This is what is attributed to Shayk GF Haddad: The post is by a man named Faqir.
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As suspected the pir mufakkir e-islam is wrong.
Here is a reply from shaykh Gibril - may Allah preserve him!`Alaykum as-Salam wa rahmatullah,
The passage in Maqalat al-Islamiyyin refers to the positions of the Muslims as a
whole, including the Mu`tazila, Shi`a and Khawarij, and not just Ahl al-Sunna.
Imam al-Ash`ari states the Sunni Ijma` that Abu Bakr is the best of this Umma
after the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, in al-Ibana and in Ijma` 46 of
his Risala ila Ahl al-Thaghr, and it is his own position `aqlan as well as
confirmed by Imam Abu Mansur al-Baghdadi in the section on tafdil in his book
Usul al-Din. Imam al-Ash`ari even considered that the proof for the primacy of
Abu Bakr and `Umar, Allah be well-pleased with them, is in the Qur'an, as shown
from the conclusion of his Luma`.
As for the passage quoting Ibn `Abbas it is from Muruj al-Dhahab by al-Mas`udi,
a Shi`i Mu`tazili as Ibn Hajar described him in Lisan al-Mizan (4:225), and he
specifically lambasted that writer's position on the tafdil of Sayyidina `Ali;
on top of which this report is chainless and its Arabic is incoherent. Can you
imagine Mu`awiya repeatedly addressing Ibn `Abbas, Allah be well-pleased with
them, with the words: "Ayyuha ya Ibna `Abbas"??
Observe also how the speaker in the link provided passes quickly over the hadith
in Sahih al-Bukhari in which Ibn `Umar, radya Allahu `anhuma, states the
agreement of the Sahaba: "We used to say in the time of the Prophet, Abu Bakr,
then `Umar, then `Uthman" and instead latches on to some forgery from a Shi`i
book; how then does he expect to be taken seriously after such talbis? No wonder
he does not even mention the hadith of Sayyidina `Ali himself in Sahih
al-Bukhari, stating that when his son Muhammad b. al-Hanafiyya asked him: "Who
is the best of people after the Prophet?" he himself replied: "Abu Bakr, then
May Allah Most High show us haqq for what it is and cause us to follow it, and
show us batil for what it is and cause us to shun it.
1- Shaykh GF Haddad claims that Imam Abul Hasan Al Ash'ari in that " The passage in Maqalat al-Islamiyyin refers to the positions of the Muslims as a whole, including the Mu`tazila, Shi`a and Khawarij, and not just Ahl al-Sunna."
A-By reviewing many pages before and many pages after in the book of Imam Abul Hasan (ra), any beginnger can tell that when Al Imam mentions "Ikhtalafoo" = "they disagreed", he mostly means Ahlus Sunnah. When the Imam wants to include the Shia, or Mutazilah, he usually names them specifically, as he did in a page before page 340 when talking about the fights amongst the Sahaba (ra). In fact, in that passage Al Imam Abul Hasan, did not mention the whole Ummah, and did not indicate anything, except Ikhtalafoo= They disagreed.Here is the full passage, found on page 341 of Maqalat Al Islamiyeen: واختلفوا في التفضيل : فقال قائلون أفضل الناس بعد رسول الله صل ىالله عليه وسلم : أبو بكر ثم عمر ثم عثمان ثم علي.
وقال قائلون: أفضل الناس بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أبو بكر ثم عمر ثم علي ثم عثمان .
وقال قائلون: نقول أبو بكر ثم عمر ثم عثمان ثم نسكت بعد ذلك .
وقال قائلون : أفضل الناس بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عليٌّ ثم بعده أبو بكر."
" وقال قائلون : لا ندري أبو بكر أفضل أم علي؟ فإن كان أبوبكر أفضل فيجوز أن يكون عمر أفضل من علي!! ويجوز أن يكون عليٌّ أفضل من عمر ، وإن كان عليٌّ أفضل من عمر فهو أفضل من عثمان لأن عمر أفضل من عثمان وإن كان عمر أفضل من علي فيجوز أن يكون عليٌّ أفضل من عثمان ويجوز أن يكون عثمان أفضل من علي ، وهذا قول الجبائي
Here is verbatum what Imam Al Ash'ari said: ( you judge for yourself).
" They disagreed in the Tafdil:
Some said: the best of people after Rasoolullah- sallallahu alayhi wa sallam-: Abu Bakr, then Umar, then Uthman, then Ali.
Some said: The best of people after Rasoolullah-sallallahu alayhi wa sallam: Abu Bakr, then Umar, then Ali, then Uthman.
Some said: we say: Abu Bakr, then Umar, then Uthman, then we remain silent.
Some said: the best of people after Rasoolullah-sallallahu alayhi wa sallam,: Ali, then Abu Bakr after him.
Those who went to affirmation of the Fadl of Abu Bakr and Umar, that Abu Bakr is Afdal than Umar, and those who went to affirmation of the Fadl of Umar and Uthman, that Umar is better than Uthman.
Some said: we do not know who is Afdhal, Abu Bakr or Ali. if it is Abu Bakr, then it is possible that then Umar is better than Ali, and it is also possible that Ali is better than Umar. And if Ali is better than Umar, then he is better than Uthman, because Umar is better than Uthman. If Umar is better than Ali, then it is possible that Ali is better than Uthman, and it is possible that Uthman is better than Ali, and the latter is the saying of Al Jubba'iy". End of the entire paragraph by Imam Abul Hasan verbatum.
Notes: Al Jubba'iy is a Mutazili scholar. And Al Imam made it clear that this was his opinion, when he was talking about Ahlus Sunnah, to differentiate, when he did not mention any other sect above.
if you read the pages before, you will see clearly that Imam Abul Hasan mentions clearly when it is someone/sect other than Ahlus Sunnah, so people don't get confused.
WHERE IS THE DALEEL From Imam ABUL HASAN himself that in this paragraph he meant the whole Ummah ( Mu'tazilah, Shia, Khawrej, and Ahlus Sunnah). Besides, do we consider the Khawarej as part of the Ummah!!! and do we consider the extreme Shia's as part of the Ummah!!???????? You will find out that the Talbis was with Shaykh GF Haddad when he attributes to Imam Abul Hasan something he didn't say, nor obviously intended.
Shaykh GF Haddad claims that in the paragraph above, Imam Abul Hasan was also including the " including the Mu`tazila, Shi`a and Khawarij " .
WHERE IS THE DALEEL FOR THIS BROTHER GF HADDAD????
Can anyone please -regardless how ignorant in the islamic sects and their ideology- tell me a formal Shia group that says that Ali is better then Abu Bakr after him???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact, the 12'ers (Allah guide them) declare Abu Bakr as Kafer- Na'uzu billah. let along a muslim, let along the second in Afdaliyat after Ali. Nor do the Zaydi Shia, whe believe that After Ali is Hasan, and so on. In fact, there is no Shia school that believes in any of the four or even five branches Imam Abul Hasan mentioned about the Afdaliya. Which leads us to two things: either Imam Abul Hasan is ignorant of the Shia, Khawarej, and their differences with Ahlus Sunnah (which is next to impossible), or Mr GF Haddad is guilty of more than just plain ignorance..., Allah guide him.
The Shia's UNEQUIVICALLY favour Ali, then Imam Hasan, then Imam Husayn. Then they branch out to 12'er, Zaydi, Ismaili, Kisani, etc... all the known ones, Imam Abdul Qaher Al Baghdadi and Imam Shaharastani mentioned in their old books about the Islamic sects. None of the Shia sects favor Abu Bakr in anyway over Imam Hasan, or Imam Husayn, or even any one from Ahlul Bayt until the day of judgment, let along over Ali. In fact, the only Shia sect to even consider Sayyidina Abu Bakr as Muslim, are the Zaydi Shia.
Thats not even talking about their stand against Sayyidina Uthman (ra), as NO Shia sect even accepts him remotely, let along to consider him a righteous Khalifah, let along, as one of the best people after the prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam.
I would like to know from Shaykh GF Haddad, which of the Khawarej sects that are known to us in the old books, favour Ali even remotely. In fact, their whole off-shoot was based on their split from Ali and declaring him as Kafir. But then, you make them here agree than Ali is one of the four best people!!!!!!
As far as the Mutazilah: most of the them, went to the absolute Tafdil of Sayyidina Ali over the three, may Allah be pleased with all of them.
Anyone who reads the whole paragraph by Imam Abul Hasan (ra), and compare with the explicit daring Fatawa Shaykh GF Haddad issues again and again, will see the flawed coersion of the texts.
It is one thing to say that Ahlus Sunnah (Allah be pleased with them) settled on the opinion that Sayydina Siddiqque-Akbar (radiya Allahu anhu wa ardaah) is Afdal. This is truely the opinion of Ahlus Sunnah (may Allah be pleased with them that they settled on- because there were disagreement on this issue in every aspect of it, whether it was the sequence of Tafdil, the affirmation of the issue as Qat'i or Thanni, and the tawaqquff in it entirely. The disgareement began from the Sahaba times, till now, and the Imams of Ahlus Sunnah talked about it, and we finally came to the conclusion that the Afdaliyat is based on the Khilafa sequence.end of story.). But it is another thing to practice "intellectual terrorism", demonisation and coersion of the texts to promote your view. Let along calling names and slander to Ulama who disagree, for that then also applies to some Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt who held that view.
It is also worth mentioning, that Sayyidina Imam Abul Hasan (ra) went the absolute Afdaliya of Sayyidina Siddiqque-Akbar (ra) in a Qat'i way, as Imam Abul Hasan himself articulated.
From the above, you will see how Shaykh GF Haddad misrepresented the paragraph of Imam Abul Hasan. He has been known for firely remarks and sitorted opinions about scholars he doesn't agree with. His recent un-called for and quite honestly ugly remarks about Shaykh Dr. Muhammad Tahir Al Qadiri to some brothers in the UK were evident of that. Now Huzoor Mufakire Islam, (adding to the previous list of Ulama) just shows that if you are a scholar who disagree with Shaykh Gibril's view, then you may risk being subject to distorted information and even slander by him, may Allah forgive us and him. I know that he is a sincere person and a good guy with great intentions. But those qualities are not a license for anybody to mock, slander, or belittle other scholars, nor to present mis-representations. Especially with Ulama and the household of our Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam. May Allah preserve and guide him and us. Ya Akhi disagree, but don't mock or slander those you disagree with, don't belittle them and then disagree all you want.
As for Shaykh GF Haddad's criticism that included mockery and slander in this article that Huzoor Mufakire Islam is Mulabbis (covers the Haq with Batel), when he said: " Observe also how the speaker in the link provided passes quickly over the hadith
I will show you that the Talbis was not from Huzoor Mufakire Islam, but from Shaykh GF Haddad, may Allah preserve and guide all.