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Halal Sausages enquiries

Posted 08 May 2010 - 06:46 PM (#1) User is offline   Major-Screw-Loose 

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I've come across this thing that there are halal sausages that you can buy from Tescos or other suppliers. I have never aten halal sausages and have not come across any Muslim or family who have brought halal sausages and consumed them. But I have always wondered about these halal sausages and after such a very long time I have decided I should enquire about these.

Is halal sausage actually halal and halal approved?

What is it made of?

Why is it called sausage?

Should Muslims eat halal sausages or is there a problem with this?

There are halal pizzas and haraam pizzas, halal burgers and haraam burgers, halal cakes and haraam cakes, halal drinks and haraam drinks, so why should it be an issue (if there is an issue) to eat halal sausage?  Why must we frown upon halal sausages?

Has anyone experienced eating sausages?

And why do not most Muslim take-away shops and restaurant sell halal sausages or are they scared of something?

And is it halal to eat Bacon, Beef, Canadian ham etc flavour crisps that are 'suitable for vegetarians'.

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Posted 08 May 2010 - 07:41 PM (#2) User is offline   GunmetalGrey 

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Quick round up for you:

The words sausage and ham are usually referred to the area of which the meat is taken from, as well as the method of making them. For example, Halal turkey ham is called ham because it's taken from from the thigh. Sausage is usually taken from the intestines and are called so due to the way they are made from ground meat. However, I think the Halal ones aren't, or are synthetic. And if they are Halal, enquire where the meat came from, how it was made and whether any Muslim counsel was contacted to approve the slaughter process.

And if they are suitable for vegetarians then go ahead. Most beef/BBQ sauce flavoured stuff is not real, it's flavouring used to mimic the taste of the original.

And Allah knows best.

With all due respect, takeaways avoid this because the average audience is not going to know the meaning and semantic of the words previously mentioned, unless you're a butcher or into linguistics.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 01:47 AM (#3) User is offline   YaNabi-Chemist 

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You like making life harder for yourself don't you?

I won't bother giving you advice, as I have been doing for over 2 years now, as you are stubborn and don't listen.
Feel free to PM me if you have any health issues / ailments.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:42 AM (#4) User is offline   Major-Screw-Loose 

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YaNabi Chemist (09.05.2010)
You like making life harder for yourself don't you?

I won't bother giving you advice, as I have been doing for over 2 years now, as you are stubborn and don't listen.

Thank you for your useless and unwelcoming remarks brother.  I will take your comments as offensive and thus will reply accordingly below.  I don't give a damn what you think next.

I do not know what makes you think I am stubborn and don't listen. You could have at least bothered to have given explanation.

Your're a strong person so have the courage to hear this out:

Firstly your comments above has pi**ed me off. Secondly who said you had to give advice, if you didn't want to, you could have simply refrained from making a post on the forum and there would have been no problems.  Please do not reply to me (because of this post) with your very smart and highly intelligent and highly calibre remarks... we've seen a lot of that in the past.

KTL on another topic commented 'attention seeking syndrome' and I got pi**ed off and unhappy and he later apologised. And here you're telling me comments 'stubborn and don't listen'.  If you've got any problems or issues, please speak to the mangement of the forum or raise your concerns with someone else.

The thing I would like to draw your attention to is this:  (EXAMPLE): Several years ago I had no basic knowledge or understanding  regarding sect (Sunni Wahabi etc) matters. I wanted to learn about this subject so I got my information from two means:
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talking to people
books/publications
video tapes, CD's/DVD's, audio cassettes
general internet websites (youtube, google etc)
hearing things from mehfils/programmes

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And also by enquiring on the forum, especially if I don't (or didn't) have the above resources with me at the time regarding certain subjects or issues I want/ed to find out about.

In the case of finding out about suitability of a product being halal or not, in the past I have used the above two methods for research as well as contacting the company or food's company directly to enquire about a product.  I am looking forward to contacting the company that produces or supplies halal sausages and I will enquire further about this product (e.g. what meat is it made from, is it slaughtered, is it halal approved etc). In the mean time there is no resources (books/leaflets, people I can talk to directly) available to me at hand and I am unsure when I will cntact the company so in the mean time I have decided to enquire from the forum also.

In most cases, I use both the above two methods including the forum (and other internet sites, e.g. Dawat-e-Islami, Minhaj-Ul-Qur'an, and others) and that is how I obtain or extract my knowledge or information from.

Mr Chemist, you want me to read books don't you, you know what, that is what I do do and have done in the past and will continue to do so in the future.  In fact I learn and would prefer to learn most stuff from appropriate books anyway as was in the case of sect matters and also I rely or would rely on books and scholar's speeches more than electronic means such as internet/forum but since internet/forum is also available I see no harm in using these tools to retrieve information also as these tools can come handy or useful.  But when I have no books or recorded scholar's speeches to hand and when I can't contact a person or company as yet, then I turn to the forum and I would still resort to the internet/forum even if I had the other resources for reasons 'double checking and further exploring or asking for further clarifications'.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:25 PM (#5) User is offline   Modest-Muslimah 

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I've come across this thing that there are halal sausages that you can buy from Tescos or other suppliers. I have never aten halal sausages and have not come across any Muslim or family who have brought halal sausages and consumed them. But I have always wondered about these halal sausages and after such a very long time I have decided I should enquire about these.

Is halal sausage actually halal and halal approved?

What is it made of?

Why is it called sausage?

Should Muslims eat halal sausages or is there a problem with this?

There are halal pizzas and haraam pizzas, halal burgers and haraam burgers, halal cakes and haraam cakes, halal drinks and haraam drinks, so why should it be an issue (if there is an issue) to eat halal sausage?  Why must we frown upon halal sausages?

Has anyone experienced eating sausages?

And why do not most Muslim take-away shops and restaurant sell halal sausages or are they scared of something?

And is it halal to eat Bacon, Beef, Canadian ham etc flavour crisps that are 'suitable for vegetarians'.

i gotta admit, i tried halaal sausage once only, it definitely was halaal for you people out there who are thinking of saying something negative....anyway, firstly the fact it was a sausage was putting me off from eating it, but i thought let me give it a go and the whole time i was eating it i could not help but think im eating a sausage.....and i did not enjoy a second of it.......so it was not nice!!! even the taste was not all that....i prefer my chicken and lamb thank you.....halaal of course! :)

and for your question about eating bacon, beef, candian ham etc flavour crisps, for what i know of for some reason they're not halaal so i myself avoid those flavours!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 01:02 PM (#6) User is offline   diwanisarkarki 

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YaNabi Chemist (09.05.2010)
You like making life harder for yourself don't you?

I won't bother giving you advice, as I have been doing for over 2 years now, as you are stubborn and don't listen.

i find his post really cute...dont find him sutbborn

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 02:29 AM (#7) User is offline   Choudhury 

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Salaam. I shall try my best to answer your questions:

Q- Is halal sausage actually halal and halal approved?
My A- There are several varieties of 'halal' sausage sold in UK, either by large companies or individual butchers and enthusiasts. There is now even a specialist halal sausage company, with details of that at the end of my post. Some are 'halal approved' (i.e certified by one of the several UK, EU or Global certification systems). Which certification system you follow is a personal choice. The majority of Muslims around the world still trust that a product is halal if the seller claims it is. Currently, no single certification system is agreed upon by all, so ultimately no system of halal verification can be considered 100%. It is too subjective a process.

Q- What is it made of?
My A- The majority of halal sausages being sold today in UK are made from a mixture of chicken, turkey and beef meat. However, there are also venison, lamb and turkey available. Non-Pork Sausages must by law contain at least 30% meat, to be classified as a 'named sausage'. i.e. If you sell a BEEF Sausage, it must contain at least 30% BEEF meat. The rest can be chicken, turkey or other meat/ non meat products. Mixing meats is common with most major halal sausage companies, because chicken is cheaper than beef. So, sausages with 30% beef and 30% chicken are common, and legal to call a BEEF Sausage. There is also much leeway regarding the type of meat cuts. Many cheap halal sausages contain 'mechanically retrieved meat' or 'mechanically separated meat'. These are considered the dregs of the meat industry. They have to be heavily flavored to become palatable. Sadly, most halal burgers, donor kebabs, chicken nuggets and sausages are made with this type of 'meat'. Personally, I never buy these 'mechanically recovered' products. If a halal sausage claims to be '70% meat', that does not mean it is 70% of one meat. It can be a mix, and also the piece of the chicken or cow you use can also vary. It may not always be the pieces which you would buy and cook at home !

Sausages must contain 'fillers' like breadcrumbs, otherwise they become too dry and kebab like. Also, preservatives are required by law.

Q- Why is it called sausage?
My A- The English word 'Sausage' is from the old french word 'saussiche', which in turn is derived from the Latin word 'salsus' which means 'to salt'. This reflects the long history of preserving meat using salt, in times before cooling systems and modern chemical preservatives were available.

Q- Should Muslims eat halal sausages or is there a problem with this?
My A- Yes, of course Muslims can eat halal sausages. By definition, a HALAL sausage is lawful and permitted under Sharia regulations, as the ingredients will be halal. Further, you should eat halal sausages if you like the taste !

Q- so why should it be an issue (if there is an issue) to eat halal sausage? Why must we frown upon halal sausages?
My A- I don't think it is a a big issue, but there are some Muslims who associate sausages with Pork meat, or they doubt the contents. Interestingly, the first sausage recipe ever recorded was from 5,000 years ago in Sumeria (modern day Iraq), and many Muslim cultures (Turks, North Africans) have enjoyed sausage for hundreds of years. Regarding the contents, one has to trust the vendor. Its the same as walking into a 'halal butcher'. 99% of the time, you simply trust that the person is selling you halal products. Some people have abused this trust, hence the proliferation of certification schemes.

Q- Has anyone experienced eating sausages?
A- Yes ! My family and I have been eating halal sausages for years, and so do thousands of Muslims around the world. Hundreds of thousands. A good quality halal sausage is tasty, full of really good pieces of meat, comforting, simple and versatile. 'Good quality' is the key. Too many halal sausages are made from poor quality (but halal) meat. Most of them use meat which is intensively farmed, like battery chickens, and some people would argue that these sources of meat are not ideal for Muslims, even though 'halal' in the commonly understood sense (i.e slaughtered properly). The Prophet (PBUH) said many times, that we should not be cruel to animals and we should treat them well even at the time of slaughter. For me, 'halal' requires that the animal lived according to the guidance provided in Qu'ran and Hadith as well as slaughtered according to guidance.

Q- And why do not most Muslim take-away shops and restaurant sell halal sausages or are they scared of something?
My A- No, they are not scared. Many places do sell halal sausages, but pizza, fried chicken, sandwiches, kebabs and other Asian foods are still the main halal fast food sold by British Muslims to British Muslims. That is a reflection of the mass taste preferences. As time goes on, other products will become interesting to a greater number of Muslims.

As you can see I am very Serious about Sausages. That is because they are my hobby, my passion and my business. I hope I have managed to answer your questions. I urge you to seek out some high quality and ethical halal sausages, and enjoy them !
www.serioussausage.co.uk
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 12:31 PM (#8) User is offline   Major-Screw-Loose 

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Chaudary Sahib,

I wish to thank you a lot for providing me with interesting and useful information.  I really respect you on this one.  I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken out to assist us with general enquiries and I hope you will continue to help us like this in the future too.  I read all your post and I am pleased you managed to highlight all aspects of my queries.

Me and my cousin had discussed about all this halal sausage issue and our attitudes and feelings towards it and this discussing and learning is what I see as part of education. And then we went to Girlington Morrisons for shopping.  At Morrisons I showed my cousin some packets of vegetarian sausages and we mentioned a few words about it whilst checking out these sausages but my cousin couldn't really stand the vegetarian sausages.

So this is what I have done so far:
1) enquired about halal sausages on forum and read answers/information provided
2) spoke about it with my cousin
3) checked them out at supermarket

As a result of the above 3 , I/we educated ourselves a little on this issue by instilling awareness and knowledge within us.

Once again thank you Chaudary.  May Allah keep you happy, aameen.

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