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The Correct Sunni Doctrine on the Twelve Imams What is the sunni view on the 12 Imams?

Posted 17 November 2009 - 07:09 PM (#1) User is offline   Hasan-Al-Askari 

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I emailed Shaykh Ahmed Amiruddin, a Deputy of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Adil al-Haqqani an-Naqshbandi, and asked him to clearify what Mawlana Shaykh Nazim transmitted to be the correct position of Ahlus Sunnah Wal  Jam'ah on the Twelve Imams.  Here is his response:

Q. What is the the correct Sunni position on the Twelve Imams?

A.  In light of the Hadith of Jibrail (alaihi salam), also known as the Hadith of Ihsan, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) defined his religion as Islam, Iman and Ihsan.  Based on the study of this Hadith, it is clear that according to the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alalihi wa aalihi wa sallam) Ihsan is one-third of the faith of Islam.  

Unlike the Khwarij, and those who deny Tasawwuf, Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jam'ah, the saved sect, are clear that the vehicle to taste the Maqam al-Ihsan is Tasawwuf, what is termed as Sufism by the people today.

With that established, to answer your question, I say, based on the teachings of the greatest leaders of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jam'ah throughout history, the Illustrious Twelve Imams (may Allah be well pleased with them all) are THE Qutbul-Aqtaab of Tasawwuf, meaning the highest ranking Saints of Sufism, under whose shelter every Wali attained his Wiliyah, and each Muslim is able to approach or even reach the state of Ihsan.  I say to you, that without them, there is no Tasawwuf, and without Tasawwuf, there is no Ihsan. Ihsan is one-third of the faith, and hence, belief in the Twelve Imams is in reality, one-third of the faith!

In his book the Ghadir Declaration, Shaykh al-Islam Dr. Tahir al-Qadiri quotes Imam Rabbani's comments on the status of Hadrat al-Murtada and the Twelve Imams, and the dependence of those who seek guidance directly on them for it, stating,

“And there is another way close to the spiritual sovereignty and this is the way of the Saints and the general friends of Allah, and this way is marked by its characteristic passion and it carries the guarantee of mediation and the leader and chieftain of the Saints of this way is ‘Alī al-Murtada. And this grand office is reserved for him. On this way, the feet of the Holy Prophet are on ‘Alī’s head and Fatima and Hasan and Husayn are included with him. I believe that he enjoyed this position even before his physical birth, as he did after it, and whosoever has received the divine blessing and guidance, has received it through him, because he is closest to the last point on this way and the centre of this spot belongs to him. And when his period ended, the grand office passed on to Hasan and Husayn and then on to each one of the Twelve Imāms, individually and elaborately. And whosoever received guidance in their life and after their death, received it through these Saints. And the refuge and place of shelter of the Saints of high ranks are these Saints, (because they are the centre of all spiritual activity) and the sides tend to converge on the centre” (Maktubat, Volume 9:173#123).

To elaborate further on the topic of the Ummah's dependence on the Twelve Imams in order to obtain Ihsan, the Masterful Khwaja; Imam Rabbani Mujaddid Alf Thani Ahmad al-Faruqi as-Sirhindi (qadas Allahu sirrahul 'aziz) describes the dependence of the Qutb al-Aqtab, who is responsible for the guiding the entire creation, on Hadrat 'Ali' al-Murtada (karram Allahu wajhu), stating in the Maktubat Sharif Vol. 1,

"O Brother! Indeed Imam ‘Ali is the holder of the keys of the Sainthood, Wilayah, of the Prophet Muhammad [s] and the training regime for the status of Aqtab, Awtad and Abdaal, who are from amongst the reserved Awliya, is done under the shelter of his Sainthood. The rank of Qutb al-Aqtab, who is the greatest Qutb and the guide and mentor of others, lays under his (‘Ali’s) feet. His orders are issued under the supervision and support of ‘Ali and he performs his duties under the supervision and support of ‘Ali and fulfills his tasks. Sayyida Fatima and both of her sons, the Imams (Hasan and Husayn) share this rank with ‘Ali.” (Maktubat Imam Rabbani, Volume 1:438#251)

Furthermore, Hadrat Shah Wali Allah Muhaddith al-Dahlawi echoed this belief, that dependence on the Sainthood of the Illustrious Twelve Imams is one-third of the faith, as it is the Twelve Imams who are the Pivots of Guidance in Tasawwuf, and since Tasawwuf leads to Ihsan, and since it is them who are the Pivots of that science, it is clear that it is the Twelve Imams then who lead one to the perfection of faith, Ihsan. 

I say to you again, without the Twelve Imams, ones faith cannot be completed, as Ihsan is the completion of faith, and the science of Ihsan; Tasawwuf, depends entirely on them!

The venerable Muhaddith Shah Wali Allah wrote:

"This faqir [referring to himself] has come to know that from all the other relations, the Twelve Imams [ra] have the relation of central pole leadership (Qutb). And the way of Tassawuf (Sufism) had taken birth during their lifetime. But all the orders of Aqaed and Shariah are limited to the ahadeeth of the Prophet (saww). And they have the order (Amr) of inner (Batin) leadership (Qutbiyat), which is free from the problems of Shariah. And in regards to the very leadership (Qutbiyat), each of them had an indication and ‘Nas’ for the next one to come, and the affairs of imamate which they said, actually referred to this kind of central pole leadership (Qutbiyat)." [Maqalaat al Waziyah fi Naseehat al-Wasiyah, page 7 (Lucknow)].

"Glory be to your Lord, the Lord of Honor, above what they describe.
And peace be on the Apostles.
And all praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds"
(Qur'an, 37:180)

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 01:57 AM (#2) User is offline   Mystic 

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Jazakallah! We should have more lectures on these 12 Imam since they are the main imams of tasawuuf.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 12:17 PM (#3) User is offline   True-Qadri-Razawi 

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Huzoor Taajush Shariah has also commented on the 12 imams. He has said that it is the way of the Shias only to believe in these 12 and using Alaihi Salaam for the Ahle Bayt is Haram and the way of the Rafzi.

Qaaderi Kar Qaaderi Rakh Qaaderiyo Me Utha

Qadre Abdul Qaadire Qudrat Numa Ke Waste

Ai Khuda Akhtar Raza Ko Charkh Par Islam Keh

Rakh Darakshaa Har Gharri Apni Raza Keh Waaste

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 03:30 PM (#4) User is offline   Hasan-Al-Askari 

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There is a difference of opinion on that as it was the practice of Imam Bukhari to use (alaihi salam) after the name of Hadrat 'Ali (radhi  Allahu anhu) and Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Adil al-Haqqani, an-Naqshbandi, a major Saint and Qutb, says (alaihi salam) after the name of Hadrat Mahdi (alaihi rahma). 
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Posted 18 November 2009 - 05:25 PM (#5) User is offline   objective-enquirer 

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Huzoor Taajush Shariah has also commented on the 12 imams. He has said that it is the way of the Shias only to believe in these 12 and using Alaihi Salaam for the Ahle Bayt is Haram and the way of the Rafzi.

That is His opinion and we respect it but many ahl al-sunna stalwarts have issued fatwa that 'alay salaam' is allowed to be said for the ahl al-bayt, for example, shaykh abd al-haq muhddis dehlavi®  writes in ashi'atul lama'aat that it is the practice of aslaaf to say alay salaam after the names of ahl al-bayt.

there are numerous references for this. the main debate amongst ulama was not whether you can say alay salaam for ther than the Prophet(s) but rather whether you can 'salaat' on them. for example imam bukhari was of the opinion that you can say 'salaat' on ghair-Nabi!! see commentries on bukhari hadith 'allahumma salle ala aal e abi awfa'..where they say that imam bukhari's considered it permissable to say 'salaat' after the name of ghair-nabi!!

allama ahmed saeed kazmi sahib also wrote on this and concluded that alay salaam on ahl al-bayt is permissable. i have heard people that we shouldnt wear 'black' because shia wear it....but did you know that in hanafi fiqh, the only colour considered to be mustahab is black. see kanz al-daqaiq, the fatwa text of hanafi fiqh where it says 'naduba labs as-sawaad' it is recomended to wear black clothes!!

now, this just gives you an idea that 'political and social climate' can make people issue fatwas that infact were held to be permissable in earlier times. i am really sick of the hate mongering and balatant homemade judgements just because it is in commone with the 'other'....

 

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 06:04 PM (#6) User is offline   Hasan-Al-Askari 

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In fact, I once asked Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin why Mawlana Shaykh Nazim says "alaihi salam" (peace be upon him) with Imam Mahdi's name and he replied, "we recite salli (peace) on the Prophet Muhammad (S) and the Aal i-Muhammad in Darud i-Ibrahimi, which was taught by the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) himself, that is why"...
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Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:05 PM (#7) User is offline   Mystic 

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I've also heard that Baba Farid (ra) used to wear black around muharaam time.
Here is a painting from a Sikh site which shows him wearing black.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 09:24 PM (#8) User is offline   Zarb-e-Ali 

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Yes its true brother, wearing black in muharram is preferred. I myself wear black during muharram, esp first 10 days.
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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:17 AM (#9) User is offline   qadrimuslim 

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As far as Ahlus Sunnah is concerned, who do we consider as the 12 Imams EXACTLY?

Last I checked, we accept the 12 Imams but we also accept others as Imams too.

ie Imam Muhammad Baqir AND his brother Imam Zayd bin Ali

Imam Musa Kazim and AND his brother Imam Isma'il

(May the blessings of Allah be upon them all)

please correct me if I am wrong here

 

the 12er Shia have twisted the Muslim belief in the Imams of Ahlul Bayt and have therefore left the main body of Muslims. They are strict on who they do and dont accept as Imams because their belief of Imam is WAY different to our belief and we consider most of their belief as heresy.

Yet it is sad that some Sunnis have turned away from Ahlul Bayt simply because they are worried about Shia beliefs creeping in. This is why we hear tough opionions these days with regards to saying Alaihis Salam and wearing black. Yes, we should differentiate from Shia innovations but lets not chop away at our established principles!

We need to take back the Ahlul Bayt and the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt and leave the Shia in the cold. We need Sunni Ulama to teach more about the Imams of the blessed household, because, at the moment, the Shia think it is their birth right and are ahead of us in this field!!

"The Sufi Must Submit to the Faqih" - Shaykh Ahmad Zurruq (RA)

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:58 AM (#10) User is offline   Mystic 

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Brother don't let the 12r shia aqeeda play tricks with your mind. This sect has polluted the term shia itself. They went into extremes by saying that Allah (swt) only appointed a douzen men to rule the Ummah. In fact they are so extreme with this view that they don't even expect Prophet Isa (as) to rule the ummah after Imam Mahdi (as). Anyway, the reality is that the 12 imams are spiritual heads of the Ummah. Remember there can only be one ghous at a time. As for the other Imams they were imams, but they were not the Ghous of the era. The responsibility of ghousiath was given to the 12 imams who were Imams of every branch of Islam such as Fiqh, tasawuuf, theology, kalam etc..


Now Ghoul Al Azam is a ghous himself but he wasn't given responsibility in the other areas of Islam. When Imam Mahdi (as) he will be a ghous and he will have the responsibility to teach the Ummah of the other branches of Islam as well.

Imam Zayd bin Ali (as) and other aalids were Imams in fiqh, theology, tafseer, kalam, but they weren't give the responsibility of ghousiat. However, you don't have to be a ghous to be an awlia.


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:41 AM (#11) User is online   Tahir-Riaz 

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i am really sick of the hate mongering and balatant homemade judgements just because it is in commone with the 'other'...

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:21 AM (#12) User is offline   blogger 

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Salam,

I think we need to ask the question how do we the Ahle Sunnah differ from the Shia (Twelvers) with regards to the twelve Imams.

We also need to ponder the fact that the title 'Imam' has been used for many great pious personalities such as Imam Muslim, Imam Abu Hanifa ... etc. We refer to them as Imams due to their immense efforts and knoweldge on Fiqh, Hadith.

We also use the title 'Imam' for certain members of the Ahle Bayt and even though they were masters of the religion and had great knowledge they did not produce literature on the scale of Bukhari, Muslim or weren't renowned for their mastery of Fiqh and Hadith.

When we refer to the Ahle Bayt as Imams, in what context do we regard them as Imams?
What role does an Imam of the Ahle Bayt have?
For example, within the context of Imamat how does Imam Abu Hanifa differ from Imam Musa Kazim?
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Posted 19 November 2009 - 01:46 PM (#13) User is offline   Qadri-Jilani 

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Brother true qadri rizwi, I think you need to recheck what Allama Akhtar Raza Sahib says because Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan mentions the twelve Imams and he also sends salam on the ahl-e-bayt (and others too!).

Our difference with the shia is that we do not consider the 12 Imams as being appointed and designated by Allah Ta'ala. You will find there are Shia who believe their status is higher than other Prophets. They believe that they are masoom (infalliable) whereas we believe that 'isma is only accorded to Prophets (and angles). Others can ne mahfooz but not ma'soom.

One thing which became clear from the Islamic Masail programmes is that they believe that the many fazail mentioned for the Ahl-e-Bayt are restricted to these twelve only whereas we believe that all awlaad-e-rasool are meant by the fazail mentioned in the Holy Quran and Hadith. We use the word Imam for other members of the Ahl-e-Bayt, not just the 12, whereas the shia are adamant that the word Imam should not be used for anyone else but the 12.

The Awliya Kiraam have mentioned the significance of the 12 Imams but we should be careful to distinguish between the correct and false beliefs regarding them.

Allama Abdur Rahman Jami wrote a book on the 12 Imams called Nafahat al-Uns, I think it has been translated into Urdu but not yet in English.

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apni millat par qiyas aqwam-e-maghrib sei na kar, khas hei tarkeeb mein qawm-e-Rasool-e-Hashmi
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Posted 19 November 2009 - 01:50 PM (#14) User is offline   Qadri-Jilani 

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blogger, a quick point. I think what you were saying is that they were renowned for their mastery in Hadith and Fiqh. In fact they were unparalleled in knowledge and the words of the salaf and those that came after are further testimony to this. In our age yes, it is sad that this has been forgetten by many and I think it is down to - like you said - that they did not write much but rather passed on their ilm. Also there were organsied campaigns by various dynasties in our history that attempted to remove all reverence of the Ahl-e-Bayt for the fear that people were and would become even more attracted to them that it they felt a threat to their own power. Jelousy of course was a major reason.

It is our job to inform people of this fact and make it quite clear that they were the Imams of Ahl-us-Sunnah and no other faith.

As Ulama say, there were Imams of Hadith and Imams of Fiqh, the Imams of Ahl-e-Bayt were the Imams of DEEN.

Imam Abu Hanifa would say, law la as-sanataan, la halaqa al-nu'maan.

If it was not for the two years I spent with Imam Jafar Sadiq, I would have perished.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 03:06 PM (#15) User is offline   Sunni-Soldier-Of-Islam 

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Brother true qadri rizwi, I think you need to recheck what Allama Akhtar Raza Sahib says because Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan mentions the twelve Imams and he also sends salam on the ahl-e-bayt (and others too!).

Our difference with the shia is that we do not consider the 12 Imams as being appointed from and designated by Allah Ta'ala. You will find there are Shia who believe their status is higher than other Prophets. They believe that they are masoom (infalliable) whereas we believe that 'isma is only accorded to Prophets (and angles). Others can ne mahfooz but not ma'soom.

One thing which became clear from the Islamic Masail programmes is that they believe that the many fazail mentioned for the Ahl-e-Bayt are restricted to these twelve only whereas we believe that all awlaad-e-rasool are meant by the fazail mentioned in the Holy Quran and Hadith. We use the word Imam for other members of the Ahl-e-Bayt, not just the 12, whereas the shia are adamant that the word Imam should not be used for anyone else but the 12.

The Awliya Kiraam have mentioned the significance of the 12 Imams but we should be careful to distinguish between the correct and false beliefs regarding them.

Allama Abdur Rahman Jami wrote a book on the 12 Imams called Nafahat al-Uns, I think it has been translated into Urdu but not yet in English.

 

Salam bahi,

 

Bahi as I have read and understood, the Imams of Ahlul Bait are also in many of the SUFI TARIQAAT of Sunnis e.g Qadri Silsa, Naqhsbandi, Sohwardi etc. And Alhumdullilah we Sunnis if we are Spritually invovled in any Sufi tariqat we have the whole lineage to prove who headed a particular Tariqat in there time, DO THE SHIA's have any SUFI tariqat that they link to these Imams??

I mean no offense, but most of the Shia;s I see are pure haters, and always discuss topic that are relating to cursing a particular person or group, I do not see any of them invovled in Sufism, all I actually see them invovled in DuwA Qumail (which is not even sahih) Duwa Tawasuf (also not sahih ) and matam during muharam, I do not see any of them doing ZIKR the way we do...

Can you please explain do they actually follow our Imams spritually or do they only give them titles and attributes of prophets and claim to be owners of them?

Wasalam

 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 03:47 PM (#16) User is offline   Mystic 

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Brother I've met so many 12rs Shias who tell me that many of the major sufi saints were really shias under taqiyah. However, I refuted their belief by pointing out that their biggest scholar Mullah Baqir Al Majalisi was against Sufism. The first sufi within the 12r shia sect was Mullah Sadra. When he preached Sufism to the 12rs in Iran, Mullah Majalisi opposed him. He even tried to persecute him. When you mention this even to the 12rs shias who make such ridiculous claims that sufi saints are really rafidis under taqiyah they are silenced. Why ? The reason is because Mullah Baqir al Majalisi is among the top scholars of their sect. In another words he is the ibn Taymiyah of Rafidism.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 03:36 AM (#17) User is offline   qadrimuslim 

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I agree with the all the above posts

Shia belief of the Imams is twisted and full of fabrications, lies, innovations and blatant gross misrepresentation. They cannot even agree who the Imams actually are!!

We Sunnis hold the Imams of Ahlul Bayt as revivers of Islam - I agree that they are Imams of the complete Deen and our other Imams took from them what they could and went onto contribute accordingly in their own field ie Fiqh. When the religion was being twisted in the name of power, these are the men who stood up for truth and led the religion in the right direction. This contribution of the Ahlul Bayt is overlooked by many but should be recognised by all.

They were also the Imams of Jihad and led many campaigns against tyrany - fearless and brave men who held principle and righteousness over the fear of death. No other Imams are comparable to the Imams of Ahlul Bayt! The Imams of Hadeeth (Ahle Hadeeth) like Imam Bukhari and Muslim (RA) have been mentioned but I still would not compare them to the Imams of Ahlul Bayt!

Further down the timeline, I also consider Ghawth Al Azam (RA) as an Imam from the Ahlul Bayt and the same goes for all the sons of Fatimah (RA) whose names are enlightened among the Ummah as revivers of Deen - those who took Islam to the far lands and established Husseiniyat in places like the Indian suncontinent.

"The Sufi Must Submit to the Faqih" - Shaykh Ahmad Zurruq (RA)

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 03:29 AM (#18) User is offline   Mystic 

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Salaam
I would like to post a supplication from Ghoul Al Azam where he mentions the 12 Imams. This supplication includes the names of all the 12 imams.

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 06:21 AM (#19) User is offline   Hasan-Al-Askari 

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Amazing, thank you brother for posting the Vird e-Kubra of Ghawth al-Adham.  Do you have anything in Arabic, and a source for that Vird, which is so beautiful...I want proof of whether Ghawth al-Adham believed in the Twelve Imams or not and if there is any direct evidence from his teachings for this.  I think it is very important
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 07:36 AM (#20) User is offline   Mystic 

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I don't know. I got it from this site below. Shaykh Amiruddin's brother in law told me that Ghous Al Azam used to add Jafari after his name. Also, when Imam Hassan al Askari (as) was alive he told his followers to give his cloak to Ghous Al Azam.
http://www.irfanokul...ulkadireng.html

I know Ibn Arabi (ra) has some details about their imamate and the Mahdi. When I questioned my own shaykh about these matters he replied by saying these are secret affairs and we can't share them with people. However, he confirmed that the 12 imams are the main Imams of tasawuuf.

Now when we look at the shia they don't have much details about the spiritual lives of the 12 imams. All the spiritual teachings trace back to the Sufis only. The only communication the 12r shias have with the 12th imam is the through the 4 companions. Whereas the top sufis saints meet Mahdi whenever they wish.








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