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Today Amir ul Mu'mineen Hazrat 'Umar ibn al Khattab was martyred.

Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:55 PM (#1) User is offline   naqshbandijamaati 

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assalamu alaykum,
on this sad day in history Amir ul Mu'minin Sayyidina Umar, Khalifatul Rasul, was martyred. May Allah bless us for the sake of Sayyidina Umar's greatness and honour. ameen! And may Allah destroy those who hate or curse him. He is the greatest of the Sahaba after Sayyidina Abu Bakr Siddiq by consensus of the Ahlus Sunnah w'al Jama'ah and known to history as Umar the Great. Radhi Allahu anhu wa rida! Sunnis must do khatms today in his name for eesal e sawaab.

`Umar ibn al-Khattab ibn Nufayl ibn `Abd al-`Uzza ibn Rayyah, Shaykh al-Islam, Amir al-Mu’minin, Abu Hafs al-Qurashi al-`Adawi al-Faruq (d. 23). Among the Companions who narrated from him: `Ali, Ibn Mas`ud, Ibn `Abbas, Abu Hurayra, and especially his son Ibn `Umar upon whose narrations Malik relied in his Muwatta’. He was described as fair-skinned with some reddishness, tall with a large build, fast-paced, and a skilled fighter and horseman. He embraced Islam after having fought it, in the year 6 of the Prophethood, at age twenty-seven. This was the result of the Prophet’s explicit supplication: "O Allah! Strengthen Islam with `Umar ibn al-Khattab." In his time Islam entered Egypt, Syria, Sijistan, Persia, and other regions. He died a martyr, stabbed in the back while at prayer by a Sabean or Zoroastrian slave, at sixty-six years of age.


`Umar al-Faruq was second only to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq in closeness to and approval from the Prophet. The latter said: "I have two ministers from the inhabitants of the heaven and two ministers from the inhabitants of the earth. The former are Jibril and Mika’il, and the latter are Abu Bakr and `Umar." He said of the latter: "These two are [my] hearing and eyesight" and instructed the Companions: "Follow those that come after me: Abu Bakr and `Umar."


`Umar was given the gift of true inspiration which is the characteristic of Allah’s Friends named kashf or "unveiling." The Prophet said: "In the nations long before you were people who were spoken to [by the angels] although they were not prophets. If there is anyone of them in my Community, truly it is `Umar ibn al-Khattab." This narration is elucidated by the two narrations whereby "Allah has engraved truth on the tongue of `Umar and his heart" and "If there were a Prophet after me verily it would be `Umar." Al-Tirmidhi said that according to Ibn `Uyayna "spoken to" (muhaddathûn) means "made to understand" (mufahhamûn), while in his narration Muslim added: "Ibn Wahb explained ‘spoken to’ as ‘inspired’ (mulham)." This is the majority’s opinion according to Ibn Hajar who said: "‘Spoken to’ means ‘by the angels’." Al-Nawawi and Ibn Hajar said respectively in Sharh Sahih Muslim and Fath al-Bari:



The scholars have differed concerning "spoken to." Ibn Wahb said it meant "inspired" (mulham). It was said also: "Those who are right, and when they give an opinion it is as if they were spoken to, and then they give their opinion. It was said also: "The angels speak to them..." Bukhari said: "Truth comes from their tongues." This hadith contains a confirmation of the miracles of the saints (karâmât al-awliya).


The one among [Muslims] who is "spoken to," if his existence is ascertained, what befalls him is not used as basis for a legal judgment, rather he is obliged to evaluate it with the Qur’an, and if it conforms to it or to the Sunna, he acts upon it, otherwise he leaves it.


A claim was raised that since the hadith states "If there is anyone in my Umma, it is `Umar," it must follow that at most the number of such inspired people is at most one, namely `Umar. Ibn Hajar replied to this with the reminder that it is wrong to think that other Communities had many but this Community only one. Thus what is meant by the hadith is the perfection of the quality of ilhâm û inspiration û in `Umar, not its lack in other Muslims, and Allah knows best.


`Umar also had the unique distinction of having his views confirmed by the revelation in the Holy Qur’an: He said three things which were confirmed by subsequent revelations:



I concurred with my Lord in three matters: I said to the Prophet: "O Messenger of Allah! Why do we not pray behind Ibrahim’s Station?" Whereupon was revealed the verse: ". . . Take as your place of worship the place where Ibrahim stood (to pray). . ." (2:125); I said: "O Messenger of Allah! You should order your wives to cover because both the chaste and the wicked go in to see them," whereupon was revealed the verse: "... And when you ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. . ." (33:53) Then the Prophet’s wives banded together in their jealousy over him, so I said to them: "It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him instead wives better than you, [submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, inclined to fasting, widows and maids]." (67:5) Whereupon was revealed that verse.


He was unique in his power of separating truth from falsehood and the Prophet conferred on him the title of al-Fârûq, saying: "In truth, the devil certainly parts ways with (layafruqu min) `Umar." He memorized Sura al-Baqara in twelve years, and when he had learned it completely he slaughtered a camel. Imam Malik stated that on his suggestion the words "I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" were added to the adhân, and likewise the words "Prayer is better than Sleep" to the adhân for the dawn prayer. However, the more correct report is that it is Bilal who first inserted the latter formula in the call to the dawn prayer and the Prophet retained it.


`Umar ibn al-Khattab was the first Muslim ruler to establish a Public Treasury; the first Muslim ruler to levy a customs duty named `ushr; the first Muslim ruler to organize a census; the first Muslim ruler to strike coins; the first Muslim ruler to organize a system of canals for irrigation; and the first Muslim ruler to formally organize provinces, cities, and districts. He established the system of guest-houses and rest-houses on major routes to and from major cities. He established schools throughout the land and allocated liberal salaries for teachers. He was the first to prohibit mut`a or temporary marriage, according to the Prophet’s earlier prohibition. He was the first to place the law of inheritance on a firm basis. He was the first to establish trusts, and the first ruler in history to separate the judiciary from the executive.


He took pains to provide effective and speedy justice for the people. He set up an effective system of judicial administration under which justice was administered according to the principles of Islam. Qadis or judges were appointed at all administrative levels for the administration of justice and were chosen for their integrity and learning in Islamic law. High salaries were paid to them and they were appointed from the among the wealthy and those of high social standing so as not to be influenced by the social position of any litigants. The qadis were not allowed to engage in trade.


From time to time, `Umar used to issue firmans or edicts laying down the principles for the administration of justice. One of his firmans read:



Glory to Allah! Verily Justice is an important obligation to Allah and to man. You have been charged with this responsibility. Discharge this responsibility so that you may win the approbation of Allah and the good will of the people. Treat the people equally in your presence, and in your decisions, so that the weak despair not of justice, and the high-placed harbor no hope of favoritism. The onus of proof lies on the plaintiff, while the party who denies must do so on oath. Compromise is permissible, provided that it does not turn the unlawful into something lawful, and the lawful into something unlawful. Let nothing prevent you from changing your previous decision if after consideration you feel that the previous decision was incorrect. When you are in doubt about a question and find nothing concerning it in the Qur’an or the Sunna of the Prophet, ponder the question over and over again. Ponder over the precedents and analogous cases, and then decide by analogy. A term should be fixed for the person who wants to produce witnesses. If he proves his case, discharge for him his right. Otherwise the suit should be dismissed. All Muslims are trustworthy, except those who have been punished with flogging, those who have borne false witness, or those of doubtful integrity.


One day Abu Musa al-Ash`ari, the governor of Basra at the time, wrote to `Umar complaining that the ordinances, instructions, and letters from the Caliph were undated and therefore gave rise to problems linked to the sequence of their implementation. Because of this and other similar problems of undatedness, `Umar convened an assembly of scholars and advisors to consider the question of calendar reforms. The deliberations of this assembly resulted in the combined opinion that Muslims should have a calendar of their own. The point that was next considered was from when should the new Muslim calendar era begin. Some suggested that the era should begin from the birth of the Prophet while others suggested that it should begin from the time of his death. `Ali suggested that the era should begin from the date the Muslims migrated from Mecca to Madina, and this was agreed upon. The next question considered was the month from which the new era should start. Some suggested that it should start from the month of Rabi` al-Awwal, some from Rajab, others from Ramadan, others from Dhu al-Hijja. `Uthman suggested that the new era should start from the month of Muharram because that was the first month in the Arabic calendar of that time. This was agreed upon. Since the Migration had taken place in the month of Rabi` al-Awwal, two months and eight days after the first of Muharram that year, the date was pushed back by two months and eight days, and the new Hijri calendar began with the first day of Muharram in the year of the Migration rather than from the actual date of the Migration.


`Umar was the first Muslim ruler to levy `ushr, the Customs or Import Duty. It was levied on the goods of the traders of other countries who chose to trade in the Muslim dominions, at up to 10% of the goods imported and on a reciprocal basis. `Ushr was levied in a way to avoid hardships, and only on merchandise meant for sale, not goods imported for consumption or for personal use. Goods valued at two hundred dirhams or less were not subject to `ushr. Instructions were issued to the officials that no personal luggage was to be searched, and `ushr was applied only to goods that were declared as being for the purpose of trade. The rate varied for Muslim and non-Muslim citizens of the Muslim dominions. If the former imported goods for the purpose of trade, they paid a lower rate of `ushr: 2+ % , that is, the same rate as for zakât. Hence, this was regarded as part of the zakât and not as a separate tax. Dhimmis or non-Muslim citizens of the Muslim dominions who imported goods for the purpose of trade paid a `ushr of 5%. In order to avoid double taxation, it was established that if the `ushr had been paid once on imported goods, and then these goods were subsequently taken abroad and then brought back into the Muslim dominions within the same year, no additional `ushr was to be levied on such re-imported goods.


Some among `Umar’s innovations mentioned in Abu Hilal al-`Askari’s Kitab al-Awa’il ("Book of Firsts") and Tabari’s Tarikh:




Establishment of Bayt al-mâl or public treasury.


Establishment of courts of justice and appointment of judges.


The determination of the Hijra calendar which continues to this day.


Assumption of the title of Amîr al-Mu’minîn.


Organization of the War Department.


Putting army reserves on the payroll.


Establishment of the Land Revenue Department.


Survey and assessment of lands.


Census.


Building of Canals.


Founding of the cities of Kufa, Basra, al-Jazira, Fustat, and Musal.


Division of conquered countries into provinces.


Imposition of customs duties.


Taxation of the produce of the sea and appointment of officials for its collection.


Permission to traders of foreign lands to trade in the country.


Organization of jails.


Use of the whip.


Making rounds at night to inquire into the condition of the people.


Organization of the Police Department.


Establishment of military barracks at strategic points.


Distinction of pedigree and non-pedigree horses.


Employment of secret reports and emissaries.


Rest-houses on the way from Mecca to Madina for the comfort of travellers.


Provision for the care and bringing up of foundlings.


Organization of guest-houses in different cities.


The ruling that Arabs, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, could not be made slaves.


Stipends for the poor among the Jews and the Christians.


Establishment of schools.


Stipends for school teachers and public lecturers.


Persuading Abu Bakr to collect the Qur’an and execution of the work under his own care.


Formulation of the principle of qiyâs or judicial analogy.


More exact division of inheritance.


Insertion of the formula "Prayer is better that sleep" in the call to the dawn prayer. However, as stated before, the more correct report is that it is Bilal who first inserted the formula in the call to the dawn prayer and the Prophet retained it.


Ordaining the holding of tarawih prayers in congregation.


Three divorces pronounced at one session declared binding


Provision of the punishment for drunkenness with eighty stripes


Levy of zakât on horses of merchandise


Levy of zakât on the Christians of Bani Taghlab in lieu of jizya


Method of rnaking trusts


Consensus of opinion on four takbîrs in funeral prayers


Organization of sermons in mosques


Giving salaries to imams and mu’adhdhins.


Provision of light in mosques at night


Provision of punishment for writing satires and lampoons


Probibition of the mention of women’s names in lyric poems although the custom was very ancient in Arabia.


`Abd Allah ibn `Isa ibn Abi Layla related: "There were two dark lines in `Umar’s face marked by tears." Al-Hasan al-Basri and Hisham ibn al-Hasan narrated that `Umar sometimes lost consciousness after reciting a verse from the Qur’an, whereupon he would be taken ill and visited for days. Among `Umar’s sayings:




"O Allah! Grant me to die a martyr, and make my death be in your Prophet’s country."


"Take account of yourselves before your are brought to account."


Anas said: "I heard `Umar say as he was alone behind a wall: ‘By Allah! You shall certainly fear Allah, O son of al-Khattab, or He will punish you!"


Jabir said that he heard `Umar ibn al-Khattab say on the pulpit when he married Umm Kulthum, the daughter of `Ali and Fatima: "Do not disparage me [for marrying a young girl], for I heard the Prophet say: ‘On the Judgment Day every means will be cut off and every lineage severed except my lineage.’" He desired to place himself in the Prophet’s lineage through this marriage due to the precedence of Ahl al-Bayt in the Prophet’s intercession. Umm Kulthum bore him two children, Zayd and Ruqayya.


From `Amir ibn Rabi`a: "I saw `Umar pick up a straw from the ground and say: ‘Would that I were this straw! Would that I were nothing! Would that my mother never bore me!’"


From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar ibn Hafs: `Umar was see carrying a slaughtered animal on his back. He was asked why, and he replied: "I was infatuated with myself and wanted to humble myself." Al-Hasan narrated: "`Umar gave a sermon when he was Caliph wearing a waist-wrap patched in twelve places."


As `Umar’s head lay in Ibn `Umar’s lap after his stabbing he said to him: "Lay my cheek on the ground." Then he said: "Woe to me, my mother’s woe to me if my Lord does not grant me mercy!" The next morning al-Miswar woke him for the dawn prayer. `Umar rose saying: "Yes, and there is no part in Islam for whoever leaves prayer." He prayed bleeding from his wounds.


From Malik al-Dar: The people suffered a drought in `Umar’s khilafa, whereupon a man came to the grave of the Prophet and said: "O Messenger of Allah! Ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished." After this the Prophet appeared to him in a dream and told him: "Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: Be clever!" The man went and told `Umar. The latter said: "My Lord! I spare no effort except in what escapes my power."


From Mujahid: "We found that the goodness of our lives was patience."


From `Urwa ibn al-Zubayr: "Know that greed is poverty and despair sufficiency. When a man despairs of something, he does without it."


From al-Sha`bi: "By Allah! My heart has softened for Allah’s sake until it became softer than butter, and it has hardened for Allah’s sake until it became harder than stone."


From `Awn ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Utba: "Sit with the Oft-Repentent (al-tawwâbîn), for they are the softest-hearted of people."


From Aslam, `Umar’s freedman: "Be the vessels of the Book and the well-springs of the Science, and ask Allah for your sustenance day by day."


From Abu `Uthman al-Nahdi: "Winter is the treasure of devotees."


From Dawud ibn `Ali: "If a sheep dies on the shore of the Euphrates I fear lest Allah ask me to account for it on the Day of Resurrection."


From Yahya ibn Abi Kathir: "If it were announced from the heaven: ‘O people! You are all entering Paradise except one,’ I would fear to be he; and if it were announced: ‘O people! You are all entering the Fire except one,’ I would hope to be he."


From al-Aswad ibn Hilal al-Muharibi: When `Umar was made Caliph he stood on the pulpit and said: "O people! I am going to invoke Allah, therefore say âmîn. O Allah! I am coarse, so make me soft, and I am stingy, so make me generous, and I am weak, so make me strong."


From `Abd Allah ibn `Umar: "[After `Umar’s death] I saw a palace in my sleep, and was told it belonged to `Umar ibn al-Khattab. Then I saw him come out of it, wearing a cover as if he had just bathed. I said: ‘How did you fare?’ He said: ‘Well, although I would have fallen from my place if I had not found a forgiving Lord.’ Then he asked: ‘How long since I have left you?’ I said: ‘Twelve years.’ He said: ‘I only just finished rendering account.’"


`Umar was the closed door between the Prophet’s Community and the onset of dissension. His death is one of the earliest signs of the Hour. One day he asked Hudhayfa about the "dissension that shall surge like the waves of the sea" according to the Prophet’s own terms. Hudhayfa answered: "You need not worry about it, for between you and it there is a gate closed shut." `Umar said: "Will the gate be opened or broken?" Hudhayfa said: "Broken!" `Umar replied: "That is more appropriate than that it be let open." The narrator [Abu Wa’il] said: "We feared to ask Hudhayfa who was that gate, so we sent Masruq to ask him and he said: That gate was `Umar."


 



Main sources: Abu Nu`aym, Hilya al-Awliya’ 1:73-92; al-Dhahabi, Siyar A`lam al-Nubala’ 1/2:509-565 #3; Shibli Nu`mani, `Umar The Great 2:336-338.




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Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:48 PM (#2) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Masha Allah bro may Allah reward you for giving us so much information about Hazhrat Umar (ra) ...
They were the best of the Sahaba Iqraam... Best of the Ummah ... By this one must NOT think that they were above the Ahle Baieet (as) As the Ahle Baieet is above the Ummah, as the Ummah are the followers of DEEN the Ahle Baieet is the DEEN ("DEEN ASTO HUSSAIN" by Hazhrat khawaja Moiuddin Chisti (ra)) they are the ones the Sahaba Iqraam followed. Hazhrat Umar (ra) used to say that Hazhrat ALI (as) was his Maula and in another instance he had it wrote down that by the Ahle Baieet that Hazhrat Umar (ra) was their servant... This just shows that even the Sahaba Iqraam knew that the love of the Ahle Baieet was the foundation of their IMAN as the Ahle Baieet are the essence of DEEN.. It was FARDZ for the Sahaba e Iqraam to love and respect the Ahle Baieet As the Holy Qur`aan and the Holy Prophet (sawaw) had ordered them to do so....

For further clarification please see the Taqrir on this topic called Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain by Ustaad e Ulamah Hazhrat Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani Shah Sahib on the main yanabi.com homepage ....Jazak Allah Khairan

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 03:22 PM (#3) User is offline   AliAhmed 

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If you have any thing related to Ahlul Bayt being above the Ummah please post it on the other thread that Brother Tahir has started



Ya Abu Bakar...Ya 'Umar.....Ya 'Uthman....Ya 'Ali

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 04:07 PM (#4) User is offline   naqshbandijamaati 

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assalamu alaykum.

Shah Sahib, I am not trying to belittle anyone in this thread and the reason I posted it was that I find it sad that on this Sunni forum no one has yet mentioned that on the 1st of Muharram Amir ul Mu'minin Sayyidina 'Umar ibn al Khattab, Shaykh al Islam, Khalifatul Rasul, radhi Allahu anhu wa rida was martyred by the posioned double-handled dagger of that accursed Magian Abu Lu'lu'a -la'anat Allah alayhim!


We will no doubt be remembering the martyrdom of Sayyidina Imam Hussain alayhisalam and the 72 members of the Ahlul Bayt on the 10th of Muharram (and we should) on the orders of another la'anati Yazid, but it is sad that Hazrat Umar's martyrdom is relatively unknown!


Allama Sayyid 'Irfan Shah Sahib al Mashaddi is right when he bemoans the fact that Sunnis only seem to remember those days which the Shia make a fuss about! In reality of course it was those accursed Shias who were responsible for the betrayal of Imam e Aali Maqam alayhisalam and nowadays they make so much noise and shed crocodile tears over the events of Karbala! We Sunnis should remember both sad occassions and offer khatms and eesal al thawaab for both Sayyidina Umar's martyrdom and that of Imam Hussain's.  I mean I don't even know of any Sunni mosque in the UK which had a jalsa to commemorate Hazrat Umar's martyrdom and I find that really sad! Our view is that the Shaykhayn are higher in maqaam to Maula e Kainaat, higher than anyone in the Ummah! That surely includes Maula e Kainaat's illustrious sons too. I always believed that was Ahlus Sunnah aqidah. Ala Hazrat mentions the same in his aqidah tract www.sunnirazvi.org/doctrine/



wa salam
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Posted 24 February 2004 - 04:40 PM (#5) User is offline   AliAhmed 

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This thread is to discuss the greatness and the martyrdom of our Master Hadrat 'Umar radiallahu 'anh

Please post all other topics in their other respective threads.

If you have something to say for the greatness of Hadrat Umar al Farooq al Khattab 'alaihissalam please post on this thread.
Ya Abu Bakar...Ya 'Umar.....Ya 'Uthman....Ya 'Ali

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 05:09 PM (#6) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Ahla Hazhrat (ra) do agree that the Ahle Baieet are above the UMMAH....

Teri Nasale paak meain hay bacha bacha NOOR KA...
No-one has ever stated that any of the SAHABA IQRAAM were created by NOOR.... the mere fact that NOORI are above KHAQI places the Ahle Baieet above all else....

Bro Mustafa you are an intelligent person, just like your family is so important to you likewise the Holy Prophet (sawaw) family is Important to the Holy Prophet (sawaw) Some people say that so and so is close to the Holy Prophet (sawaw) from their companions. Yes but cannot be closer that Khatoon e Jannat Fatima al Zahra (as) or Hazhrat Imam Ali (as) or Imam Hassan (as) and Hussain (as) ... When we treat our members of our family so dearly yet the Ummah denies the same rights to the Holy Prophet (sawaw) have the Ummah not already done enough in hurting Rasool Allah (sawaw) That they still continue in their evil manners... 

In the whole of the SUNNI world which country stops all films and dramas and songs being broadcast from its TV and Radio stations ? It is PAKISTAN in the first 10 days of Muharram this is carried out. And who made it LAW it was Zulfiqaar Ali Bhutto a SHIA... Apart from Pakistan no other SUNNI country observes this WHY? Most SUNNI do not even know who the Ahle Baieet are.... let alone remember them.. I remember when Pir Syed Zahid Hussain Shah Sahib said that why no-one has held any Jalsa to mark the BIRTH of Imam Ali (as) .... I too say WHY ? Sunni Ulama have not done justice to the Ahle Baieet... For several hundred years the SYEDS were persecuted even the DAROOD SHAREEF was changed to SAL LAL LA HO ALAI HAY WA SALAM instead of SAL LAL LA HO ALAI HAY WA AHLAY HE WA SALAM... please note the word AHLE was removed .... THIS was done by the so called SUNNI ULAMAS under the TYRANT rulers...
 
To this day you cannot find SUNNI MASJIDS named after the Ahle Baieet... Its only now in the last couple of hundred years that they have realized who they really ARE and now as a gusture of good-will they hold a few jalsa s during MUHARRAM just to forget their PAST wrong doings... And even so only the followers of Ahla Hazhrat may I die for their MISSION introduced the flowing LOVE of the Ahle Baieet to the Ahle Sunnah wal Jammat... Please do not get me wrong THOSE SO CALLED SUNNI were not MUSLIMS let alone be SUNNI ...It is however a fact that cannot be overlooked that they called themselves SUNNI including the likes of Yazeed and Marwan lanati s...

 


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Posted 25 February 2004 - 05:36 PM (#7) User is offline   naqshbandijamaati 

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Assalamu alaykum.

Shah sahib sorry to say your opinions seem to be closer to the Shias than that of Sunnis. I have asked you a couple of questions on the Answering the Shias forum, please answer them.

Thank you.

Asif
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Posted 25 February 2004 - 07:05 PM (#8) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Sha Ast Husain, Badsha At Husain.....




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Posted 25 February 2004 - 07:52 PM (#9) User is offline   Tahir-Riaz 

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seem only to celebrate the sacrifices of imam e ali maqaam but avent mentioned umar

Stop this nonsense!
Sajid, why do you always have to size every opportunity that comes along to pick on us?
First of all we don’t “CELEBRATE” sacrifices of Imame Husain, we praise them!

We love the Sahaba of our beloved Prophet and we praise all their sacrifices.
Without their contribution Islam would NOT hold its current position as the world’s second largest religion.

avent mentioned umar
I don’t want to get rough but who has stopped you from doing it?
You are so good at pointing fingers, but have you ever looked at your self in the mirror?
What is your contribution towards Hazart Umars sacrifices?
In your 222 posts, you haven’t mentioned His blessed name more then 1 once, isn’t this enough to prove your hypocrisy?

And for your information, Zikre Ahle Bayt and Zikre Sahaba is not a contradiction, it’s a contra distinction.
Meaning they don’t have any problems co existing simultaneously, they are in complete harmony and infact supporting the same cause!


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Posted 25 February 2004 - 09:06 PM (#10) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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If only you could see further .... It would help.... calling me names without any basis is NOT justified
May Allah swt forgive you and reward you ...
My answers are THIS TIME not mine but of Mufakhre Islaam's ...
Ustaad e Ulamaa Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani Haq Or Sadaqaat Kee Nashani HAQ SYED ABDUL QADIR JILANI !!!    


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Posted 25 February 2004 - 11:07 PM (#11) User is offline   naqshbandijamaati 

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assalamu alaykum.
Where have I called you names Shah sahib?! As for Pir Sahib I have taken bayat -e-barakat with them too.

But in aqida we have to follow the traditional ahle sunnat aqidah. Pir sahib himself will tell you that. No one is allowed to make up his own aqidah!


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Dee Unkii rahmat ne sadaa 'yeh bhi nahin voh bhi nahin!'
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 12:17 AM (#12) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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My Pir Sahib 's Aqeeda is my Aqeeda ... http://www.yanabi.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=565

We can both go to them and have this matter cleared up once and for all...
Calling names is by you saying that my views are like the Shia or what I believe is like Shia so its like calling a person a Shia !... Why did you choose Muharram to accuse me of having SHIA views ? Why has it taken you so long to accuse me ? Where you unaware of my views before ? I know some of the people that you know... Ask them what you have asked me and you will get the same Answer...

1) Nikah of Umm Khalsoom (as) daughter of Moula Ali (as) and Khatoon e Jannat Fatima (as) to Hazhrat Umar (ra) was fabricated... It never took place because of many valid and logical reasons....of which some I already have explained in detail under the topic SYEDS...

2) The Ahle Baieet are above the Ummah and the Sahaba e Iqraam... As they are DEEN and part of Rasool Allah (sawaw)

3) I hold this belief that even to consider anyone above the Ahle Baieet is unjustified... Why because the Holy Prophet (sawaw) themselves declared that they were part of the Ahle Baieet (as) (panj tan paak)... click here....How they are related

4) The Holy Prophet (sawaw) have left us TWO things the book of Allah the Holy Qur`aan and the Blessed Ahle Baieet (as) They repeated the word Ahle Baieet three times... Because they knew that all will accept the Holy Qur'aan but would fall short of respecting and following the Ahle Baieet.. Just like at the times of the past Prophets people readily accepted the books but rejected the Prophets... Look at the history of Bani Isreal... The so called Ummah of Rasool Allah (sawaw) did the same.... In Saffin Hazhrat Amir Muawiyyah accepted the Qur'aan but rejected the leadership of Imam Ali  (as) and Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as) ...  Hazhrat Amir Muawiyyah set a trend that was to last several hundred years the SYEDS were persecuted and denied leadership...To this extent that people cursed them in Majid Nabvi and the streets of Madina Munawara. Today we kiss the hands of SYEDS.. Please could anyone tell me why Hazhrat Amir Muawiyyah could not kiss the hands of the blessed Ahle Baieet (as) ? click here....Quraan & Ahle Baieet,


I say this much to you in ALL my posts choose what does NOT agree with the AHLE SUNNAH ...Prove it from Ahadeeith then If I am wrong then I will change my stand ... But as yet NO ONE has proved me wrong... Insha Allah by the dua of my Pir Sahib I will be not proven wrong ...

If a SHIA says that I am SHIA then I would think twice, the TRUTH is that the SHIAS do not agree with me and I do not agree with them ...
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 11:24 PM (#13) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Check out the link.... below my name
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Posted 27 February 2004 - 03:21 AM (#14) User is offline   naqshbandijamaati 

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If these 3 beliefs are your belief then certainly belief number (1) and (3) are not the majority opinion of the Ahlus Sunnah nor the belief of Ala Hazrat and as for (2) I am not sure. The Ahle Bayt are also a part of the Ummah because anyone who is a Muslim is an Ummati and it is unanimous that Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Uthman are greater than anyone else in the whole Ummat which includes the Ahle Bayt.

If your pir sahib has these beliefs as well that doesn't mean we have to accept them as being correct. Rather we will say with respect that on this issue your pir sahib's view differs from the majority of the ahlus sunnah. And I have got the book Hasab wa Nasab by Mufti Ghulam Rasul sahib at home too and read it and I was not convinced by the arguments. Also something which shocked me was that this book was published by the Anjuman e Fatimiyyah UK which is not the name of any Sunni organisation I know of or have ever hear of!

That is why I always ask for classical Sunni scholars to be referred to. Scholars which any Sunni  no matter who his pir is, will accept.

Dar tha ke 'isyaaN kii sazaa ab hogi ke roz i jazaa
Dee Unkii rahmat ne sadaa 'yeh bhi nahin voh bhi nahin!'
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 01:52 AM (#15) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Why can YOU not understand REASON ?

This is what you stated by ANSWERS ARE IN RED....

If these 3 beliefs are your belief then certainly belief number (1) and (3) are not the majority opinion of the Ahlus Sunnah nor the belief of Ala Hazrat and as for (2) I am not sure. The Ahle Bayt are also a part of the Ummah because anyone who is a Muslim is an Ummati and it is unanimous that Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Uthman are greater than anyone else in the whole Ummat which includes the Ahle Bayt.

The HOLY PROPHET (sawaw) Included themselves as PART of the Ahle Baieet (as) ... DO YOU AGREE ? If you disagree then you do NOT KNOW WHO the Ahle Baieet (as) are... 
ARE the Holy Prophet PART OF THE UMMAH or ABOVE the UMMAH .... ? If you think that they are part of the UMMAH then you have NOT understood NABOOWAT ....!
Imam Ali (as) ARE also part of the AHLE BAIEET...

If your pir sahib has these beliefs as well that doesn't mean we have to accept them as being correct. Rather we will say with respect that on this issue your pir sahib's view differs from the majority of the ahlus sunnah. And I have got the book Hasab wa Nasab by Mufti Ghulam Rasul sahib at home too and read it and I was not convinced by the arguments. Also something which shocked me was that this book was published by the Anjuman e Fatimiyyah UK which is not the name of any Sunni organisation I know of or have ever hear of!

If the HOLY QUR'AAN gets printed by a Christian publishers does that make it NON-READABLE ? That YOU do not agree with the book Hasab wa Nasab IS more of an honest OPINION from Yourself... But saying its printed by so and so that just shows that you are picking at straws ! There are many Christian Organisations that have printed our books ... so now do we discard them ?

That is why I always ask for classical Sunni scholars to be referred to. Scholars which any Sunni  no matter who his pir is, will accept.
I understand your fustration on this matter many classical SUNNI scholars thought different from what you say ?  Can you say that everything that you believe is according to the SUNNI CLASSICAL scholars ...? If you do not agree with the contents of Hasab wa Nasab which was written by a Sunni Scholar Mufti Ghulam Rasool, then what makes you think that you would Agree with me ?  

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 03:55 AM (#16) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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SIMPLE QUESTION ARE ALL HADIEETHS CORRECT AND AUTHENTIC CONTAINED IN THE SAH SITTA ?
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 11:26 AM (#17) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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OH MUNAFAQO YAZEEDI YO !

In these ten days of Muharram, you people have not said ONE WORD in the SHAN of the AHLE BAIEET .... YOUR TRUE COLOURS HAVE COME OUT .... HAZHRAT UMAR (RA) SHAHADAT WAS USED SO THAT WE FOCUS AWAY FROM THE AHLE BAIEET ... BUT DID IT WORK NO !!!

IN DOING SO YOU LOT HAVE LOST YOUR IMANS.... WHILE I REFUTED ALL YOUR FOUL MOUTHED LIES AND RUDE SO CALLED HADIEETHS ! REFUTED !

ANY MORE PROOFS ? MY NAME IS ZARB E HAIDARI  THE SWORD THAT HAD TWO POINTS ! ONE FOR THE SHIAS AND THE OTHER FOR THE MUNAFIQS/ KAFIRS/YAZEEDI !!!

NAAAAARAH EEEEEE HAIDARI !!!!

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Posted 08 March 2004 - 08:03 PM (#18) User is offline   muslim_bin_muslim 

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"DEEN ASTO HUSSAIN"   i thought Allama Muhammad Iqbal said this in one of his poems. 

just asking.

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Posted 08 March 2004 - 08:48 PM (#19) User is offline   Zarb-e-Haidari 

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Most Scholars of Islaam do not dispute this as being written by Syed Khawaja Mohiuddin Chisti Ajmeri (ra) Even if we find that it is disputed in who it was written by.... NO-ONE has ever disputed it contents ... As it agrees with the Hadeeith Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain..(as) and many others in the SHAN OF IMAM HUSSAIN (ALAI ISLAAM).... 
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