[kattarsunni]

When a man is cornered he will lash out. When a man is drowning he will even try to float with a straw. Coping with pressure is one of the trials of life.
If we are in the public arena people will observe our behaviour and conduct. If we make claims to spirituality our observance of the Sunnah will be looked at by the general public.
If someone claims he as an Alim the people of knowledge will watch his tongue.

When one is criticised, one should should be able to respond with honour and dignity. If a criticism is made on a valid basis of behaviour one should rectify ones bahaviour. If the person criticising is sincere he should be informed of his false reasoning in an honourable fashion.
If the criticism is a knowledge based criticism then the response should be made with knowledge.
If you observe any real scholar, you will note how they are able to cope with pressure.
If any Pir is not able to cope with this type of pressure he will play dirty politics and eventually do something or say something irrational. He may even look for a scapegoat, or a fall guy to blame for his problem rather than dealing with it like a man.

Women chat on the phone a lot, and so do false pirs. Phoning around to resolve their problems, or asking others to resolve those problems for them. Mentioning names of numerous people in order to see who is involved, telling one person one thing and then phoning another with another thing and creating fitna.
The most important thing for a false Pir is the politics behind a thing and not the issue. This is the main reason why they cannot deal with situations.

The Deobandis are also like this. Remember, Ashraf Ali Thanwi stayed silent on Imam Ahmad Rida's fatwa till his dying days. He was like an ostrich just burying its head in the sand. The Deobandis tried mustering support from other Ulama but Thanwi never wrote his own defence and stayed silent. This is how Pirs with mafia families deal with situations. One example is a local Deobandi Pir. He refused at one time to answer Aqida questions. But at other times he had knee caps broken with hockey sticks, or hot water thrown on people. He even had one person kidnapped.
If false Pirs had muscle they would also break a few skulls. But because they don't the only ones who resought to dirty methods are those who can. Like recently, were on Pirs
murids in Birmingham broke the nose of another Pir! The whole issue was about a gunda tax which was levied on the murids of other Pirs for using the car park. 100 pound a ticket. When the other Pir intervened, the goons broke his nose and beat him up.

These were Sunnis.
Other ways with which to cope with pressure is to blame someone else for your own inadequacies and feeling of inferiority. Oh yes! If you don't have goons (or you do but they cannot do anything) then get on the phone and phone all the Maulvis in town and make yourself look like a victim! Its the best tactic.

We ask Allah do guide these false Pirs and their clingons. If anyone thinks i'm talking of anyone specific then that is purely coincidental (or you have a guilty conscience).

For all false Pirs and their Murids i hope they can behave like men and not women. For all real Pirs and their Murids, this is not about you.

[sunnipower]

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kattarsunni (29.03.2009)

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Women chat on the phone a lot, and so do false pirs.

:D :D :D :D

[lovethe4]

well said, Kattarbhai the TURK ;)

[Areeb-Chishti]

I just heard some very very sad news.

A certain dysfunctional pir is sending goons to young students and threatening them to not expose the pir. A brother has been threatened at a University and shown this website. I mean this is pathetic, hiding behind phone lines and putting forward buttered up speakers to speak on his behalf, pretty sad...now sending goons.

ARE WE SUNNIS? IS THIS WHAT WE DO? IS THIS WHAT WE LEARN?

May Allah give us all some ikhlas and keep us with the mukhliseen! Ameen!

[Nemesis]

people do not be afraid to mention names for the benefit of the masses, a certain "Shaykh Riyadh ul Haq " who used be in imam of central mosque Birmingham is notorious for certain activities as mentioned by the brothers above, any one who crosses is path is destined for trouble, just ask the local thugs around Birmingham the picture will be all to clear.

[Areeb-Chishti]

Its not Riyadh Ul Haq we (atleast I) are referring to, but as one tyrant goes another replaces him unfortunately.

Its all the power, it goes to people's heads. Naming this guy would only give him more publicity. Just a sincere reminder to people, follow those people who follow the sunnah:

But you are right brother, these people are on a path of trouble. They should remember, that which goes up, must also come down.

[Desert-Sheikh]

Truly sad but genuine topic, I’ll add two examples.

1- A Pir sahib, champion of verbally abusing and throwing questions at others but hates to be asked or questioned. Once he was asked to provide any reference to a certain topic that he claims usually but he replied that “anyone who asks this question is Harami, he even does not know his own father”. Pir sahib lives somewhere in Uk.

2- A famous Pir/Alim sahib from Punjab, PK, inquiring others Aqeedha or any matter are his favorite hobby, he cannot live without that, accusing Sunni’s of being devbandi or wahabi is also one of his famous tactic and issuing fatwa’s of Kufr is his specialty. For example, he started at early age, when he was only 18/19 year old at that time he issued fatwa of Kufr against Ghazal-e-Zaman Shah Ahmad Saeed Kazmi sahib sahib. He recently staged a campaign against Ameer-e-Ahle Sunnat Maulana Ilyas Qadiri sahib but failed bitterly. Many scholars from indo-pak including Mufti Shamas-ul-Huda Sahib Jamia Ashrafia Mubarak-pur refuted him, one young scholar from Jamia Nizamia Rizvia Lahore published a book mentioning all the letter and discussion on this issue but this Pir’s fanatic mureed started threatening him even tried to hurt. Recently a renowned Muddaras of jamia Nizamia Rizvia Lahore Mufti **** Qadri sahib wrote a letter to him in defense of that young scholar and Maulana Ilyas Qadiri Sahib.


I can add many more events and Pirs but it will not beneficial or make any difference until we educate the Sunni public.

[Imran.]

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Desert Sheikh (30.03.2009)

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Truly sad but genuine topic, I’ll add two examples.

 

 A famous Pir/Alim sahib from Punjab, PK, inquiring others Aqeedha or any matter are his favorite hobby, he cannot live without that, accusing Sunni’s of being devbandi or wahabi is also one of his famous tactic and issuing fatwa’s of Kufr is his specialty.  For example, he started at early age, when he was only 18/19 year old at that time he issued fatwa of Kufr against Ghazal-e-Zaman Shah Ahmad Saeed Kazmi sahib sahib. He recently staged a campaign against Ameer-e-Ahle Sunnat Maulana Ilyas Qadiri sahib but failed bitterly. Many scholars from indo-pak including Mufti Shamas-ul-Huda Sahib Jamia Ashrafia Mubarak-pur refuted him, one young scholar from Jamia Nizamia Rizvia Lahore published a book mentioning all the latter and discussion on this issue but this Pir’s fanatic mureed started threatening him even tried to hurt. Recently a renowned Muddaras of jamia Nizamia Rizvia Lahore Mufti **** Qadri sahib wrote a letter to him in defense of that young scholar and Maulana Ilyas Qadiri Sahib.

 

Is this pir ji from gujranwala,yes or no?(no more questions after this)

[Imran.]

Edit: similar post

[qalam]

salam

all these pakistani ulema causing trouble in uk

dr aq

[The-Other]

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qalam (30.03.2009)

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salam

all these pakistani ulema causing trouble in uk

dr aq

al-Hamdullilah there are some very notable sub-continental Ulema who did a tremendous amount of work. They helped raise funds, start and teach in institutions accross the UK. It's just simply maybe the time when the younger generation step forward and take control, inshaa' Allaah on a non-political basis as much as possible.

[kattarsunni]

I don't know if its only Pakistani born Ulama and Pirs, but it also includes British born young Pirs who are Pakified.

[Desert-Sheikh]

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Imran. (30.03.2009)

Is this pir ji from gujranwala,yes or no?(no more questions after this)

Yes, he is from Gujranwala

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kattarsunni (31.03.2009)

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I don't know if its only Pakistani born Ulama and Pirs, but it also includes British born young Pirs who are Pakified.

Many Indians are also in this business

[Areeb-Chishti]

Its all just a power game unfortunately.

We are to be afraid of the Almighty and be submissive.
Pir claims connection to Almighty.
We must now be submissive to Pir.

This is the logic of the masses. Pirs get away with any claim these days, teach mathnawi, hold major lectures on books they haven't traditionally studied, order beating and killings. Tell them to go to brothers they suspect of insulting their pir and threaten them, start a fight with them when they see him alone. Pretty sad state of affairs.

I wonder why we don't here the same about 'Arab or other Shuyukh from around the world. It always seems to be the indopaks, wonder why?

[Quran-Reciter]

Pirs Pirs Pirs! These topics make me laugh and cry at the same time :)

 

[Imran.]

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Quran Reciter (31.03.2009)

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Pirs Pirs Pirs! These topics make me laugh and cry at the same time :)

 

Just laugh,dont waste your tears.

They might forget all about it when the next xbox game comes out.

[SAIF]

Qiyamat Ke Neshani

[Desert-Sheikh]

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Quran Reciter (31.03.2009)

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Pirs Pirs Pirs! These topics make me laugh and cry at the same time :)

Hazrat, this is especially for you :)

Many Pirs claim to be the Sajjada-Nasheen of Hazrat Sultan Bahu, fight to collect funds, some of them appears with their horses in race, dogs in dog-fighting and many of their special qualities I cannot mention.

They do not do any work at or around the Darbar, Oqaf-Department did renovation and announced this year funds will go to Oqaf. A judicial magistrate was sent to collect the funds but killed by mureeds on his arrival at Darbar. One Pir sahib was accused of murder, police arrived to arrest him, Pir jee got a sudden heart attack and died at the spot. (His mureeds claim any karamt of any wali in this world has 90% contribution of this pir sahib)

Issue was not publicized because one Pir is Nazim of city Jhang, one is member of national assembly.......Istanjha kerna nien aata but they are Pirs........what a fortune

[iaa]

While I agree with many of the previous comments regarding pirs, I don't think it is fair to say most pirs or the majority of pirs are out to make a fast buck. There are many Pirs who have come from the sub-continent and done excellent work and who have thousands of murids here and who spend a vast amount of the money they receive on causes such as running Darul Ullooms, Schools, giving to the poor, publishing Islamic books etc etc - work which we often do not see or hear about. But unfortunately as with any other area where money is involved, the cheats will always be attracted.

 

A pir with 1000 murids who each voluntarily give £10 once a year would end up with £10 000. The cheat doesn't see where this is spent (i.e on Islamic causes) but sees this as easy money and decides he too wants to become a high ranking Pir. He does this by a) attributing qualities to himself that he does not have including linking himself with miracles, b) by attacking other Pirs and Islamic Scholars and c) exaggerating the work he is doing by getting his murids engaged in Pir promotion activities.

 

The cheat does his work but the real fools are those who become his murids. When we buy something even if its worth £100 we give it so much thought. When matters relate to our material world we are ultra careful and do everything we can to ensure we don't take a wrong decision which might cost us financially. Yet in matters of religion when becoming murids we only look at appearances and don't look behind the 'Pir promotion' activities and the wild and exaggerated claims. We don't spend anytime looking at the Pir's background and why a person is regarded as a Pir and whether he is remotely qualified – and then when things go pear shaped we are the first ones to shout that all Pirs are in it for money and are fakes.

 

I’ve met so many people who are disillusioned with their Pirs and when I’ve asked why they became a murid, their answer usually is that others were doing it and they had said what a wonderful person the Pir was. By the time they find out the reality, they are a few thousand pounds down and obviously questioning what becoming a murid all is about.

[Quran-Reciter]

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Desert Sheikh (31.03.2009)


Hazrat, this is especially for you :)

Many Pirs claim to be the Sajjada-Nasheen of Hazrat Sultan Bahu, fight to collect funds, some of them appears with their horses in race, dogs in dog-fighting and many of their special qualities I cannot mention.

They do not do any work at or around the Darbar, Oqaf-Department did renovation and announced this year funds will go to Oqaf. A judicial magistrate was sent to collect the funds but killed by mureeds on his arrival at Darbar. One Pir sahib was accused of murder, police arrived to arrest him, Pir jee got a sudden heart attack and died at the spot. (His mureeds claim any karamt of any wali in this world has 90% contribution of this pir sahib)

Issue was not publicized because one Pir is Nazim of city Jhang, one is member of national assembly.......Istanjha kerna nien aata but they are Pirs........what a fortune

Lise i said this whole thing is just too messy to get your hands into.

Desert Sheikh: Yanabi.com ka undercover pir agent ;)