[MMM]

Wa Alaykum Assalaam,

KTL has summed it up excellently MashaAllah.

Islam defines Aadaab with respect to every limb. For instance, eating with the left hand is against the Sunnah because it is used to wash the private parts, used to clean the nostrils during wudhu, etc. If the left hand is against Adab in order to eat with then imagine the gap between oral sex and Adab of the mouth and tongue which is used to Praise Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'ala and is used to perform clean and pure acts. This is logic for the intellect which will not understand the rulings as such.

Every act has its adab. From what I can definitely assure you is that this is not an act practised by the pious and Awliya Allah.

A Shaykh once referred to themself and told their disciple that they had not been near their wife (referring to the specific obligation of a husband and wife to each other that becomes permissible through Nikah). This dumbfounded the disciple because the Shaykh had children. Later they explained that whenever they went to their wife, it was with the pure intention to perform the Sunnah (and fulfill her right and their duty) and not for bodily desires, hence, they didnot go to their wife for their nafs and this is what they meant when they said that they had never went near their wife.

If we keep these standards as our ideals, they will guide us and teach us Aadaab pertaining actions. Permissibility is not the only factor considered when seeking guidance pertaining acts which hold no reward i.e. mubah, makrooh tanzihi and tahreemi, etc.

A Muslim saves himself from the haraam and keeps himself away from it as much as possible and not let himself on the thinline between 'permissible yet non-rewardable' acts and sinful actions.

In order to secure one's actions of Faraa'idh and Waajibaat, he has to be steadfast on the Sunnah. In order to secure the Sunnah, one has to be steadfast upon the mustahibbaat - rewardable acts. The latter protects the former. A person who tends to not care about his makrooh and mubah acts will tend to fall in the trap of shaytaan easily. Such person's good deeds are not protected. This is what is required to be considered when seeking rulings and not an excuse to go ahead with such acts.

Makrooh and mubah donot mean a person is safe to practice these acts. This is a thinline between reward and sin. These are acts of carelessness and this quality is of the weak ones. The rulings are to define the thinline so that the Muslims keep themselves away from these acts because the next lower step is committing a sin.

Hence, the complications in oral sex are very vivid. The reason why it is declared makruh i.e. unrewardable is because it is a thinline between sin and an unrewardable act. Sin because swallowing semen is haraam and oral sex is makrooh. No benefit either way. There is no guarantee that a drop of semen will not enter the throat. Every sane person can reflect it with the passion during such moments. However, it is rewardable to fondle the private parts of one's spouse with the intention of pleasing each other.

Jazakillahu Khayran

[MMM]

The private sections are for individuals who wish to keep these discussions secret from the opposite sex because the question is directly attributable to them. It depends upon the hesitance or boldness of a person how they wish to contribute it to the forums, open or privately. This is my perception. Correct me if there can be a diffrent alternative in perception.

The question of minors reading it is also not very convincing because the private forums can also be accessed by them. This topic is once in a couple of hundreds so the likelihood of its exposure to the minors is quite rare and hopefully parents will tolerate it InshaAllah.

Knowledge is to be sought. Haya is to be observed pertaining sensitive issues and therefore it is recommended to ask scholars in private face-to-face but the questioning on forums is not similar. The personality is protected and infact it is also an act of haya greater than asking a knowledgeable person directly because the questioner is not physically present.

Lastly, brother's section or sister's, the purpose is to seek knowledge.

[arabspyder]

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Saleh ibn Muhammad al-Mufarridi (27.05.2010)

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As-salamu 'alaykum,

A bit explicit for the open forum, I should say. But on the dictum--no shame in quering about religion--here are the scenarios:

Oral sex as foreplay: mubah
Oral sex with ejaculation (condoms or equivalent): makruh tanzihi
Oral sex with ejaculation (no condoms or the like): makruh tahrimi
Oral sex with ejaculation (condom, she is in her period): khilaf al-awla

It goes without saying these are low points for an otherwise rewardable act. The reason being that the act is against the Sunna and not the known practice of the pious, then and now.

P.S. Don't be surprised to hear different views on this, as it is a zanni matter. However, the above stratification of the masala in terms of scenarios is the soundest approach.

Please state the reference from where you found this.

[junaidrafique2007]

AA

A detailed discussion on this with opinions of some great scholars is in the link below:

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e92.html

WS

[jwhite14]

Anyone committing this evil act will pay for it on the day of judgment.  No way can you justify this.   That brother who was quoting 4 paragraphs needs to speak to a maulvi.

[arabspyder]

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Muslim Brother. (24.12.2010)

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Anyone committing this evil act will pay for it on the day of judgment.  No way can you justify this.   That brother who was quoting 4 paragraphs needs to speak to a maulvi.

please state your reasoning, with reference. the brother who posted above you gave a nice link to the article. the article argues that oral sex is permissible as long as no substance is swallowed.   Dont get me wrong I am not supporting or against this issue. Heck im just a college student and not married either.  Just wanted to know what the stance of the ulema is regarding the issue

[shaah2468]

I am relatively new here and I am not able to find how to alert moderators but I am suprised and offended to see this topic discussed in a Muslim open forum of mixed males and females. 

[bandaadib]

As Salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatuhu!

I used to know that oral sex is totally haram though. Well, today I have to correct my previously received info in this regard. Alhamdulillah!

I like to know why it is not allowed in Islam to c/visualize the lower part of the wife during sex? Some married male friends have asked me few times in the past where I couldn't give any answer.Also if the husband want his wife to wear short night dress in front of him at night or during sex, does the proposal would be considered haraam if the wife refuses to wear it? A younger freind having this problem at present who prays frequently.

Fi Amanillah!

[jwhite14]

Topics like this should be banned here. 

Anyway here goes.  Will say there will be more qualified people than me to give advice.

A person reads salah and the words of the Quran come out of their mouth.  That persons kisses the Quran pak, children familiy members etc and so on etc.

How can one do this if something  like u know what  has been through their gob astagfirullah.  This is just the same as having s*x relationship with a man.  The food you eat wll be going through ur mouth etc and then u kiss ur husband as well.  It doesnt bear thinking about!!

Islam is all about cleansiness and anal s*x is also banned etc. 

If your married or due to be married, you have been given a wife and deal with it through the normal channels. 

Islam is really strict on cleansiness.  How can one justify this filithy act.  Thats my point. 

Hopefully people will avoid and stay away from these sinful acts.  If you want more advise go and see a Imam.  I'm sure they will give you the answer. 

Regards

[hidayah227]

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Muslim Brother. (28.12.2010)

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Topics like this should be banned here. 

Anyway here goes.  Will say there will be more qualified people than me to give advice.

A person reads salah and the words of the Quran come out of their mouth.  That persons kisses the Quran pak, children familiy members etc and so on etc.

How can one do this if something  like u know what  has been through their gob astagfirullah.  This is just the same as having s*x relationship with a man.  The food you eat wll be going through ur mouth etc and then u kiss ur husband as well.  It doesnt bear thinking about!!

Islam is all about cleansiness and anal s*x is also banned etc. 

If your married or due to be married, you have been given a wife and deal with it through the normal channels. 

Islam is really strict on cleansiness.  How can one justify this filithy act.  Thats my point. 

Hopefully people will avoid and stay away from these sinful acts.  If you want more advise go and see a Imam.  I'm sure they will give you the answer. 

Regards

What has the food going down your mouth and the reciting the quran with our tongues has got to do with having oral sex? For your information the the male organ which this thread is refering to is just another part of a human body like any other part such as hands and arms and is not impure. Our hands come in contact in this area, does that mean it's wrong for us to touch the quran with the same hands and to eat food with the same hands after preforming ghusl and wudu? I don't think so. Same goes for the mouth and lips it perfectly fine to kiss the quran and to eat food as long as that person is in a pure state.

[jwhite14]

So oral sex is perfectly fine is it.  Grow up  and get a life.  This is a Harami act.  Dont ask for evidence.  Its morally wrong as well.  Mods close this thread.  Seems like some folk here are begairat and keen on a fatwa which would say its ok to have oral sex..

[Know-the-Ledge]

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Muslim Brother. (29.12.2010)

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So oral sex is perfectly fine is it.  Grow up  and get a life.  This is a Harami act.  Dont ask for evidence.  Its morally wrong as well.  Mods close this thread.  Seems like some folk here are begairat and keen on a fatwa which would say its ok to have oral sex..

I am a mod, but I don't have carte blance, infact I get wedgies pulled on me by the other's on the regular! However, I want to leave this open, so I can watch you lot implode! You all like beating me and SR for being 'outrageous' and insenstive, but it's just a pot calling the kettle black, look at your response, go outside, have a word with yourself and then come back and tell us what you've learned!

If I stopped posting and gave 'space to express', it'd be like Jazz music losing it's blue-notes and you can't go platinum without the blue-notes

TMS, do translate :)

[The-Mughal-Sister]

[quote]Know the Ledge (29.12.2010)

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I am a mod, but I don't have carte blance, infact I get wedgies pulled on me by the other's on the regular! However, I want to leave this open, so I can watch you lot implode! You all like beating me and SR for being 'outrageous' and insenstive, but it's just a pot calling the kettle black, look at your response, go outside, have a word with yourself and then come back and tell us what you've learned!

If I stopped posting and gave 'space to express', it'd be like Jazz music losing it's blue-notes and you can't go platinum without the blue-notes

TMS, do translate :)[/quote]

Translation for this post is not required.

[Know-the-Ledge]

Dear users, come on, have a dialogue with muslim brother and then maybe you'll realise why it's sometimes the carrot, but mostly the stick with me! Tareef sunne ki aadat par gai hai musalmano ko, they don't want to hear the real!

[checkmate]

posted by KTL
I say the name of Allah with my mouth!
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MashAllah such intention and taqwa is rewardable, but the mouth is also used for many other things.

[Know-the-Ledge]

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check_mate (29.12.2010)

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posted by KTL
I say the name of Allah with my mouth!
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MashAllah such intention and taqwa is rewardable, but the mouth is also used for many other things.

Such as?


Besides, I wouldn't become embroiled in the fine details of the matter, just know that, I find it repulsive, perverse and dishonouring! Oral sex is from the realms of 'mental experiences', it's not a physical need, nor is it a physcial want. It is a perverse mental hunger, derived most likely from magazines and other filthy media.

I wouldn't enforce my opinion on others, but I would find that people who indignify their wives in this way, would not be people who i'd want to be friends with, as they'd likely demonstrate other such abnormal mental tendencies, such as taking womens clothes off with their eyes! Hey, maybe i'm over-thinking that one, but it's my life and i'd like not to take chances. I'm just not very fond of people who dishonour their wives, but live and let live I suppose.

[diwanisarkarki]

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Roaming Soul (28.05.2010)

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Asif Naqshbandi Haqqanni (28.05.2010)

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salaam alaykum wa rachmatula wa barakato hu

it is a valid question only not in the valid section,it should be in sister only section....

Totaly agree, most certainly such questions should be discussed in 'sister's corner'. And If brothers wish they should have their discussion separetly in 'brother's corner'.

WSalaam.

if u feel shame then better don read such post, specially mine coz i usually ask such questions on this forum n to be honest i dont feel shame coz i know they are my brothers n much better than maulana who sumtym even rape a girl...... 

when i was not a member of this forum i had many questions n when i didnt find sumone to ask i decided my mamojaan such questions....not infront my mom lol she wud kill me ;) no no....   

n i must say i just luv this site n old members of this forum n respect them all from the bottom of heart

[checkmate]

@ KTL

Not endorsing the practice in question. like you said live and let live. Would a person see this act worse than lying, swearing, back biting? These are also done with the mouth.

[The-Mughal-Sister]

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diwanisarkarki (29.12.2010)

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Asif Naqshbandi Haqqanni (28.05.2010)

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salaam alaykum wa rachmatula wa barakato hu

it is a valid question only not in the valid section,it should be in sister only section....

Totaly agree, most certainly such questions should be discussed in 'sister's corner'. And If brothers wish they should have their discussion separetly in 'brother's corner'.

WSalaam.

if u feel shame then better don read such post, specially mine coz i usually ask such questions on this forum n to be honest i dont feel shame coz i know they are my brothers n much better than maulana who sumtym even rape a girl...... 

when i was not a member of this forum i had many questions n when i didnt find sumone to ask i decided my mamojaan such questions....not infront my mom lol she wud kill me ;) no no....   

n i must say i just luv this site n old members of this forum n respect them all from the bottom of heart

Good point.

We have to stop acting like children and start asking adult questions that will rise in our lifetimes living in Western countries.

People should not be made to feel ashamed to cursed that why did they pose this question, it’s a learning curve if they don't ask on a Islamic Website and don't feel comfortable asking their parents or elders then were else can they go? To their friends who will take them to the wrong path?

So if you can't answer on an Islamic perspective and give an informed answer, then please do not resort to childish tactics.

We are all told to search and seek knowledge, and other Muslims will also Google this very question and Inshallah find the correct answer, be it on this website or other Islamic Website.

Muslims who fear Allah SWT to do right and shun the bad will ask the questions and search for the answers, so don’t give them a hard time!

If you find the topic too forward, don't click on it and read it and above all don't post!