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Posted 04 March 2010 - 06:27 AM (#1) User is offline   adnanbahrian 

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Mugh say kise nay yai question net par pocha tha toh aap say poch raha hon kay

"ager koi male apni sister in law (Sali) say intercourse (ZANA) kar lay too uss ka nikah toot jata hay.ya nai ?
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 07:51 PM (#2) User is offline   Alom 

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These animals wouldnt even spare their own mothers, what a twisted world we are living in.

I don't think commiting adultery would nullify your marriage contract but it would nullify your contract as a human unless you repent, repent and repent.

repent to yourself

repent to your wife

and most importantly repent to your Lord

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 07:57 PM (#3) User is offline   Fekay 

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If one dosent fear Allah(swt) and commits such act. Then why would this person care,whether he has a valid nikah or not?
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 08:53 PM (#4) User is offline   Mohammad_Ali 

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A monster who can't restrain his lusts from his wifes sister - such a persons marriage is doomed anyway!!!!
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:09 PM (#5) User is offline   Just_Ahsun 

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If one dosent fear Allah(swt) and commits such act. Then why would this person care,whether he has a valid nikah or not?

Well, he gets a good excuse to get rid of his wife whom he doesn't deserve one bit.

When a women comes to know that her husband has cheated her, the world around her shatters. Now, imagine her pain when its her own sister. This involves 2 loved ones that you cared for the most.

The nikah is still intact and valid, the trust won't be when she comes to know of it. May Allah make it easy for her.

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:26 PM (#6) User is offline   Nemesis 

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First and foremost it should be known that this man and woman have committed a grave sin and should repent as soon as possible with the firm intention of never repeating this sin again.

As far as the question of the wife is concerned, she is not haram for this man.

In Durr al-Mukhtar Ghayatul Awtar v.2 p.17, it is stated:

“Adultery with wife’s sister does not make wife haram.”

However, there is an issue which has to be addressed. This is related to whether he can have physical relations with his wife right after committing adultery with sister-in-law or not. There is a difference of opinion among the imams.

Here we will see what is mentioned in Fatawa Uthmani v.2, p.253

“There are 2 verdicts on this issue from Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal:

1) In the case of adultery with sister-in-law, it is wajib to stay away from the wife till the sister-in-law’s three menstrual cycles. This means that ‘iddah in this case for zina is the same as that of nikah.

2) It is wajib to stay away from the wife till the sister-in-law undergoes one menstrual cycle.

3) Hanbali fuqaha have stated a third position as a presumption which is an indication for its weakness. That position is that in such a situation nothing is wajib. Some fuqaha of the hanbali madhhab have not even mentioned this ruling.
(Al-Mughni v.9, p.479-480)

For Imam Shaf’I (ra) abstaining from sexual contact till sister-in-law passes one menstrual cycle is mustahab (Mughni al Muhtaj v.3 p.180)

As far as the hanafi opinion on this matter is concerned, there are two views. One opinion is quoted in Shami v.6 p.380 which is that the purification period is mustahab. However, another view is quoted in Durayah an al-Kamil that the purification period is wajib. This matter is also mentioned in al-Natf fi al-Fatawa, Kitab al-Nikah p.189.”

There is an opinion among the hanbali stating it is wajib to stay away from the wife for one menstrual cycle and this coincides with one of the opinions of the hanafis. Thus as a precaution one should adhere to this opinion.

These traditions show that the wife is not haram for the man who committed zina with his sister-in-law but it is wajib for him to stay away from his wife till the sister-in-law has one menstrual cycle.” As a precaution it is best to stay away from any sexual contact with the wife till sister-in-law undergoes one menstrual cycle.




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Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:29 PM (#7) User is offline   Nemesis 

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Being alone with a non-Mahram of the opposite sex in a room or place where a third person is not easily able to enter upon them, or it is not usually accessible to others (khalwah), is categorically forbidden (haram) and hence must be avoided. There are many Hadiths of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) indicating this, for example:

Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) relates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, “A man must not remain alone in the company of a woman, and a woman must not travel except that her Mahram is accompanying her.” (Sahih al-Bukhari 2488)

Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) relates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, “A man does not be alone with a woman except that the third amongst them is Satan.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi 1171)

Sayyiduna Uqba ibn Amir (Allah be pleased with him) relates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, “Beware of entering upon women.” A man of the Ansar said, “O Messenger of Allah, what about in-laws?” He (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “In-laws are death!” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4934 and Sahih Muslim 2172)

Commenting on this Hadith, Imam Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) explains that this Hadith prohibits being in privacy with a non-Mahram woman omething which is agreed upon by all the scholars. He further explains that as for his saying: “In-laws are death”, it means that one should be extra careful with non-Mahram in-laws since the possibility of mischief (fitna) is greater. Given the comfortable, social atmosphere that may exist within the home, it is very easy for him to approach the woman and be with her in private, without people blaming him for doing so. (See: Nawawi, Al-Minhaj Sharh Sahih Muslim, P: 1626)
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Posted 05 March 2010 - 11:05 PM (#8) User is offline   shez1983 

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If one dosent fear Allah(swt) and commits such act. Then why would this person care,whether he has a valid nikah or not?


I hate these kind of statements!

Allah says pray 5 times,give zakat etc etc.. but HOW MANY OF us are doing this? so if we dont pray 5 times.. does that mean we do not fear ALLAH? but then on the other side, we do care about some laws.. e.g. people (in UK) may not pray 5 times but most will certainly try to eat HALAL and not haraam.. why the difference?
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 02:48 AM (#9) User is offline   Alom 

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may not pray 5 times but most will certainly try to eat HALAL and not haraam.. why the difference?


Simple, to suit their convenience.
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 02:40 PM (#10) User is offline   Fekay 

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If one dosent fear Allah(swt) and commits such act. Then why would this person care,whether he has a valid nikah or not?


I hate these kind of statements!

Allah says pray 5 times,give zakat etc etc.. but HOW MANY OF us are doing this? so if we dont pray 5 times.. does that mean we do not fear ALLAH? but then on the other side, we do care about some laws.. e.g. people (in UK) may not pray 5 times but most will certainly try to eat HALAL and not haraam.. why the difference?


Thats exactly what i am saying,this is so ridiculous, I have seen many people wear gold rings but totally have hatred toward the meat of swine. Now it is the same god that has made both haram, but you like doing one one have hatred towards the other.

The statment i made regarding this topic, was that if one didin't care if his (sali) was halal for him then why would he worry if his wife is halal or not. its not like this is a small thing that can occur unintentionally.

PS:Not pointing at anyone just just wondering why its like this.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:13 PM (#11) User is offline   arzooemadinah 

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A good person can not do this to his sister in law but if one does that means he can do this act with any girl shame on himand I think sali will have punsih as well why she is involved . both parties need say taubha and not even tell the wife tell whole family what they have done and then others will learn lesson as well.

The conditions why he have to wait one month or three months etc I think may be to know that she (sali) gone pregnant or not .

if a man does zina with his sali and she will go pregnant what religion say then his nikah still valid or he cant touch his wife and automatically she is haram on him .Who will take care the baby if this happen.

If the sister in laws respect there brother in laws and he treat them as sisters these things will never happen.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:15 PM (#12) User is offline   harun7865 

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The following is a cut n paste however the Hadith is authentic.. take from it what you can and Almighty Allah and His Prophet (SAW) know best.

The Hadeeth:

A wife should not go out in front of the brother-in-law or be alone with him in the house, because the Prophet (saw) said:

“Beware of entering upon women.“

One of the Sahaabah said to him, “O Messenger of Allaah, what about the brother-in-law?“

He said: “The brother-in-law is death!“

[Bukhaaree, Fath al-Baari, 9/330]

Commentry By An-Nawawee:

An-Nawawee, may Allaah have mercy on him, said:

This hadeeth refers to all the relatives of the husband apart from his father and sons, who are mahrams for the wife and she is allowed to be alone with them; they are not described as “death.” It refers to the brother, nephew, uncle, cousin and other relatives of the husband whom she would be permitted to marry if she were not already married.

Because people customarily treat this matter so lightly, and a man may sit alone with his brother’s wife, the brother-in-law is likened to death, and he is the foremost among non-mahram men who should be prevented from doing so.

The expression “the brother-in-law is death” may have a number of meanings, such as the following:

- That being alone with a brother-in-law may lead to religious doom if it results in sin.

- That it may lead to actual death if an immoral deed is committed that dictates the punishment of stoning.

- That it may spell disaster for the woman if her husband’s jealousy leads to divorce.

- That you should fear being alone with a non-mahram woman as much as you fear death.

- That being alone with a non-mahram woman is as terrible as death.

Excuses, excuses:

To those who take the idea of trustworthiness as an excuse, and say things like, “I trust my wife and I trust my brother or my cousin,” we say, “Do not trust too much and do not doubt too much, but know that the hadeeth “No man sits alone with a (non-mahram) woman, but the Shaytaan is the third among them” (Tirmidhee 1171) includes both the most righteous of people as well as the most immoral of people, and that Islam makes no exceptions whatsoever in such reports.“

A Final Note:

Likewise the Prophet (saw) mentioned: “…no man should enter upon a woman unless she has a mahram with her.“

[Bukhaaree 1729]

O sisters, know who your mahram is, and avoid contact from all non-mahrams.

Your brother-in-law, whether he be smaller than you in age, bigger than you in age, pious, or unpious, whatever praiseworthy or blameworthy characteristics he may posses, is nothing but death!

Fear Allaah and avoid free-mixing.

YE HAI DARBAR AAQA KA,

YEHAN MILTA HAI BEMAANGE,

ARRE O NA SAMJH,

YEHAN DAAMAN PEHLAAYA NAHI KARTE
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:25 PM (#13) User is offline   madinewala 

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Asalamu alaikum

Though many of our friends have answered in light of Hadees, THE BEST ANSWER IS SANGZAAR OR KHATAL OF BOTH WHO COMMIT THIS GREAT SIN in case of consensual and only the guy if it was not a consensual
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