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Desert Sheikh (31.03.2009)

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Pirs Pirs Pirs! These topics make me laugh and cry at the same time :)

Hazrat, this is especially for you :)

Many Pirs claim to be the Sajjada-Nasheen of Hazrat Sultan Bahu, fight to collect funds, some of them appears with their horses in race, dogs in dog-fighting and many of their special qualities I cannot mention.

They do not do any work at or around the Darbar, Oqaf-Department did renovation and announced this year funds will go to Oqaf. A judicial magistrate was sent to collect the funds but killed by mureeds on his arrival at Darbar. One Pir sahib was accused of murder, police arrived to arrest him, Pir jee got a sudden heart attack and died at the spot. (His mureeds claim any karamt of any wali in this world has 90% contribution of this pir sahib)

Issue was not publicized because one Pir is Nazim of city Jhang, one is member of national assembly.......Istanjha kerna nien aata but they are Pirs........what a fortune

salam

r u serious?????????

 

dr aq

[kattarsunni]

Yes, i congratulate Yanabi for its impartiality. But at the same time it has, and rightly so, strict guidelines. These guidelines are the borders of sanity. If they were not there the place would be a circus. The angry Murids of Shaykhs would be at each others throats, and we'll have more web terrorism, maybe some virtual suicide bombing (bombarding someones e-mail address or hacking). But yet sanity preavails. And at the same time freedom to express oneself exists like no other Sunni site. There is no monopoly. But the already angry Murids are even more angry at this state of panacea known as Yanabi. If anyone disagrees with their Pir (intellectualy) they want the topic locked, or even better have the member banned. Not take the topic on like men. Definition of a man can be tangibly be seen in the person of Tahir Riaz for instance. Balanced, logical and intellectual (Allah save him from hasad). But i will tell those Murids why they are so angry in a nutshell and in a few points (so maybe they can keep up). Remember, Murids of false Pirs are controlled by two very powerful forces: 1. Emotion 2. Langar. But they are mainly angry at the following: 1: The Murid thinks (sub-concsiously) "I've spent all these years wasting my life. 7 years+. So therefore my Pir cannot be wrong" 2: "I've given all that money for religous causes, so how could my Pir be wrong". 3: "Nah man! My family are bayat there. My mum and dad will disown me. My wife will be displeased" 4: "The Pir can't be wrong because he blows on people and gives tawiz" 5: "He can't be wrong because he has taken out all these jinns. He also does miracles by telling us the unseen" 6: "All my friends are part of the crew. I feel comfortable with them, and i hate those other guys who think they know everything" 7: "Pir Sahib can't be wrong because he has big conferences and good biryani"  None of them will pay proper attention to any valid criticism. The cultish Pir will also have a few control tactics: 1: Character assasination of the opponent. Which the murid won't bother checking with the opponent. 2: Say the opponent has bad manners. Meaning therefore, i (the pir) have good manners. This is why the murids are condescending, and talk down to others. This is one of their hallmarks, note it! 3: Spread more rumours and stories. Again because the murid is so dum he won't check. 4: Big up himself. The Pir will make his own credentials look untouchable. Showing certificates and Ijazas. Remember the murid is too emotionally entangled to check anything. He doesn't know what Ijazas are anyhow. Neither can he check anything. He is comfortable and glum. Don't burst his bubble. His happy. Go away with your intellect as he will get angry and irrational. He may even be violent.  5: Tell half truths, as the murid won't check up the story anyhow. He will take your word for it. 6: Praise your murids in their faces. This one always works. 7: Do fiery speeches. Or even better, stay quiet all the time. And always look smart, or even better dress like a Faqir like our friend Bori Nori (remember him!). Theres more points aswell. Feel free to enrich us on this. But remember, all murids, this is your life and din. Look into matters with more depth. Like in dunya you investigate everything you should be more concerned with your din. But generally, after murids have give bayah, they are told to blindly follow their Pir. This is good if the pir is real but bad if the Pir is fake. One final point, murids of a false Pir love their Pir more than the din. Remember he is more important than anything. And for the Pir, he loves controlling the murids with their emotions more than anything. Psychological games work best for the weak minded.

[kattarsunni]

Theres only one way for dealing with false Pirs and their fanatic Murids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9kYKtvYU0

Of course this would mean sending a knowledgable Mullah with all the books and debating in front of the False Pir and his Murids.

[sen]

[quote]kattarsunni (02.04.2009)

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Theres only one way for dealing with false Pirs and their fanatic Murids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9kYKtvYU0

That isnt you is it bro ;)

[Areeb-Chishti]

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[arzooemadinah]

Desert-Sheikh, on 31 March 2009 - 09:17 AM, said:

Hazrat, this is especially for you

Many Pirs claim to be the Sajjada-Nasheen of Hazrat Sultan Bahu, fight to collect funds, some of them appears with their horses in race, dogs in dog-fighting and many of their special qualities I cannot mention.

They do not do any work at or around the Darbar, Oqaf-Department did renovation and announced this year funds will go to Oqaf. A judicial magistrate was sent to collect the funds but killed by mureeds on his arrival at Darbar. One Pir sahib was accused of murder, police arrived to arrest him, Pir jee got a sudden heart attack and died at the spot. (His mureeds claim any karamt of any wali in this world has 90% contribution of this pir sahib)

Issue was not publicized because one Pir is Nazim of city Jhang, one is member of national assembly.......Istanjha kerna nien aata but they are Pirs........what a fortune

City nazim is not a bad man people like him and he dont do bad things but the MNA does all sorts still , they changed people's power of attornies etc and taking there lands and putting on there own names , not only in jhang in all cities because they got mureeds in all departments and they rule on most cities .

Thats why them people encourage there piri mureedi and make more and more khilfas etc and gadi nasheens because they want to loot the ordinary man.