[qadrimuslim]

best answers to these questions will come from your Shaykh
Whatever he guides you will be closest to the Sunnah

[Abdul-Mustafa-786]

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Shaykh Junaid Rafique Al Hijazi (20.10.2010)

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AA

The hypocrites are in hell and are worse than the Wahabi's (of course that's a matter of opinion for some)

Yet they prayed in the same mosques as the Sahaba and the status of the mosque remained regardless of this fact.

I think that answers the question.

WS

The following is an excerpt from a lecture delivered by Hazrath Maulana Muhammad Shafee Okarvi R.A. in 1979/80 at Cape Town, South Africa, translated by Imam Irshad Soofi Siddiqui Chishti Nizami Habibi:

http://sufi.co.za/article%20okarvi%20faith%20fat.htm

Other translated into English lectures of Hazrat Molana Mohammed Shafee Okarvi al-Qadri R.A. can be read online at:
http://sufi.co.za/translated.htm

These translated lectures have been published in book format and can be purchased from: http://sufi.co.za/cds_and_dvds.htm

[asad_akhtar]

y dont u all get a gun and kill a wahabi wherever u see one? then ull be happy wont you?? this website is the biggest hate website within umslims ive ever seen.

[Desert-Sheikh]

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asad_akhtar (23.10.2010)

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y dont u all get a gun and kill a wahabi wherever u see one? then ull be happy wont you?? this website is the biggest hate website within umslims ive ever seen.

Subhan Allah, this website spreading hate?

YaNabi.com is not responsible for the content of user’s posts or external links. Anyone (with common sense) can guess, this is a public forum, allowing everyone to raise their voice.

Please, take some time to visit Saudi funded Wahabi institutes and websites, spreading hate and extremism. You must know your wahabi brethren actually killed Sunni men, women and children in Saudi Arabia and still killing in Pakistan.

PS: If you find YaNabi.com annoying then don’t use it.

[MVA]

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Desert Sheikh (20.10.2010)

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I heard some Ulma’ say that

Sheikh, stop hangin with these ulema  ;)

[asad_akhtar]

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[b] You must know your wahabi brethren actually killed Sunni men, women and children in Saudi Arabia and still killing in Pakistan.

im sorry but r u trying to suggest im wahabi???

[WAQTSMY]

I dont consider a wahabis or a deobandis or a shias masjid a masjid. The reason follows in wahabi or deobandis place of worship they only do zikr of allah and the leave the beloved prophet muhammad pbuh zikr out so no. With the shias they are the beyadab of the prophets ehleybeyt and i dont consider there place of worship a masjid.

sunnio we are lucky we do the zikr of allah almighty allahs beloved rasool beloved rasools companions and the family of beloved rasool specialy the parents and we do the zikr of aulia allah. Also allah kareem as well.

[Desert-Sheikh]

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WAQTSMY (06.11.2010)

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I dont consider a wahabis or a deobandis or a shias masjid a masjid. The reason follows in wahabi or deobandis place of worship they only do zikr of allah and the leave the beloved prophet muhammad pbuh zikr out so no. With the shias they are the beyadab of the prophets ehleybeyt and i dont consider there place of worship a masjid.

sunnio we are lucky we do the zikr of allah almighty allahs beloved rasool beloved rasools companions and the family of beloved rasool specialy the parents and we do the zikr of aulia allah. Also allah kareem as well.

Would you please elaborate what do you mean by zikr of beloved Prophet Sallallahu Alieh Wassalam that sunni do but wahabi don't?

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asad_akhtar (02.11.2010)
im sorry but r u trying to suggest im wahabi???

No

[Mudassar-Rana]

if wahabi's masjid isnt a masjid what would you say about the haram sharif? Both are run by wahabi ulema?

Furthermore for you to make such an unequivocal statements means at any one time you have visited shia, wahabi and deobandi mosques? Otherwise how can you state for sure?

Surely salah is the biggest zikr of allah? Furthermore in my view it is an even bigger zikr of rasool allah s.a.w because if it wasnt for him we wouldnt be doing it in the first place?

This type of neo nazi treatment of the deen is exactly what the original wahabbi's did - except they went one step further and struck of thousands of necks. By fermenting these feelings amongst one section of the ummah we are whether we like it or not are giving birth to these sort of actions in the future. The call to Allah and his rasool s.a.w is a call to common humanity; a call to brotherhood, a call to peace.

[piara-madinah]

That is molvee and mullahs politics to catch more fish but all musjids are musjids where muslims do pray if that is build by sunni wahabi bralvi etc, the people are saying them not then they need to stop going hujj and umrha , all money spend there on expansions all wahabi money or run by wahabies .

fiqhahi issues between these two but again they both muslims so the scholers or molves who ever doing fatwas day and night they need to put there fatwa machine on one side or they can recycle that because they disunite the muslims.

Harmeen sharefeen not now always accomodate both wahabi and bralvees so why cant they learn lesson if wahabies will give that fatwa that bralvees musjids not good and stop them entering there musjids then if the bralvees ban from saudia what will happen then so cool down and call all muslims good muslims and all musjids are musjids .

hazoor pak saw kay liya un ki ummat kay liye her jugha sujdha ki ijazat hay all zameen per so jo bhi Allah nabi ka naam lewa hay jo bhi musjid tameer kerta hay woh musjid hay Allah ka ghar hay regardless who build that bralvee or wahabi.

why cant unite and try to came out from this wahabi bralvee bussiness and call yourself ahlesunnat and stop arguments etc and who ever make the fatwas not uniting the muslims them scholers need to be out from the list because they creating disunity.

can some one give deatail who we were before bralvisam what we called and do them scholers class all musjids as Allah s house a worship place or they asking muslims to disunite and dont class all musjids same.

but again the question why bralvees think wahabi musjids not musjids but whabies never say brlavee musjid is not a musjid .

we got few wahabi musjids around they never ask anyone which musjid you go and never say this and that musjid is not good but when the bralvess they do ask individuals which musjid you go and ask them to stop going there , the new generation goes more in whabi musjids because they not giving them hard time just do namaz and go but we bralvess want to interfear more .

DS bhai uger musjid ki jo definations hay rules hain woh pory ho rahi hoon to woh musjid hi ho gi whaabi ho orgniser ya bralvee , kiya yeh alims line say hut nahe rahy jo keh rhey hain wwahabi musjid musjid nahe hay. I am sure there future fatwas will be stop hajj and come to braily .

[Khalid_the_Warrior]

piara-madinah, on 25 May 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

I am sure there future fatwas will be stop hajj and come to braily .

Piara Madina, I do understand your sentiments but the above statement is way over the top. Here you sound like the same "Brelivis" mafia you hate so much.

[Brother_MGS]

piara-madinah, on 25 May 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

That is molvee and mullahs politics to catch more fish but all musjids are musjids where muslims do pray if that is build by sunni wahabi bralvi etc, the people are saying them not then they need to stop going hujj and umrha , all money spend there on expansions all wahabi money or run by wahabies .

fiqhahi issues between these two but again they both muslims so the scholers or molves who ever doing fatwas day and night they need to put there fatwa machine on one side or they can recycle that because they disunite the muslims.

Harmeen sharefeen not now always accomodate both wahabi and bralvees so why cant they learn lesson if wahabies will give that fatwa that bralvees musjids not good and stop them entering there musjids then if the bralvees ban from saudia what will happen then so cool down and call all muslims good muslims and all musjids are musjids .

hazoor pak saw kay liya un ki ummat kay liye her jugha sujdha ki ijazat hay all zameen per so jo bhi Allah nabi ka naam lewa hay jo bhi musjid tameer kerta hay woh musjid hay Allah ka ghar hay regardless who build that bralvee or wahabi.

why cant unite and try to came out from this wahabi bralvee bussiness and call yourself ahlesunnat and stop arguments etc and who ever make the fatwas not uniting the muslims them scholers need to be out from the list because they creating disunity.

can some one give deatail who we were before bralvisam what we called and do them scholers class all musjids as Allah s house a worship place or they asking muslims to disunite and dont class all musjids same.

but again the question why bralvees think wahabi musjids not musjids but whabies never say brlavee musjid is not a musjid .

we got few wahabi musjids around they never ask anyone which musjid you go and never say this and that musjid is not good but when the bralvess they do ask individuals which musjid you go and ask them to stop going there , the new generation goes more in whabi musjids because they not giving them hard time just do namaz and go but we bralvess want to interfear more .

DS bhai uger musjid ki jo definations hay rules hain woh pory ho rahi hoon to woh musjid hi ho gi whaabi ho orgniser ya bralvee , kiya yeh alims line say hut nahe rahy jo keh rhey hain wwahabi musjid musjid nahe hay. I am sure there future fatwas will be stop hajj and come to braily .

Here we go again the Sunnis we dont like we just call them Brelvi. You hate both Ulema and Barelvis. Wow. I thought mureeds of Barielly were Sunnis of the Hanafi fiqh. Maybe my knowledge is inferior. What about when scholars talk in high regards of Ala Hazrat Mujaddid deen o Millat(ra) and then talk about Imam Rabanni Mujaddid Alif Thani(ra) are they Sirindhis and Barelvis?

[piara-madinah]

Bro khalid no I dont hate them , you didnt understand why I said that if they claim wahabi musjids are not musjids and they dont read namaz behind the imam in harmeen and musjid e nbavi shareef even they do there own jamat there and they do there own eid namaz and they claim that if you read namaz behind a imam there your namaz is not valid thats why I said that the time is going to come if the both parties hate each other.

how can we unite when we cant even read namaz behind imam kabha shareef and we do there own namaz and leave the namaz reading as a jamat or we do own jamat there .

Imam ahmed raza s work is great and the love he loves with nabi paak even more great but if we follow him and his teachings we can learn more I my slef like his work his teachings and even his hadaiq book dont thin ever see a nice book as that book but again what we sunies does we forgot there teachings we folowing the crowd now we got they spread hatred .

we dont follow there teachings but what we follow there names titles to call us bralvi ,tahiri , serhandi , ahktaries , razvies etc .

we puzzeling the youngers we need to concentrate on ahlesunnat waljamat and instead of calling we this and that teach us all call us ahelsunnat and unity and who ever call tha wahabi musjid is not a musjid or bralvi musjid not a musjid we need to ask them to go from list telling thm alims you spread hatred and take there titels back.

every musjid is a musjid who ever runs that wahabi or sunni .

[Imran.]

Brother_MGS, on 25 May 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Here we go again the Sunnis we dont like we just call them Brelvi.

Why did your pir sahib(ra) refer to them as brelvis(rightfuly so too)?

Why dont these brelvi scholars you defend talk of your great grandshaykh as a mujaddid too (alongside the 2 mujaddids you mention)?

[Brother_MGS]

Imran., on 30 May 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

Why did your pir sahib(ra) refer to them as brelvis(rightfuly so too)?

Why dont these brelvi scholars you defend talk of your great grandshaykh as a mujaddid too (alongside the 2 mujaddids you mention)?

You see before I joined this forum I used to think there was no 'Barelvi' scholar apart from the graduates and mureeds of Bareilly. Now I understand there are berelvi scholars. Who proclaim that they are just that. Ala Hazrat (ra) didnt leave a Maslak behind after his name. People after him made that. Nor did he leave a school of thought as the other side proclaim. His differences with the Deos was purely as ive stated before over what he thought was the lack of Adab shown and minimising the greatness of RasoolAllah(SAW) by the Deobandis. Its people after him that have used his arguements and his legacy to sort of start tit for tat Vendettas.
My arguement is that I just see Barelvi being used sometimes as an abusive word or to generalise followers of the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat. Alot of Sunni Ulema have spoken out at lengths against Wahabbism, why do we just mention the Barelvi scholars?

Where Pir Naseeer-e-Millat(ra) talked out against Barelvis, was that it is their scholars in the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat that take and emphasise the points that dont unite us to an extreme level. Pir Naseer-e-Millat(ra) as we know wasnt afraid to talk his mind and give his views openly, if that meant giving certian people home truths he would do it regardless of the audience listening.
Just like half the Aqeedah of Salafis as some say is to point at the Bidaat and innovations of others and tell the world they are Haraam. Alot of these extreme 'Barelvi' scholars have made it their ultimate goal to play tit for tat battles with the other side and make themselves look superior. as Pir Naseer (ra) put it 'Fitneh ki roti'.

I dont know why they dont call Tajdar e Golra Imam e Ishq o Muhabbat Pir Mehr Ali Shah(ra) a Mujaddid or hardly mention him. The Sultans of Golra dont need such scholars to talk in fondness of them. If Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who some claim was a Shia came to Babu Jee Sarkar's (ra) funeral their Nishaan speak for themselves.

Just like Ala Hazrat Imam e AHle Sunnat(ra) doesnt need these 'Barelvi' scholars of today to use his legacy to act as a shadow over their actions. They are only denting it.