[Jenny]

In connection with a misinterpretation of Christianity by certain representaives of Islam,I feel myself obliged to give a few explanations.

1.Christianity is false and corrupted.
We Christians are aware,that a part of Jesus`s lessons might have been lost,so we learn what has not been lost (so all what we have).But even if it`s not the whole teaching of Jesus,it does not change the main point and the whole sense of Jesus`s teaching,that is 10 Orders and 2 The Greatest Orders,which say clearly what is permitted in Christianity and what is not.Muslims say,that there are some inaccuracies in The Bible.It`s true,but inaccuracies are also in Qur`an.

2.Jesus was God according to The Bible.
According to The Bible,Jesus was not God.He never was calling himself God.He was calling himself a Son of God (not physical son) and a Prophet,having a divine part-a gift from God called The Holy Ghost,which was helping Jesus to fulfill his mission.

3.Christians have 3 Gods,because that`s what Trinity means.
It`s not so.Persons interested in the explanation,I invite to read a topic "60 questions for the Christians".

4.Christianity permits to murder,rape,adultery,incest,and so forth.
These things are considered to be great sins according to Christianity.

5.Christianity orders war.
There`s no even a single verse in The New Book,which orders war or doing a wrong to others.It`s a duty of Christian to consider all people,independently of their faith or nationality,to be his brothers and treat them how a Christian would like to be treated himself.

6.Christian faith is not a religion,because it does not create a law.
Christian law is obvious,it`s 10 Orders.Christianity does not create a civil law,but nowhere is written,that a religion must create a law to be a religion.If a religion does not orders in particulars,for example what to do before a prayer or how to divorce,it does not mean,that it ceased to be a religion.Most of law in Christian countries is based on Christianity.

7.Christians have many kinds of The Bible.
They are not different kinds of The Bible,but translations.Translators are obliged to do their work as precisely as they can.(problem,that they have not always been).

8.Judaism and Christianity are the same.
They are two different religions.A Jewish law is not obligatory to Christians,and The Old Book is obligatory to the extent,which agrees with The New Book.Jesus said clearly,that he had come to the earth to create a new faith.

9.Christianity opresses women.
There`s only one point about that:that women should not deliver orations in a church.Christian woman has equal rights with a man,including also rights according to a law.

10.Letters of Apostol Paul is equally important as The Four Books.
They are not.Words of Apostol Paul are only recommendations,not orders.

11.Christianity allows for drunkenness.
According to Chritianity,it`s allowed to drink alcohol,but it`s forbidden to be drunk.


In addition:

1.Christian God is not the same who Allah.
If somebody maintains this,this way he maintains,that he believes,that 2 Gods exist.

2.Today`s Christians are responsible for religious wars from 16-th century.
Muslim brother,what would you say,if I tell you:"You are responsible for something,what your ancestor from 16-th century has done"?

3.Christians favour wars with Muslims.
Christianity forbids religious wars.People who favour wars another than protective,are sinners according to Christianity.

4.Catholic rules are the same what other Christian`s rules.
There are 3 main groups of Christians:Catholics,Orthodox,Protestants.They differ from each other.

Everybody who want to know more and will not find the answer in "60 questions for the Christians",are free to ask questions.I`ll try to do my best to answer.

[Abdul-Mustafa]

Hello Jenny! How are you sister? :)

"1.Christianity is false and corrupted.
We Christians are aware,that a part of Jesus`s lessons might have been lost,so we learn what has not been lost (so all what we have).point and the whole sense of Jesus`s teaching,that is 10 Orders and 2 The Greatest OrdersBut even if it`s not the whole teaching of Jesus,it does not change the main ,which say clearly what is permitted in Christianity and what is not.Muslims say,that there are some inaccuracies in The Bible.It`s true,but inaccuracies are also in Qur`an."

You raised this point in the other post too. You agree that Bible is corrupted, right?

If you can let know which part is corrupted and which is not? And how come you know that 'this' part is corrupted and 'that' is not?

Actually, these inaccuracies in the Bible attack the concept of The Absolute Perfection of Final Divince Guidance  and it is irrational and illogical to consider an Ultimate Divince Guidance to be incomplete, errored or changed and to assume that it is not preserved for the mankind.

Diffrent people have different scales, therefore you need an Absolutely Perfect scale to avoid chaos. You may point some part of Bible to be correct and some other to be inaccurate, someone else may say "No, even that part is correct." And hence, it will cause confusion and uncertainity even in the acceptibility of The Bible. Do all Christians have a common 'accepted part' of Bible and a common 'unaccepted part' of Bible? If yes, what is the reason for having an 'unaccpeted portion' in the Bible?

The Holy Qur'an has no inaccuracies and is Absolutely Perfect! And you may want to have a debate on that.

The Bible has inaccuracies. This is not a debateable topic.

This is because you never see a Muslim saying that The Holy Qur'an contains inaccuracies but, my dear sister, today I saw a Christian agreeing that Bible has inaccuracies. Come on, how come an Ultimate Guidance to the Mankind from their Lord contain corruptions and be not preserved for them?!

[Jenny]

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Hello Jenny! How are you sister? :)

"1.Christianity is false and corrupted.
We Christians are aware,that a part of Jesus`s lessons might have been lost,so we learn what has not been lost (so all what we have).point and the whole sense of Jesus`s teaching,that is 10 Orders and 2 The Greatest OrdersBut even if it`s not the whole teaching of Jesus,it does not change the main ,which say clearly what is permitted in Christianity and what is not.Muslims say,that there are some inaccuracies in The Bible.It`s true,but inaccuracies are also in Qur`an."

You raised this point in the other post too. You agree that Bible is corrupted, right?

If you can letknow which part is corrupted and which is not? And how come you know that 'this' part is corrupted and 'that' is not?

Actually, these inaccuracies in the Bible attackthe concept of The Absolute Perfection ofFinal Divince Guidanceand it is irrational and illogical to consider an Ultimate Divince Guidance to be incomplete, erroredorchanged and to assume that it is not preserved for the mankind.

Diffrent people have different scales, therefore you need an Absolutely Perfect scale to avoid chaos. You may pointsome part of Bibleto becorrect and some other to be inaccurate, someone else may say "No, even that part is correct."And hence,it will cause confusion and uncertainity even in the acceptibility of The Bible. Do all Christians have a common 'accepted part' of Bible and a common 'unaccepted part' of Bible? If yes, what is the reason for having an 'unaccpeted portion' in the Bible?

The Holy Qur'an has no inaccuracies and is Absolutely Perfect! And you may want to have a debate on that.

The Bible has inaccuracies. This is not a debateable topic.

This is because you never see a Muslim saying that The Holy Qur'an contains inaccuracies but, my dear sister, todayI saw a Christian agreeing that Bible has inaccuracies. Come on, how come an Ultimate Guidance to the Mankind from their Lord contain corruptions and be not preserved for them?!

I did not say,that The Bible is corrupted.I said this is a misconception.Qur`an has inaccuracies,and which ones,you can find the answer on this forum.

[Abdul-Mustafa]

".Muslims say,that there are some inaccuracies in The Bible.It`s true,but inaccuracies are also in Qur`an."

And what does that mean sister? I may have misunderstood you.

 

[Jenny]

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Abdul Mustafa (03.08.2009)

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".Muslims say,that there are some inaccuracies in The Bible.It`s true,but inaccuracies are also in Qur`an."

And what does that mean sister? I may have misunderstood you.

Inaccuracies,which are not important for explanation of a mission of Jesus.For example,all names of Jesus`s ancestors,and some others,equally small and not very important.

[Alom]

A book of God cannot be called The Book of God if it contains traces of inaccurate information.  God is beyond the restriction of human errors so how can He complete a book that contains fragments of inaccurate information? 

 

The answer is He can’t or rather He wont because He is The All Truthful The All wise, which is why I challenge you Jenny to locate the verses, the chapters, the hymms where you find the Holy book of Quran to be inaccurate.  Albeit it was constructed by human hands but it was guided, protected and still is protected by God because it is the true words of God.

 

I shall wait for these inaccurate information’s that you so speak of and InsahAllah we shall discuss further upon it if it indeed needs further discussing.

[Jenny]

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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A book of God cannot be called The Book of God if it contains traces of inaccurate information. God is beyond the restriction of human errors so how can He complete a book that contains fragments of inaccurate information?

The answer is He can’t or rather He wont because He is The All Truthful The All wise, which is why I challenge you Jenny to locate the verses, the chapters, the hymms where you find the Holy book of Quran to be inaccurate. Albeit it was constructed by human hands but it was guided, protected and still is protected by God because it is the true words of God.

I shall wait for these inaccurate information’s that you so speak of and InsahAllah we shall discuss further upon it if it indeed needs further discussing.

You forgot,that Qur`an was not WRITTEN by God himself.The Bible either.About perfection one can speak only,if he sees something written by God.I need some time to find this post for you,but I give you my word I will.

[Jenny]

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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A book of God cannot be called The Book of God if it contains traces of inaccurate information. God is beyond the restriction of human errors so how can He complete a book that contains fragments of inaccurate information?

The answer is He can’t or rather He wont because He is The All Truthful The All wise, which is why I challenge you Jenny to locate the verses, the chapters, the hymms where you find the Holy book of Quran to be inaccurate. Albeit it was constructed by human hands but it was guided, protected and still is protected by God because it is the true words of God.

I shall wait for these inaccurate information’s that you so speak of and InsahAllah we shall discuss further upon it if it indeed needs further discussing.

The topic "Contradictions in The Bible".

[Alom]

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Jenny (03.08.2009)[

You forgot,that Qur`an was not WRITTEN by God himself

 

Jenny I do myself justice of trying not to forget but because I am constructed as a human it is a deficiency for me to forget things from time to time, however regarding this section I can assure you I haven’t forgotten but it is you who in your haste has overlooked my post where I have stated and I quote:

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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Albeit it was constructed by human hands

 

That quote should present to you that I am fully aware that the Words of God was inked down in paper by human hands which like I said was guided by God Himself, if you can prove that regardless of that the Quran still contains inaccurate information then that nullifies my stance of God guiding man into perfecting the Holy Book of Quran which I am clearly waiting to see.

 

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Jenny (03.08.2009)

The topic "Contradictions in The Bible".

 

I am clearly aware of the topic title but perhaps you may have forgotten it which is why you brought the whole Quran misconception up when in truth it has nothing to do with the topic in hand, so since you brought it up I hope you have the required evidence to back it up too.

 

Good luck.

[Jenny]

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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Jenny (03.08.2009)[

You forgot,that Qur`an was not WRITTEN by God himself

Jenny I do myself justice of trying not to forget but because I am constructed as a human it is a deficiency for me to forget things from time to time, however regarding this section I can assure you I haven’t forgotten but it is you who in your haste has overlooked my post where I have stated and I quote:

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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Albeit it was constructed by human hands

That quote should present to you that I am fully aware that the Words of God was inked down in paper by human hands which like I said was guided by God Himself, if you can prove that regardless of that the Quran still contains inaccurate information then that nullifies my stance of God guiding man into perfecting the Holy Book of Quran which I am clearly waiting to see.

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Jenny (03.08.2009)

The topic "Contradictions in The Bible".

I am clearly aware of the topic title but perhaps you may have forgotten it which is why you brought the whole Quran misconception up when in truth it has nothing to do with the topic in hand, so since you brought it up I hope you have the required evidence to back it up too.

Good luck.

Evidence is a text itsself.As to the Bible,Christians believe,that authors of The Bible were guided by The Holy Ghost to describe a sense of mission of Jesus,but nobody says,that these authors were guided word by word.It`s not the offence to say,that something written by a human hand may be not totally perfect-it`s natural and not very significant.The only what really counts,is to show the sense and rules of a given faith.

[Alom]

So in other words you still haven’t managed to locate these so called inaccurate information given in the Quran.  Well I am in no hurry so you take your time searching for them but before I go here is a word of advice, always have your proof ready in hand when you are trying to prove something because you never know when you might be called to produce them.

 

Regarding the bible my brothers can prove if they haven’t already that your scripture the one you now currently hold was not governed by God due to fragments of inaccurate information, so it doesn’t matter what they say we have our proofs and your one of them since you do agree, however I am still waiting to uncover the same in Quran so if you do know then please do enlighten us.

 

When you do find something then please be more then welcome to open a different thread so we can discuss upon this in more lighten manner.  Until then I ask permission for the leave, God bless.

[Qadri-Jilani]

Jenny, has the text of the bible been courrupted/altered by humans?

[Damishq]

To Jenny...

My question is regarding the trinity. The trinity, as Christians believe, is the father, the son and the holy spirit. I have been told by a Christian that Christians believe that God is in 3 parts:

1) God the father
2)God the son (Jesus) and...
3)God the holy spirit

My question to you is that if Jesus (Alayhis Salam) is considered God, then who did he pray to when he was on Earth? If your answer is that he (Alayhis Salam) prayed to God, the father, then it seems as though there are two Gods. The trinity does not make sense to me, so if you could elaborate further that would be much appreciated. Thank you.

[Jenny]

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'Ishqu Qalbi Ya Habib Allah صَلَّى اللهُ تَعَالٰى عَلَيْه وَاٰله وَسَلَّم (03.08.2009)

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To Jenny...

My question is regarding the trinity. The trinity, as Christians believe, is the father, the son and the holy spirit. I have been told by a Christian that Christians believe that God is in 3 parts:

1) God the father
2)God the son (Jesus) and...
3)God the holy spirit

My question to you is that if Jesus (Alayhis Salam) is considered God, then who did he pray to when he was on Earth? If your answer is that he (Alayhis Salam) prayed to God, the father, then it seems as though there are two Gods. The trinity does not make sense to me, so if you could elaborate further that would be much appreciated. Thank you.

The full answer you will find at the beginning of my answer for the topic "60 questions for the Christians".

[Jenny]

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Alom (03.08.2009)

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So in other words you still haven’t managed to locate these so called inaccurate information given in the Quran. Well I am in no hurry so you take your time searching for them but before I go here is a word of advice, always have your proof ready in hand when you are trying to prove something because you never know when you might be called to produce them.

Regarding the bible my brothers can prove if they haven’t already that your scripture the one you now currently hold was not governed by God due to fragments of inaccurate information, so it doesn’t matter what they say we have our proofs and your one of them since you do agree, however I am still waiting to uncover the same in Quran so if you do know then please do enlighten us.

When you do find something then please be more then welcome to open a different thread so we can discuss upon this in more lighten manner. Until then I ask permission for the leave, God bless.

About small inaccuracies in Qur`an,examples have been given by some people before me,but Muslims don`t want to know them,so it makes no sense to repeat it again.And the truth is,that all what Muslims have against The Bible,are at best circumstantial evidences.Moreover,is someone cares so much for a total world victory of his religion,there will always be doubts if he is really impartial.
Alom,nobody forbids Muslims to consider their faith to be the best one.In fact,a man usually professes this religion,which he consider to be best-it`s normal and natural.But Muslims cannot expect,that someone of another religion will be considering Islam and everything in Islam to be the best and only perfect faith in the world.
I met Muslims,who were laughing or mocking at other religions,but if someone began to to the same with their religion,they were ready even to kill this person.Obviously they were thinking,that they are allowed,but others are not allowed.I met many Muslims,who was taking a help,sometimes a great help,from a Christian,and they still were hating this Christian! All only because of his faith,and strangely enough,it was unimportant to them,that is his faith what orders him to help them.It`s enough if we all accept,that other`s religion is not neccesarily stupid,and we will get a knowledge about others`s principles before we begin to judge and condemn them.

[Jenny]

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Qadri Jilani (03.08.2009)

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Jenny, has thetext of thebible been courrupted/altered by humans?

The suspected problem is only with small parts of Gospels of Mark and John,NOT the whole text of The Bible.

[Alom]

Jenny my dear you are really making what should have been a short and simple story in to long and unbearably exhausting, I don’t care what other people think, I don’t care how they behave, I don’t care how much knowledge they have or haven’t, all I want to know is what are the verses that contradicts what Islam is all about, which part of the Quran if any to begin with seems inaccurate to you.

 

So I am going to say this one last time because you are just going round and round, please provide me the evidence, show me the verses.  I don’t know what group of people told you about these misconception but if you know it then please do tell because according to my vast superior knowledge I still haven’t found any, these are the words of a science researcher and not of one driven by faith.

 

So please show us the proof otherwise your words mean nothing just like the girl who cried wolf (for the first time).

[Jenny]

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Alom (04.08.2009)

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Jenny my dear you are really making what should have been a short and simple story in to long and unbearably exhausting, I don’t care what other people think, I don’t care how they behave, I don’t care how much knowledge they have or haven’t, all I want to know is what are the verses that contradicts what Islam is all about, which part of the Quran if any to begin with seems inaccurate to you.

So I am going to say this one last time because you are just going round and round, please provide me the evidence, show me the verses. I don’t know what group of people told you about these misconception but if you know it then please do tell because according to my vast superior knowledge I still haven’t found any, these are the words of a science researcher and not of one driven by faith.

So please show us the proof otherwise your words mean nothing just like the girl who cried wolf (for the first time).

It`s the last time I say,that scientists have found small inaccuracies in Qur`an.It`s possible for you to find them yourself,there`s a few works about it-I may even give you titles,no problem,but you will always say,that they cannot be right,so I don`t see any sense.

[Jenny]

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Qadri Jilani (03.08.2009)

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Jenny, has thetext of thebible been courrupted/altered by humans?

A piece of history:

The oldest Bible is called Codex Sinaiticus.It`s known,really exists and it`s even possible to see and read (England),so a theory,that it`s even not avaliable,is wrong.It has been found on Sinai (monastery of St.Catherine) in 1859 by protestant pastor Konstantin von Tischendorf.THE TEXT OF CODEX SINAITICUS COMPARED BY SCIENTISTS WITH THE TEXT OF THE BIBLE FROM 19-TH CENTURY REVEALED,THAT THERE`S NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM.So,a theory,that it has been corrupted,is also wrong.The Bible was too important to change something in it.In 1975 in the same place a next lost part of Codex Sinaiticus has been found.Today`s Protestant Bible is the exact translation of the Codex Sinaiticus.

[Jenny]

Brother Faraz Hassan has some doubts,if there`s in The Bible really everything I described in the topic.Please forgive me my poor English.

And let`s look at The New Book then:

10.
1 Cor.7.6 "And that what I say,is a recommendation,not an order".

11.
Luk.21,34 "Be careful,that your hearts be not ponderous because of guzzling and drunkenness"
1 Cor.5,11 "And now I wrote to you,to not associate with this one,who calls himself a brother,but he is a fornicator or covetous,or idolater,or slanderer,or drunkard,or thief,even don`t eat with him"
1 Cor.6,9-10 "Don`t delude yourself! Neither fornicators,nor idolaters,nor adulterers,nor libertines,nor thieves,nor covetous,nor drunkards,nor slanderers,nor extortioners,they will not get into a Kingdom of God"
Efes.5,18 "And don`t get drunk with a wine,which causes debauchery".

5.
Mat.26,52 "Then Jesus told him:"Hide your sword,because everyone who puts the sword out,dies from a sword".

2.
Mat.12,48 "Who is my mother and who are my brothers? These who fulfil the will of my Father,who is in heaven,is my brother and sister,and mother".
Mat.13,56-57 "Isn`t he a son of carpenter? ...Where has he this all from then? And they were shocked by him.Then Jesus said" Nowhere a prophet is deprived of his reverence,only in his own country"
Rom.1,3 "About His (God`s) Son,descendant of David under body,appointed to be Son of God under the Ghost of sainthood"
Rom.9,14 "This means,that not children of the body are children of God,but children of promise count as descendants"
J.5,19-23 "..I`m telling you:Son cannot do anything by himself,only that,what,he sees,his Father is doing....Who does not admire Son,does not admire Father,who had send a Son.
J.8,29 "And This,who sent me,is with me;He did not leave me alone,because I always do,what pleases Him".
J.6,37 "All what Father gives me,will come to me"

8.
Mat.5.20 "I`m telling you:if your fairness will not be bigger,than fairness of scholars in Writings,you will not get into the Kingdom of God".
Mat.9,16 "And nobody patches an old fabric with a patch from a new fabric,because such a patch constricts the whole fabric and a hole gets bigger.Noone pours a new wine into old vases,because then vases get broken,a wine pours out and vases get destroyed.A young wine one pours in new vases,then everything is saved".
However,Jesus confirmed 10 Orders:
Mk.10,17-22,Luk.18,1-23,Mat.19,17 "If you want to get into a life,comply orders.""You know orders:don`t kill,don`t adulter,don`t steal,don`t give a false evidence,respect your father and mother,and love your brother like you love yourself".