there websites as South afiqa Debate.It can be discuss but it is not right.

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غیاث1245 (24.02.2011)

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confirm it from south afriqa.This insident is representing on there websites as South afiqa Debate.It can be discuss but it is not right.

Please send a link of the website

[mah-gt]

Yes dear.Iam providing You.

This is the link.See it. I can explain it. but it will destroy our own respect.So only use uor own mind.Not discuss.

See next on monday.

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غیاث1245 (24.02.2011)

You bring Mufti Akhtar Raza khan sahib's speech. He has his own issues.He had tried to kill him but can't do so.

A grave charge of attempted murder, what evidence do you have? 
Can you please post it here.

[hidayah227]

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غیاث1245 (24.02.2011)

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None of you write any Quraani verse or Hadith e Mubarak which supports Dr sahib's small  beard.

Dear read Ftawa rizwia volume 22 then talk to us.If you know the original knowledge on beard explain here.

He had fist length beard in early ages when he was trying to be a popular scholar.

here you are also wrong.In the bigining of Minhaj-ul-quran till 1985 he was with short beard.During this he got most achievements and was most popular.In those days PTV was only media source.People listen him on PTV.TVs was not so common in those days.According to sichoation people of pakistan and India listen his speaches jointly.Iy was daily routine. 

After that for some political reasons and after that for having some good relations with KUFAAR( cuz all kufaar supporting him for his SULAH KULEE, which is against PROPHET Sallallahoalaihewaslaim's teaching) he had now very very small beard,

It is your wrong thinking.

Then why Dr. sahib have this size of beard now. Think, he want to make happy AQA Sallallahoalaihewasalim or someone else? Think again.

It is not your problem.If you accept quid-e-azam , Iqbal and many others Why this is not acceptable.

Only politicians can lie to gain cheep popularity in public, so did Dr sahib lying about dream of AQA Sallaholalaihewasalim.


Don't lie on every thing.If anyone who is lying about dream of AQA alaih alslam with shining face.

I qoute a hadith then think it

من کزب علی متعمدا فقد مقعدہ علی النار۔

Who ies on me prepare his home in the hell.

If a person sitting in the hell is with shining face.If you can say it that I see like as.If any one can think so?

 

ALL famous Hadith books narrates to refrain from music(I do not need to mention here, i could if some one refuse these AHADITH). Dr sahib allow MUSIC in NAATS.

Those are not only ahadith which refrains from music but there is also acomplete amage of music . Qwali is also music.Some times it reprent with naats. Learn whole knoledge about Islam not partly.

You bring Mufti Akhtar Raza khan sahib's speech. well done. Same Mufti had declared Dr. sahib to out of islam, he declared Dr sahib as KAAFIR. would you believe in his FATWA?


99.9 persent Muslims did not accept it.He has his own issues.He had tried to kill him but can't do so.

Plese Define Who is kafir? and how he became Kafir?

 

Dr sahib is a star scholar of this age and he is in ahlesunnat waljamaat. I respect him a lot. and do not break my love. 


This is the reality which can not be changed.Above mentioned answers are only for clearity.Every scholar has his own style and importance.Don't criticize your owm Great scholars.It will devide us.


I respect him a lot. and do not break my love. 


 

Your above mentioned way is not show respect.But only some thing else. Be Carefull.

Wallah i really love your post. Great answers Subhan'Allah!

[Imran.]

I think its pretty well established that Dr Sahib is a muslim and a sunni,no need to argue about it.

The mufti sahib would be wrong to imply such(if he did).

Lets not entertain this discussion anymore!