[asadakhtar]

As salam alikum,
As you know there are 2 times for asar. are hanafis allowed to pray at the shafi time?

lets say the hanafi hasnt offered his zuhr yet and the shafi asar time has kicked in. does the hanafi have to offer zuhr as qaza or read it in full? please let me know soon as my prayers are being affected by this jazakallah.

ASAD AKHTAR

[MMM]

Wa 'Alaykum Assalaam dear brother,

A follower of a Madhab should follow his Imam. There is a consensus of the scholars upon this.

A Hanafi's Zuhr doesnot becomes Qadha if the time for 'Asr according to the Shafi'i Madhab has started.

According to the Shafi'i Madhab, 'Asr starts when the shadow of a stick equals its size and according to the Hanafi Madhab, 'Asr starts when the size of a stick's shadow equals three times to its original size, which is obviously considerably later than the Shafi'i 'Asr time.

Therefore, you should keep a Hanafi prayer timetable with you and abide to it Insha Allah.

I request my knowledgeable brothers and sisters to correct me if required.

Jazak Allah

[Ahle-Sunnah-Uprising]

Assalamo Alaikum,

Sorry about the rude interuption but my ever ageing braincell somehow recalls That Asr for the Shafi'i Madhab is 1 and a half shadow lengths and for the Hanafi Madhab is twice the length. Maybe brother Mubasher you are correct and its just memory blank on my behalf, can someone please verify?

Also brother asad, if we start mixing and matching the rulings on fiqh then we wont be any different to the salafis whom find the easiest ways out by choosing anything that suits them and reject the whole concept of taqleed. So no it is not permissible to start playing around with namaz times as these times are prescribed and we should stick to what we are and have been following no matter what madhab you are.

[Qadri-Jilani]

Well pretty much. The Hanafi time for 'asr is the saya asali (original shadow of a person or anything) PLUS the doubling of that original shadow:
 
idha saara zillu kulli shay'in mithlay hi siwa fay' iz-zawal

A practical demonstration would be to draw a circle around your original shadow (at the time of zawal), making note of the central point where you were standing. The shadow will then begin to increase outside this line with time and when it has multiplied by two (not including the shadow inside the line/saya asali), then it is the time for 'asr in the Hanafi madhab. This is precisley when the time for zuhr ends for us (not with one extra shadow or the shadow doubling like the other madhahib) and when 'asr begins. So there is no question of it being qada before this time.

I didn't post earlier as I was hoping that someone would provide a link from an exisitng thread as we have discussed this before.

ma'as-salama

[Ahle-Sunnah-Uprising]

JazakAllah khair QJ jee, Sorry about the ignorance, things are alot clearer now.

[Madad-Ya-Rasulullah-saw]

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

The Shaafi'i time for Salaatul 'Asr is what my Beloved Brother MMM said, that is starts when the shadow is equal to it's size.

[DrTous]

Originally posted by: Muhammad Mobasher Muhammadi
Therefore, you should keep a Hanafi prayer timetable with you and abide to it Insha Allah.



thank u brother, but can we read asar namaz in a mosque which follow shafi or maliki or hanbali timetable?
and can we read namaz behind a shafii?and can they read namaz behind hanafi?
and what about witar namaz because shafi and hanbali and maliki read 1 vitar, can we hanafi read vitar behind them, i mean in ramazan?plz explain

[Madad-Ya-Rasulullah-saw]

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Shaafi'i can read 'Asr behind Hanafi's because it's already 'Asr time for Shaafi'is . Hanafi's could take dispensation in the Shaafi'i, Maaliki or Hanbali School and Pray behind them if the Jama'ah starts before the 'Asr Hanafi time does. I'm guessing that what Hanafi's do when they go to Hajj since wobblies also Pray 'Asr at the same time as us.

Shaafi'is can read 1 Witr and as far as i know so can the Hanbali's. I don't know what a Hanafi would do in that situation apart from they could take dispensation since it is Sunnah for us not Waajib.

Walhamdulillahi Rabbil 'alameen.

[MMM]

Sister Sadia Akhter, firstly remember that you should conform to the rulings of your Madhab.

but can we read asar namaz in a mosque which follow shafi or maliki or hanbali timetable?

Yes, you can read Salah in their Mosque, individually and with congregation if the time of 'Asr according to your Madhab has started.

and can we read namaz behind a shafii?and can they read namaz after hanafi?

Yes.

and what about witar namaz because shafi and hanbali and maliki read 1 vitar, can we hanafi read vitar behind them, i mean in ramazan?plz explain

I am unaware of the ruling pertaining your query. Insha Allah, a knowledgeable brother and sister will answer.

Witr is Waajib for a Hanafi.

Jazak Allah

[DrTous]

thank u both of u brothers,i just want to know becuase my father he go to a mosque which follow hanafi but they have timetable of shafii, and my father read asar namaz behind them everyday and when he come back from mosque we woman at home still wait asar namaz time. is he right?can he do that because he is hanafi?plz explain

[fayaz-halai]

The proper time for Asr is from the time the shadow of a body becomes twice its height(For example,the shadow of anything was four inches at the noon,and the thing itself is eight inches,when the shadow of that thing becomes twenty inches in total the time for Zuhr salaat expires and Asr starts)) until the sunset.

[Madad-Ya-Rasulullah-saw]

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Originally posted by: Fayaz Halai The proper time for Asr is from the time the shadow of a body becomes twice its height(For example,the shadow of anything was four inches at the noon,and the thing itself is eight inches,when the shadow of that thing becomes twenty inches in total the time for Zuhr salaat expires and Asr starts)) until the sunset.

Proper time for the Hanafi's .

Originally posted by: sadia akhter thank u both of u brothers,i just want to know becuase my father he go to a mosque which follow hanafi but they have timetable of shafii, and my father read asar namaz behind them everyday and when he come back from mosque we woman at home still wait asar namaz time. is he right?can he do that because he is hanafi?plz explain

I don't see why He should miss out on the reward of Praying in Jama'ah. He can take dispensation in the Shaafi'i Madhab inshaaAllah.

[DrTous]

thnak u brother, and what about witar namaz because shafi and hanbali and maliki read 1 vitar like in haram shareef, can we hanafi read vitar behind them, i mean in ramazan?plz explain

[Madad-Ya-Rasulullah-saw]

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Take dispensation again because He is not doing it for the sake of His nafs but for the sake of Allah 'azza wa jal by reading in Jama'ah. We Shaafi'is usually split Witr so that is is to 2 and then 1 but sometimes we read it as just 3 Rak'ah. Here is an answer from Sheikh Faraz Rabbani haafidhahullah on the issue aswell,

"It is permitted for Hanafis to pray witr behind Shafiis even if they pray it differently from the Hanafi three rakats--such as two-plus-one. This is based on a followable position within the Hanafi school that what matters is the imam's prayer regarding the validity of his prayer."

[MMM]

Jazak Allah brother Mansur Alam

[DrTous]

thank u both of you

[asadakhtar]

Thankyou! Jazakallah everyone who has replied it's been very helpful!

ASAD AKHTAR

[fayaz-halai]

Originally posted by: Mansur Alam

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,


Take dispensation again because He is not doing it for the sake of His nafs but for the sake of Allah 'azza wa jal by reading in Jama'ah. We Shaafi'is usually split Witr so that is is to 2 and then 1 but sometimes we read it as just 3 Rak'ah. Here is an answer from Sheikh Faraz Rabbani haafidhahullah on the issue aswell,


"It is permitted for Hanafis to pray witr behind Shafiis even if they pray it differently from the Hanafi three rakats--such as two-plus-one. This is based on a followable position within the Hanafi school that what matters is the imam's prayer regarding the validity of his prayer."

Got to learn something new from you brother.JazaakAllah

Well regarding Asr namaaz then a Hanafi can pray behind a Shafi only if it is the time for Asr for Hanafis as well.If the time for Asr has not started then a Hanafi cannot pray behind a Shafi.His namaaz will be invalid.He will have to pray when the time according to Hanafi starts.

One more point to be noted that the Masah in Wudu done by Shafi Imaaam should be according to Hanafi way otherwise the namaaz is not valid.We have a Shafi Imaam in masjid of Mahim Darga and he always does Masah like Hanafis because he knows that many Hanafis prays behind him coz there is majority of Hanafis over there.

[DrTous]

hmmmm,now i am confuse, who is right,brother
mansur alom or fayaz halai.

[fayaz-halai]

Sister regarding what you are confused??