[jameelchishty]

Dear Sunni Brothers

As-salaamu-Alaikum-o-Rahmathullah-o-Barkaatuh !

By the Karam of Allah sub'haanahu wata'aala and by Rahmath of Rahmatal-lil-Aalameen (Alaihis-Salaatu-Wat'tasleem) I have been called to perform Ziyarath of Aaqa-e-do Jahaan (Alaihis-Salaatu-Was-Salaam) and perform Umrah.

I am pretty confused to how to attend the Namaaz behind the Imaams of Harmain Sharefain, particularly Taraveeh.  Please help me with any Sunni Ulema gathering and also where to find Sunni ulemas and their gatherings.   Also, please help me with do's and dont's during this visit in the light of Sunniyat.  Please also help me with the places to visit in and around Makkah-al-mukarrama and Madinatul-Munawwara and whom to contact.  If you know any gatherings of Naat-Khwani, it will be still more better.

Await your replays !

Jazaakallah !! 

[Husayni]

What exactly are you confussed about??

[jameelchishty]

As-salaamu alaikum

Dear Brother,

I am actually confused about praying behind the Wahabi Imaams of Harmain Shariefain.

Secondly, I need a guidence to where in Makkah and Madeena will I found Ulema-e-Ahle-Sunnath with whom i can spend time praying.

Jazakallah

Was-salaam

[Desert-Sheikh]

Masha’Allah, Alf Mabroookk.

Praying behind the appointed Imam’s of Haramein Sharif isn’t part of any of Hajj or Umrah rituals. At the time of prayer you can pray alone or find a Sunni mate to pray in Jamaat.

In both holy cities, outside the Haram Sharif you’ll find many taxi drivers taking people to famous ziarat, you may join them. It’s an affordable trip to all the places mentioned in many Hajj-Umrah books.

Btw, you don’t need to meet Ulma’ Ahle-Sunnat as this isn’t purpose of your trip nor waste your time in Mehfil-e-Naats.

PS: Dil mein ho yaad teri, gosha-e-tanhai hoo

[seeker]

Are they Muslims?

If yes, pray behind them. We are a nation who pray behind even sinners. While the Imams are not committing kufr, just pray behind them!

[MFarooq]

If you have any doubt about the imam then one should not pray behind them. Many people doubt the imam's in saudi have the correct aqeeda therefore refrain from praying behind them.

Visit all the relevant Ziyarat places ie. masjid Quba, Jan'aat ul baqi/Malla, Huud, cave of hira, house of Muhammed SAW birth etc

[seeker]

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MFarooq (22.07.2010)

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If you have any doubt about the imam then one should not pray behind them. Many people doubt the imam's in saudi have the correct aqeeda therefore refrain from praying behind them.

Visit all the relevant Ziyarat places ie. masjid Quba, Jan'aat ul baqi/Malla, Huud, cave of hira, house of Muhammed SAW birth etc

Husn adh-dhann....Why should you assume their aqeedah is false?

[Abrardxb]

First of all best wishes for your trip to the holy places. Regarding your questions there are difference of opinion on this matter. Depends whom do you follow ?  Wahabi Aqaid are in contrast with the Aqaid of the Ahle-Sunnat Wal Jamaaat, so its better to avoid praying behind them. This is my personal opinion and should not be taken as a fatwa on this matter. Discuss the matter with your Sheikh.

[asimmahmood]

Salaam to all,

First of all, all praises are due to Allah subhanahu wataala! Brothers you are talikng about the imams aqeeda, and dont even know the imams name! 

[jameelchishty]

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[b]asimmahmood

Brothers you are talikng about the imams aqeeda, and dont even know the imams name! 

Dear brother, knowing the Imam's name is not as important as knowing the Aqeeda, and we know their Aqeeda - "Wahabi".  It is because that it is a known fact that Saudi government appoints a Imam who is very strong in his Aqeeda and beliefs - that who is a Wahabi.  Hence each and every person whether he is a Wahabi or not, knows that the Imam is a Wahabi. 

[Abdul-Mustafa]

Meeting the 'Ulama is not the sole purpose of the trip, but keeping the company of 'Ulama during this Blessed journey is surely very beneficial. You can ask questions pertaining to your trip, gain information, and get guidance throughtout your journey. Other than that, it would also be a great experience to meet 'Ulama from other countries, and cultures, and learn from them, sit in their company. Looking at a face of an 'Alim is 'Ibadah, and if it is in any other part of the world, it surely is in Haramin too. Company of the 'Ulamah is a blessing. About Mehfil-e-Naat, it would be great if you find a Mehfil-e-Naat in Masjid an Nabawiyy, preferably, in the outer courtyard during night time, from where you can directly view the Raudha of The Beloved Prophet (peace be upon him), what Mehfil-e-Naat would that be! However, to go to some other places to attend Mehfil-e-Naat is not impermissible, but maybe you want to stay at the Masjid, with The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him), that was the sole purpose of the trip.

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Dil mein ho yaad teri, gosha-e-tanhai hoo

Subhaan ALLAH!

Everyone may suit himself/herself.

[jameelchishty]

Respected Brother!

As-salamu Alaikum

Yes, exactly brother.  Your each and every word is 100% correct.  I am totally aggreable with you.  I will, Insha-Allah, not leave Harmain sharifain and go other places to attend Naat-e-Paak Mehfils...... rather I think it would be beneficial for me to recite Durood Sharief looking at Gumbad-e-Khizra.  If the Naat or zikr mehfils are held within Harmain, i would surely attend as they will increase our Imaan.

Thank you very much indeed.

[Husayni]

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jameelchishty (22.07.2010)

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As-salaamu alaikum

Dear Brother,

I am actually confused about praying behind the Wahabi Imaams of Harmain Shariefain.

Secondly, I need a guidence to where in Makkah and Madeena will I found Ulema-e-Ahle-Sunnath with whom i can spend time praying.

Jazakallah

Was-salaam

let Allah be the one to judge you and no one else

[Mudassar-Rana]

i always find these questions bizarre - just like those saudi inspired rent a fatwa scholars who talk about shirk all the time yet forget that saudi arabia is the biggest shirk in itself - it has challenged allah's sovereignty by ruling by other than what allah revealed. So as per Surah Maidah these rulers are zaalim, faasiq and kaafir!

back to the original question - by applying for a visa to visit saudi arabia you have accepted that they the government of saudi arabia have the right over that land - as you have applied to their representative for a visa - so indirectly you have accepted the wahabbi hold over the holy land anyway! Therefore these issues about whether to pray behind their imams or follow them in moonsighting etc is total folly. This is a scrap between different rent a fatwa's to keep a hold of their flocks.

The ulema who is deserving of respect is the one that says dont go to saudi arabia in the first place as they are faasiq and zaalim and are corrupters of the deen of allah and rasool s.a.w - these you wont find because they are in jail!

[Cynical]

"The ulema who is deserving of respect is the one that says dont go to saudi arabia in the first place as they are faasiq and zaalim and are corrupters of the deen of allah and rasool s.a.w - these you wont find because they are in jail!"


Are there Ulema telling people to not go for Hajj???

[meetsasam]

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Desert Sheikh (22.07.2010)

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Masha’Allah, Alf Mabroookk.

Btw, you don’t need to meet Ulma’ Ahle-Sunnat as this isn’t purpose of your trip nor waste your time in Mehfil-e-Naats.

PS: Dil mein ho yaad teri, gosha-e-tanhai hoo

justyfy your highlited sectence... are you saying that mehfil - e naats waste time?

[Mudassar-Rana]

there are ulema who say that saudi arabia is a state that is zaalim and fasiq and have corrupted the deen.

[Cynical]

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Mudassar Rana (25.07.2010)

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there are ulema who say that saudi arabia is a state that is zaalim and fasiq and have corrupted the deen.

Well, this is true. But that doesn't mean one shouldn't go for hajj, right?

[faizaneattar26]

salam brother i would like to say that no matter what you believe, the fact is that you don't know the aqida of the imam. yes its a wahabi country and wahabis run the sacred places, but thats not a valid reason to say the imams wahabi. if your hearts not with it then don't pray behind them. you could pretend that your praying behind then so that you don't cause any trouble and after jamat then pray your own. another thing you can do is 15mins before namaz head back to your hotel, heard there. regarding do's and don'ts dawat e islami maktba has a book called rafiq ul harramain which gives step by step guide and dus as what to do and read. its brilliant.

[jameelchishty]

Yes these questions seem to be bizarre... but the fact is we dont have any "personal" grudge or enemity with the Imams of Harmain......... we are more concerned about the Aqida they keep in regards to our Most Sacred and Highly Honorable Leader and Prophet of Allah ta'la - they dont acknowledge Huzur's supremity and how can we accept that kind of a person to be our Imam...

This is the main reason about accepting them as our Imam or not.

History has it all in its folds what these Wahabies have done and what is their belief etc..  May Allah Ta'ala by Huzur's (alaihi-as-salaam} wasila  protect Muslims from their clutches.... Ameen !