[islam-pe-qurban]

yeh brother think before u write.its really disrespectful that someone who is a muslim can say some thing like that about ala hazrat.it looks like u neeed to study more about sunnism rather than deobandies and wahabism.THINK!!!

[rahim_khan]

Some of the Moderators & Many Members are very much Happy with the Statements of SUNNI DAR BAR
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[rahim_khan]

Some of the Moderators & Many Members are very much Happy with the Statements of SUNNI DAR BAR

Haasideen

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[Secular-Revolution]

Rather than pass fatwas of kufr against individuals and declare them as kafir, people should try and endeavour to point our the beliefs of kufr. Once these are clear before people and they hear one utter those statements, they will automatically arrive at the conclusion that a certain individual is worth mud and should not be followed.

Otherwise there is nothing new behind the fatwa of kufr here. Ahle Sunnah Scholars of all ages and all regions have held the belief that any form of sympathy, affiliation and praise for yazeed is kufr and Zakir Naik's shameful discourse is something we all have witnessed.

[Sunni-Darbar]

From the Desk of the Most Ignorant

Kind attention: ID tasleem sabri(db), ID INTOXICATION BURN(db), ID Imran(db), ID bahar e madinah(db), ID rahim_khan(db), ID Sunni-Revolution(db) and other Yanabi Mohotarams


My dear Mohotarams(dba)! As salamu ‘alaikum

First of all I apologize to all “my dear fellows” for my late response due to my professional engagements.

I am extremely sorry if any of my comments hurt you. It is evident that many of my respected fellows have already been aggrieved with some of my comments. It also penetrates my own heart when I read my own comments. Actually these are not my “WORDS OR COMMENTS” these are the feelings of the deepest core of my heart. Please try to realize my points & theme.

About 73 Sects, as per Hadith, have been sub-divided into million of sub-fractions & the result of such sub-division is the present days’ Minus-Islam in our Society & in our every spheres of life-style. Even the two Mullah of same Maslaqe (may be Breil-vy or Deo-bandy Or Salafee) in a particular Lane or Road or Locality differs unnecessarily on many trifling issues on Shariah in order to establish own supremacy. Many times two Mullah of same Shaikh/Silsilash created intentional Ikhtelafs to keep his own interest. Declaring a Muslim as Kafir is the most dangerous gangrene for our Society. Some times an inconsiderate Mullah (not all our Scholars) tries to create some sorts of Charisma to get lime-lighted. Challenge/open challenge/Munazara/Debating has become business-based profession of some Ulema. Effect is the anti-Islamic mentality of our New Generation. Could you deny, Sirs? Illah-m’shallah there are some exceptions.

Image of Ala Hadrath Rah. is always questioned due to our activities & unnecessary Firing with Takfiri Machine Gun. Please go to past history & pay your kind attention:-
“I would like to invite your kind attention that I found alarming & fanatic information from an old document that in the year 1925 Maulana Abu Muhammad Syed Deedar Ali Shah Rah., the then Khatib of Masjid Wazir Khan & top level disciple of Ala Hadrath Rah., declared Allama Iqbal Rah. a Kafir and outside the pale of Islam. The Allama Rah. had earned the ire of the clerics because he had advised them not to interfere in the internal politics of Saudi Arabia. Maulana Suleman Nadavee Rah. declared the Fatawa an edict born out of ignorance. This only shows how such type of mullah’s mind works.” (Quoted from my booklet)
and more embarrassing information:-
“In the early eighties some of my Pakistani friends furnished information that two renowned Breil-vy Leaders in Pakistan, Allama Shah Ahmed Noorani Rah. & Allama Abdus Satter Niajee Rah., gave similar Fatawa. Both of them were banned (Pabandi) by the Saudi Government to visit the two Holy Cities(Haramyen Sharif) & they were bound to make ‘Amaal on this verse of the Holy Quran:-

“O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Masjid-ul-Haram after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.” (Al-Quran 9:28)

“Invalid declarers became invalid themselves......” Both of them were bound practiced on this verse of the Quranul Kareem! Embargo for the Jews/non-Muslims was made effective for our Leaders-shame! ‘Amaal applicable for the Jewish was done by our leaders! Was it not? Murdabad or Mubarakbad or Zindabad? Was it a curse or a blessing? I don’t need to know but Allah knows the best. Allahu ‘alamu” (Quoted from my booklet). Who are responsible for such in-appropriate, unsuitable, un-implement able, ignoramus use of Fatawas? Please avoid above narrow-mind ness & should widen our mentality. This is the need of time. Time has come.

We should accept good & avoid bad of any thing. “We throw the peel of the fruit & take the eatable portion only.” All Scholars are respectable but should not dance blindly-this is my advice to all including me. Try to apprehend my philosophy-plz!

O my Mohotaram Fellows! Please come forward & step a little ahead for the unity of Ummah. Please remember me in your Duas

ALLAHUMA SALLEHALA MUHAMMADUN NABIUUL UMMI WALAALEHE WASALLIM TASLIMAN KACHIRA
ALLAHUMA SALLEHALA MUHAMMADUN NABIUUL UMMI WALAALEHE WASALLIM TASLIMAN KACHIRA
ALLAHUMA SALLEHALA MUHAMMADUN NABIUUL UMMI WALAALEHE WASALLIM TASLIMAN KACHIRA

May Allah shower HIS blessings on the Whole Ummah. Ameen! Summa Ameen!!


Ma-as salam

Md. Sayedur Rahman(Afi anhu)
Sunni Darbar
Dhaka, Bangladesh.
www.ict-adda.com
E-mail:sunni_darbar@yahoo.com

[Sunni-Darbar]

Clarification
“In the early eighties some of my Pakistani friends furnished information that two renowned Breil-vy Leaders in Pakistan, Allama Shah Ahmed Noorani Rah. & Allama Abdus Satter Niajee Rah., gave similar Fatawa. Both of them were banned (Pabandi) by the Saudi Government to visit the two Holy Cities(Haramyen Sharif) & they were bound to make ‘Amaal on this verse of the Holy Quran:- It was the issue of permissibility to pray the behind the Imams of Haramyen Shareef . Both our Scholars considered the Imams as Gusthake Rasool SAW & deviants........superlative degreee-praying behind them were not permissible according to above Scholars. For Allah's sake plz stop it

With Salam & Best Regds--Sayed

[csmaliakbar]

Sunni Darbar,

As you have not apologised for your remark on ala hazrat, its understandable that you are in the clutches of ego "nafs". Also you think your knowledge to be so great and are not able to see the big picture.

Mind your language while refering to esteemed personalities. Also refer only things complying to Quran and hadith, dont let your imagination at work. If its mentioned in hadith 73 sects, its 73 donot invent further.

Admins,

Please remove the un-savoury comments and un-wanted links from this thread.

Thanks.

[momo_t]

Zakir has been labled "dodgey" for a long time now, is this the first time somine has given a fatwa of kufr?

[SHABAN]

Assalam u Alaikum

i agree Jazakh Allahkher.

[imamuna]

It's about time the child(follower) of Dul Khwaisra at Tamimi Najdi got exposed for the imposter he is. I've watched some of his videos on youtube he denies permisiblity of Waseela, he denies the Prophets(peace be upon them) are alive, Yazid was righteous according to him, Imam Hussain was a politician.

His analogy of Quran al Kareem is lawed he ignores the tafseer of the giants who have proceeded us. Some of his statements make the Quran seem contradictive. He praises hiself in a few of his videos. He claims authority over the Imams of the Mazhabs even deviously quoting there fatwas to further his own ideas. He ignores the manifest truth and opts for falsehood which is based upon his confused logic.

His source of Hadith is Naseerudin Albani who he quoted when trying to degrade Imam Malik's fatwa on where to tie hands during Salaah, he even tried to degrade Imam Abu Hanifa's through sly manouevering. A brother absolutely destroyed his argument even turning the Daif hadith into a sound 1 with aplied logic and order of events but the video poster deleted all the comments.

Anyway Albani is the loser who has implied Kufr against Imam Bukhari. Albani is a Salafi hero that ignored sound hadith just because they disagreed with his Aqeeda.

Brother Sunni Revolution is right however the scholars should actally prepare a sound case then reveal his statements of kufr and utterly refute him. That will give the ignorant followers of his something to think about. I've seen people who actually say zakir said this, zakir said that and then they assume it to be the ultimate truth. Some people are just brainwashed.

What really gets on my nerves is when someone says "Zakir has brought so many people to Islam." I always reply"What good is it if its the wrong Islam." Others say look at how much knowledge he has." I always reply"The shaitan had knowledge too what good is knowledge without wisdom."

I even see people who try to immitate his way of talking that really gets up my nose. Then I end up immitating the loser and mocking them which makes me feel bad because i know they get hurt. These people nowadays have lost there sense of identity there no better than monkeys.

May Allah protect us from Zakir Nalaik and his likes and help all of us muslim and kafir alike find the true light of Islam. May Allah save us from becoming imitators and make us true to our selves. Ameen

[Imran.]

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What really gets on my nerves is when someone says "Zakir has brought so many people to Islam." I always reply"What good is it if its the wrong Islam."

I agree with everything else you have written about this guy,but the above is a totally flawed mindset which befalls certain sunnis of today, sadly.

If some hindu,christian,jew sikh,buddhist, Atheist etc comes into islam and accepts the fundementals of islam /belief he is infinately better than any non muslim.

A muslim is a muslim,if he falls short in aqeeda then its for us to work on him as we become his "family" for which he or she has left almost everything,this is a massive sacrifice and should not be brushed aside by being labelled "wrong islam".

To them islam is what has been put in front of them and which they accepted over all other beliefs.

I have no time non sunni scholars who work to destroy sunni islam,but i am simply overawed(brings tears to the eyes) when i see non muslims coming into islam regardless of who helps bring them in.

A question i always ask "where are sunni scholars doing this obligatory dawa"?.

Amongst both sunni and deo we have groups that invite other already muslims,but which of them really practice the real dawa(on such a large scale as the wahaabi,salafi/Ahle Hadith etc groups) by inviting non muslim/non believers(as this is what he Prophets(Alaihim Assalaam) were sent to do and laid emphasis on in particularly)?

[imamuna]

You are right brother I do apologise for that remark. But how do you preach to those who start shouting, shirk, bidda or I dont accept that no matter how much proof or how much logic you present to them. Once they start shouting Shirk against muslims without understanding its true understanding of what shirk really is. To them however it seems noble but these kinds of acts create animosity and divisions. But who am I to judge Allah is the supreme judge. Any islam is better than no Islam .

Our scholars well they are just sitting around wahabi bashing etc. They really need to work on spreading Islam. They should train specialist scholars in different fields and give dawa on tv etc. I was happy when I first saw noor tv but now I still dont see english programs i get real ticked of when they go on the naat vibes when time can be better spent on educating programs.

Jazakallah khayr brother thanks for pointing out my mistake.

[YaNabi-Chemist]

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 But how do you preach to those who start shouting, shirk, bidda or I dont accept that no matter how much proof or how much logic you present to them.

It is the devil himself who encourages you to fight and argue with these people.

Such encounters are inevitably counterproductive, and serve Dajjal himself who is on his way.

People only gain guidance if they want it, and it is not achieved by forcing rhetoric into their throats and then by boasting that you have overwhelmed them with evidence upon evidence. People are only guided if their heart seeks it, and they must come to truth themselves. Just like you go to water, and water does not come to you if you are thirsty.

What we need to do is live our lives to the best of our abilities, and we need to improve ourselves before we even dare telling others what is right and what is wrong. This is the best form of dawah, and when they begin to see our fruits with their own eyes, they will naturally come to correct guidance. Unfortunately, the fruits the sunnis bare are rotten and wreak of discord. We even fight amongst ourselves  - people literally hate others who do not follow their peer.

Why the hell should a wahabi or even a non muslim for that matter - come to us knowing this?

To conclude - the best dawah is your actions, your very nature, and not baseless, meaningless, and ultimately pathetic rhetoric coming from our mouths.

They (dajjalic forces) rule us by “divide and conquer”. We are now so repugnantly divided that when a shiah speaks out against oppression in gaza some people cant resist and say “yeh – but he is shiah considered non-muslim”.

A very sad state of affairs.

[A-Daleel]

he holds the deobandi aqeeda

[asad_akhtar]

This is getting really stupid now. I sometimes wounder if these people are sunnis themselves or not. They look more like takfiris to me.

[care1]

Hold on brothers. Look out for instances like this when strong Mulsim media figures representing Islam influentially are tried for scrutiny, doubt, and falsification of their aims just to weaken their overall mission to spread Islam and inspire others to follow the same path.

[TASLEEM-O-RAZA]

Salamun Alaikum!

Yaar how can we get rid of these wolves like "Dr.nike" in sheep's disguise. i say brothers just keep following your elders and aima e ahl e sunnat like Huzoor Ghaus Pak (RA), Aaima Mujtahideen. They realy are the "siraat al mustaqeem" and reject anyone who present his views against them. this really the era of great fitna. Every body is in a great confussion. With all the reasons present to confuse Allhamdo Lillah we r not confused about our Mashaaikh. Just hold their Path firmly and donot go after the Shaitaans having no qualification but are just promoted by media.

This is just a request! and maybe the only path of success in this era of Darkness.

[TASLEEM-O-RAZA]

I have heard Ulema that Imam Muslim (RA) has stated in the muqadima of Sahih Muslim Sharif that "LO LAL ISNADO LA QALA MAN SHAA'A MA SHAA'A" i-e if there were no SANAD people would have said whatever they desire to. Similar is the case with these media promoted Dajjaals. They have no SANAD but interprets Quraan and Ahadees e mubarka according to their will and not as Jamhoor e Omah has understood and agreed upon that particular view of the SALAF (Radi allaho anhum ajmaeen). The point is just Stand firm on the Aqaaid of Jamhoor and reject the selfcentered views of media promoted Dajjals!

Wassalam!

[a2ssm]

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TASLEEM O RAZA (19.03.2009)

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Salamun Alaikum!

Yaar how can we get rid of these wolves like "Dr.nike" in sheep's disguise. i say brothers just keep following your elders and aima e ahl e sunnat like Huzoor Ghaus Pak (RA), Aaima Mujtahideen. They realy are the "siraat al mustaqeem" and reject anyone who present his views against them. this really the era of great fitna. Every body is in a great confussion. With all the reasons present to confuse Allhamdo Lillah we r not confused about our Mashaaikh. Just hold their Path firmly and donot go after the Shaitaans having no qualification but are just promoted by media.

This is just a request! and maybe the only path of success in this era of Darkness.

Do you want to follow the Truth or what most of the people or your forefathers follow?

Quran 6:116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

Quran 2:170 And if they are told: "Follow what God has sent down," they say: "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?

[Asiddd]

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a2ssm (11.09.2009)

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TASLEEM O RAZA (19.03.2009)

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Salamun Alaikum!

Yaar how can we get rid of these wolves like "Dr.nike" in sheep's disguise. i say brothers just keep following your elders and aima e ahl e sunnat like Huzoor Ghaus Pak (RA), Aaima Mujtahideen. They realy are the "siraat al mustaqeem" and reject anyone who present his views against them. this really the era of great fitna. Every body is in a great confussion. With all the reasons present to confuse Allhamdo Lillah we r not confused about our Mashaaikh. Just hold their Path firmly and donot go after the Shaitaans having no qualification but are just promoted by media.

This is just a request! and maybe the only path of success in this era of Darkness.

Do you want to follow the Truth or what most of the people or your forefathers follow?

Quran 6:116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

Quran 2:170 And if they are told: "Follow what God has sent down," they say: "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?

 

So your saying that all the great muslims who were our forefathers are wrong and zakir naik is right?