[Fekay]

Yes Najadis are totally 100% correct about not saying ya rasoul allah and the reason they are right is because the word (Ya) is used for someone close to you and no dought rasoul allah are not close to the Najadis but sunni's also 100% correct about saying ya rasoul allah because rasoul allah are always close to the sunni's ,they are in the sunni's hearts and that is why sunni's say ya rasoul allah.

I Hope the debates about Saying Ya rasoul allah ends now.

[nizamvaid]

MASHAALLAH!!

Naray Risalat- Ya RasoolAllah!!

[faysal]

Salaam brother asif, i know what you are getting at and alhamdulillah what you said was true, but not 100%...please dont take this in a negative way, but the harf YAA, is used for both close and far. This i have learnd with an ustaad from the book Nahv Mir, a 700 year old book that is still included in the cirriculam of Dars-e-nizami in Pakistan. In this book it clearly states that the harf YAA is used for both close and far, so distance has no relevance when using this harf.

By the way, i am qattar sunni alhamdulillah!!! Dont anyone get any ideas thinking i am from "across the border". Lol.

Please forgive me if i have hurt anyones feelings!!!

[AbbasHaider786]

Imam ibn Hajar asqalani in fath al bari volume 2 records a narration, which is also recorded by bayhaqi, hakim ibn khuzayma with sahih musnads. that Bilal ibn al Haarith who was a companion of Rasoolallah (saww) went to the blessed grave of Muhammed (saww) in a dry year of the khalifah of Umar ibn Khattab (ra) and said the following 'YA Rasoolallah! Ask Allah to send rain upon us as the crops are dying and the land is dry'

because they know he is alive in his grave, and the sahaba know that if yougive Salaam upon Him (saww) He will reply and give Salaam onto us. =)

and even then, Quran mentions in the 29th Juz 'ya ayuhal muzammil' and 'ya ayuhal mudathir' and when we read them words of the Qur'an we are basically saying 'Ya Muhamed' :)

[a2ssm]

asalam alaikum brother abbas

Just a few points to think about regarding this hadith.

1. You did not mention under what heading/chapter imam ibn hajar cited the hadith.  It comes under the heading salat ul istisqa - prayer for rain

2. Why was it not put under the heading tawasul through prophet (saw)? 

3. You did not complete the hadith with the narration - after hearing about the man’s dream (who is said to be Bilal al Harith), (umar) asking the people on the minbar if they have seen anything bad from him, and then he tells them about the dream that Bilal saw, so they told him: “Bilal has spoken the truth, so make istiqatha (seek or ask for help) to Allah, then the Muslims”. So then Umar radiyallahu anhu does istisqa’ through al Abbas radiyallahu anhu.

4. From there is no evidence to mention that Umar (ra) was aware that the man went to the grave and thus we cannot say it was endorsed by Umar (ra).  

5. Many scholars have said the hadith that is reported is weak due to malik ad dar - you can look up the reasons for that yourself

6. The reason why it can not be used as support for asking the prophet (saw) is because in the dream the prophet (saw) is commanding them to pray to Allah themselves.

7.  If the prophet (saw) had permission to pray to allah and ask for rain it would have rained immediately whilst the person was at the grave of the prophet (saw).  But it did not until they prayed to Allah with the al abbas (uncle of the prophet saw)

8.  Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 123:
Narrated Anas: 

Whenever drought threatened them, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, used to ask Al-Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib to invoke Allah for rain. He used to say, "O Allah! We used to ask our Prophet to invoke You for rain, and You would bless us with rain, and now we ask his uncle to invoke You for rain. O Allah ! Bless us with rain."(1) And so it would rain.   
9. Why did umar (ra) always use the tawassul of al-abbas after the demise of the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him).

10. Why did umar (may allah be pleased with him) not go himself to the grave as he understood islam at its level best and would have known to go to the grave of the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him) had it been a viable avenue to seek mediation.  If you had the choice of asking the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him) or the uncle of the prophet i'm sure we all agree we would go and seek istigatha from the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him).
11. Regarding the words we find that say "ya rasoolallah" in the quran then that is a statement and the quran is not calling the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him) everytime we read it.  When we narrate a story from the seerat of the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him), and the companions address the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him) with ya rasoolallah, it does not mean the person reading the story is calling the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him). So to say that gives permission to call the prophet (may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him) is rather weak.
As i have said before brother there is danger in going and looking for a quran ayat or hadith to support something that we are doing.  The reason being is we will automatically see meanings that are not there to support our ideas as no one likes to be wrong and that is the way the mindset works.  Rather when we come to know of it (i.e. hadith) we accept it and then we do the action.  And that is the safest and best option.
w salam

[adnanghurabaa]

Salaam

I think everyone should check the translation of the tushahuud. And Then find an arabic teacher to explain how ya and the letter used in the tushahudd are similar.

[beautifulwayoflife]

The words of the naat shareef "tere naam ton wara jaan" come to mind...
"eh naara changa lagda'e jedhoon mehfil de vich wajda eNaara'ey Risaalat Ya RasoolAllah!eh naara changa lagda'e jedhoon mehfil de vich wajda e Eh Sunniyaan di pehchaan Ya RasoolAllah 
Tere naam ton wara Jaan Ya RasoolAllah"

[Fekay]

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Yes Najadis are totally 100% correct about not saying ya rasoul allah and the reason they are right is because the word (Ya) is used for someone close to you and no dought rasoul allah are not close to the Najadis but sunni's also 100% correct about saying ya rasoul allah because rasoul allah are always close to the sunni's ,they are in the sunni's hearts and that is why sunni's say ya rasoul allah.

I Hope the debates about Saying Ya rasoul allah ends now.

LOL

[s.amin]

Assalamualaikum,

v muslims cud b mch united if only v cd rise abv our differences.. thrs no sunni, salafi, wahabi in Islam, v hv created these diff n nw v use thm to identify,,, before questioning ourslves with what sect of Islam v r from, the prime question shd b HOW MUCH DO V FOLLOW IT,,?
i my slf hv been very confused in all of this, kinda been at war inside me thinking wts ryt n wrong, bt thn agn i m no one to decide on it,, its all said n done my Rasool Allah,, v were sent to follow, not to add,subtract,etc.but now i jst take good of all wt i hear, accpet wt my brains allow me to, n leave the rest for Allah to guide me on..

V r all muslims brothers n sisters, lets stay united, rise abv our differences,

mch luv

samin

[syedabdulwahabibrahim]

Fekay, on 20 September 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Yes Najadis are totally 100% correct about not saying ya rasoul allah and the reason they are right is because the word (Ya) is used for someone close to you and no dought rasoul allah are not close to the Najadis but sunni's also 100% correct about saying ya rasoul allah because rasoul allah are always close to the sunni's ,they are in the sunni's hearts and that is why sunni's say ya rasoul allah.

I Hope the debates about Saying Ya rasoul allah ends now.

Superb lolz, One shayer says " COZ OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT INSIDE BEAUTY IS HID IN THEIR HEARTS " THAT'S ALLAH HIS RASOOLULLAH S.A.W

[Fekay]

syedabdulwahabibrahim, on 11 June 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

Superb lolz, One shayer says " COZ OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT INSIDE BEAUTY IS HID IN THEIR HEARTS " THAT'S ALLAH HIS RASOOLULLAH S.A.W

20 September 2009, back when debating deviants was the fashion.

[northern.rock]

Fekay, on 20 September 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Yes Najadis are totally 100% correct about not saying ya rasoul allah and the reason they are right is because the word (Ya) is used for someone close to you and no dought rasoul allah are not close to the Najadis but sunni's also 100% correct about saying ya rasoul allah because rasoul allah are always close to the sunni's ,they are in the sunni's hearts and that is why sunni's say ya rasoul allah.

I Hope the debates about Saying Ya rasoul allah ends now.

why bcos you have conjured up a half baked explanation? on an anti israeli march, muslims of arabic descent were chanting Khyber Khyber ya yahud ... do you want me to believe they were 'close' to the jews?

[Fekay]

northern.rock, on 04 July 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

why bcos you have conjured up a half baked explanation? on an anti israeli march, muslims of arabic descent were chanting Khyber Khyber ya yahud ... do you want me to believe they were 'close' to the jews?

If you posted 3 years earlier, I would of answered your question. Now I can't remember the intention behind the topic.

Can any mod please delete this topic please! It's coming back to haunt me. ha ha