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Madhab of Al-Imam Zayd bin 'Ali ('alayhis salam)

Posted 21 March 2007 - 07:59 PM (#1) User is offline   Mystic 

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MADHAB OF IMAM ZAID



Imam Zaid bin Ali (80 AH - 122 AH) was born in Medinah. His father Ali, son of Al-Hussein bin Ali bin Abi Talib the fourth Khaleefah, was one of the few descendants of Hussein that were spared at Karbalah. Imam Zaid's father was highly respected and highly educated, and rejected the extremism of those who claimed themselves to be Shi'ah.



It was in this environment that Imam Zaid was born. His father died when he was 14 years old and his elder brother Muhammed al-Baaqir took care of him. His early education was taken from his elder brother Muhammed al-Baaqir, who was considered at that time as a great scholar. He also studied with another great scholar, Abdullah bin Hasan bin Ali. Both Al Baaqir and Abdullah bin Hasan were teachers of many great scholars and Imams like Abu Hanifah and Imam Malik, who took Hadith from them. Zaid also studied under other Tabi'een who were residing in Medinah.



Later on Imam Zaid moved to Basrah where he met Waasil bin Ataa, the founder of the Mu'tazilahs. He kept moving between Iraq and Hijaz seeking knowledge. Abu Hanifah once said about Imam Zaid, "I met with Zaid and I never saw in his generation a person more knowledgeable, as quick a thinker, or more eloquent than him. He was in a class by himself."



Imam Zaid had differences with Khaleefah Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik, and even rebelled against him. He went to Kufah where he was joined by Shi'ah or Iraq. 15,000 people gave him the Bay'ah in a Masjid, but only about 400 of them stood with him when he faced the army of the Khaleefah. Imam Zaid felt that a military confrontation was the best way to deal with Khaleefah, and felt let down after he was abandoned by his so-called supporters in the same way that his grandfather Hussein was abandoned by his supporters.



Even though both Imam Hussein and Imam Zaid utilised military confrontation to correct the situation in the Islamic State at that time, it seems that what was needed to be established was a group that would work in the Ummah to educate it and serve as a safeguard for the Ummah, instead of rebelling against the Khaleefah without this preparation, which did not at all solve the problem but rather made matters more complicated.



The stand by Imam Zaid and his few supporters against the army of the Khaleefah ended with his death. He was heard saying: "I am worried that I will be let down just like my grandfather Al Hussein was let down," and in fact this was true.



Although he viewed Ali (RA) as deserving of the Khilafah, he also recognised the Khilafah of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman (RA). He also believed that the Khulafaa did not have to be predetermined by the texts, but that it was enough to be from Banu Hashim, and that the Khaleefah was not infallible. He did not document his Madhab, rather it was done afterwards.



His Fiqh was documented in Al Majmu', which was documented by his student Abu Khalid Amr ibn Khalid Waasifi. The Grand Majmu' or Al-Majmu' Al-Akbar is made up of two sections, Majmu' Al-Hadith and Majmu' Al-Fiqh.



After Imam Zaid's death, many students from his Madhab emerged, especially in Yemen. The most interesting thing about this Madhab is that they never closed the door of Ijtihad. This Madhab is very close to that of Abu Hanifah's in the areas of Mu'amalaat or transactions. Nowadays this Madhab is said to be the closest to the four popular Madhabs of Abu Hanifah, Malik, Shafii and Hanbal.



Imam Abu Zahrah, in his book History of the Islamic Schools of Thought (Taareekhul Madhabil Islamiyyah), said that there are two Zaidi Madhabs, the one before his death and the one that emerged after his death.



After the problems which occurred with the Khaleefah Al Mansoor, the Zaidi Madhab became weak and other Shi'ah Imams started to influence it. Some of these Imams did not approve of the Khilafah of Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) and so there is an appearance that this was an inherent part of the Madhab. However, presently the Zaidis have gone back to Imam Zaid's adoptions. Two of these scholars who followed the early Madhab of Imam Zaid are Imam Shawkanee and Imam Muhammed bin Isma'eel As-Sana'anee



IMAM SHAWKANEE



One of the most famous scholars of the Madhab of Imam Zaid is Imam Shawkanee. Imam Shawkanee died in 1250 AH in Yemen. His writings show that he was against Taqleed. They also show that he treated all Madhabs equally, including the Zaidis, and in the issues of the Aqeedah he did not go against that of the Salaf at all. Imam Shawkanee's books include Nayl Awtaar, in Hadith and Fat-hul-Qadeer, in Tafseer.



IMAM MUHAMMED BIN ISMA'EEL AS-SANA'ANEE



Imam Muhammed bin Isma'eel as-Sana'anee (1059 AH - 1182 AH) was born in Yemen and moved to Mecca, where he developed to be an extremely capable Mujtahid. He rejected the Taqleed, and was severely challenged by those who refused the concept of Ijtihad; however, he held his ground and never paid attention to his objectors. One of his many books is Subul-us-Salaam, in Hadith.



Both Subul-us-Salaam and Nayl Awtaar are considered presently to be extremely essential for their contributions in the area of Fiqh and Hadith.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:35 PM (#2) User is offline   hanafi_student 

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The Zaydi Math'hab is the closest along with the true Sunni's to the Math'hab of Ahlul Bayt, alayhem assalam.
It was initiated, maintained, and until now all its pillars have been the Ulema of Ahlul Bayt throughout history. The Zaydi's are the true Shi'is and they are the closest Islamic sect to Ahlus Sunnah.
This is in contrast with the 12'er Shia whose Math'hab was largely put by non-Ahlul Bayt such as Al-Kulayni, Al-Majlisi, etc.. ( the four books).

The differences between the Zaydi's and Ahlus Sunnah are minor.
They glorify Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Shafi'i, and are strict adherers to the ways of Ahlus Bayt.



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Posted 21 March 2007 - 10:44 PM (#3) User is offline   Yaseen-Dziaee 

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Originally posted by: Abdul Karim Qadiri The differences between the Zaydi's and Ahlus Sunnah are minor.

Assalamualaykm

Dear Brother Abdul Karim could you kindly list these minor differences ?


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Posted 23 March 2007 - 05:18 AM (#4) User is offline   Mystic 

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Salaam Brother Yaseen
The difference between Zaidis and Ahle Sunnah are as follows.
The Zaidis are Mutazillah in theology.
The Ahle Sunnah are either Aashrii or Maturidi in theology.

In terms of the Ahlul Bayt the Zaidis just like the Ahle Sunnah wal jamaat believe that all the descendants of Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as) are Ahlul bayt (as). However, another difference between them and Ahle Sunnah lies in the concept of Imamath. The Zaidis after Imam Zain Ul Abideen (as) only accept those Ahlul Bayt (as) members who struggled with the phsycial sword (ie Imam Zaid (as), Imam Nafs az Zakiyah (as), Imam Ibraheem bin Abdullah (as) to be Imams. The Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat accept the Zaidi Imams are guides but we also accepts other members of the household to be imams as well. Imam Muhammad al Baqir (as), Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as), Imam Musa Al Kazim (as), Imam Ali Al Rida (as) are accepted to be imams in Ahle Sunnah aqeeda as well. They are instead seen to be the spiritual swords against the Ummavis and Abbasids tyrants. Therefore, both spiritual and physical sword are found in the concept of Ahle Sunnah's Imamath.



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Posted 23 March 2007 - 06:05 AM (#5) User is offline   hanafi_student 

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Brother Yaseen,

The Zaydi Shia's are not exactly Mu'tazili's, they are close to them, but not them. There are a few issues between both. But differ from us in that they are not Maturidi's nor Ash'aris.
examples of Issues of difference:
-While they believe that the Khilafah of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman is valid, they believe it shouldn't have happened, and the priority should have been given to Ali.
- But to their credit vs. the 12'ers, they do not believe that there was an explicit order from Allah or the Nabi, sallallahu alahyi wa aalihi wa sallam, appointing Ali as the Khalifah. They said, Ali was better than all, hence, he should have been, but the others did well.

- They criticize Sayyidina Uthman about the latter part of his khilafah, etc..
- like all other Shia sects, they believe that Muaw'iyah, Yazid, Marwan, etc.. were all Kuffar. This is against our belief as Sunni's.
- They believe the Imams are not ending, they are not 12, they have endless numbers.
- Most of their fiqh is between the Hanafi and Shafi'i Fiqh, thought it is all from Ahlus Bayt, yet it coincides with both these schools in most issues.
- They do not believe that Imams are infallable.
- They do not believe in Mutah.
- They do not believe in Taqqayyah.
- They pray behind us, and in Yemen, Sunni's pray behind them. You cannot tell in Yemen whether this Masjid is Sunni or zaydi's, people are all mixed in all places.
- They do not pray on the sand from Karbala.
- With the exception of Muawiyah, Amru bin Al-Aas, Al-Mugirah bin Shu'bah, Samurah bin Jindub, they respect and love all the Sahaba's in general. Vs. the 12'ers say only a handful of Sahaba we ok, and the rest rejected Islam.!!


There are many other points, but thats what comes to my mind now

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 03:01 PM (#6) User is offline   Mystic 

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The Zaidi beleifs are bit too close. I would not want to get into a debate with them.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 04:27 PM (#7) User is offline   hanafi_student 

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Brother Amjad,
you are right. Its way too close to us in most aspects. We do not have the same weapons against them like we do against the deviance of the 12'ers shia sect.
And since they respect Abu Bakr and Umar, radiya'Allahu anhu, ( even if they believe they were not supposed to be, and were sinful because of that), I think it is a big difference compared to the 12'ers who declare them non-Muslims, and who allow Taqiyyah, which makes you confused cuz you don't know what percentage of truth they are saying, etc..

Besides, in Yaman, they lived along our sides and they never raised issues, etc..

Hence, most Sunni scholars in the early days, called them the closest to Ahlus Sunnah.

Remember, that Imam Zayd (as) is the one who called the 12'ers Shia "Rafidhi's" or rejectors. Because they came to him and asked him to denouce Abu Bakr and Umar (ra), he refused. They said if you refuse we will reject you and not support you. He said: you are the Rejectors (rafidah). Then he went and fought without them with a few people, untill the Umawi's killed him and his gourp, may Allah's blessings be upon him.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 05:04 AM (#8) User is offline   objective-enquirer 

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Originally posted by: Amjad Qureshi

Salaam Brother YaseenThe difference between Zaidis and Ahle Sunnah are as follows.The Zaidis are Mutazillah in theology.The Ahle Sunnah are either Aashrii or Maturidi in theology.In terms of the Ahlul Bayt the Zaidis just like the Ahle Sunnah wal jamaat believe that all the descendants of Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as) are Ahlul bayt (as). However, another difference between them and Ahle Sunnah lies in the concept of Imamath. The Zaidis after Imam Zain Ul Abideen (as) only accept those Ahlul Bayt (as) members who struggled with the phsycial sword (ie Imam Zaid (as), Imam Nafs az Zakiyah (as), Imam Ibraheem bin Abdullah (as) to be Imams. The Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat accept the Zaidi Imams are guides but we also accepts other members of the household to be imams as well. Imam Muhammad al Baqir (as), Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as), Imam Musa Al Kazim (as), Imam Ali Al Rida (as) are accepted to be imams in Ahle Sunnah aqeeda as well. They are instead seen to be the spiritual swords against the Ummavis and Abbasids tyrants. Therefore, both spiritual and physical sword are found in the concept of Ahle Sunnah's Imamath.please provide proof for your statements according to ahle sunna? where is this concept of Imamah in Qoran or Sunnah??


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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:42 AM (#9) User is offline   Mystic 

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Brother OE
what does following Quran and Ahlul Bayt mean ? It means follow the knowledgeable members of Ahlul Bayt (as). They have great knowledge so they are imams. There is the concept of Imamah in Ahle Sunnah.
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where does it say you should follow Qoran and ahley bayt?? what kind of imamate is it? Abu Hanifa® etc were mojtahid Imams so what kind of Imams do you consider ahley bayt but this comes after the first question.


please get back with evidence and not do what you did with '12 Rulers' thread!!

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 04:24 AM (#11) User is offline   hanafi_student 

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Salam bro,
The Imams according to all Shia sects must be from the tribe of Quraysh, due to the hadith in Bukhari sayings: Imams are from Quraysh.
By Imams they mean the Khalifah, not simply a Mujtahed Imam. Hence, Mujtahed Imams can be anybody who reaches that level.

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 02:12 PM (#12) User is offline   Hayder 

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Ahlul-bayt are all the descendants of Imam Hasan and Hussain??

So Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Khomeini, Ayatullah Sistani and all living syeds includings many friends are part of the ahlul-bayt??

This brother is in contrast with what the hadeeths in Bukhari and Muslim report and make little sense in light of the Quran.

Indeed Allah has not purified every descendant of Prophet Muhammed (saaw) with a thorough purifying!
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 03:41 PM (#13) User is offline   shahzaads786 

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Salaams,

The Verse of Purification is in reference to "Panjatan Paak" or the
"Purified Five" members of Ahlul Bayt who were 'Protected' from sin, only Beloved Habib (Sallallahu Alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam) was 'Infallible' from sin amongst the five.

So if we take descendents of today to be Ahlul Bayt (alayhis salaam), it will not contrdict the Quraan because the Verse was referring to Them (Alayhis Salaam) and not necessarily every descendent till today and some of them act against Shariah but are Sayyids.

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Originally posted by: Hayder Ali

Ahlul-bayt are all the descendants of Imam Hasan and Hussain??

So Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Khomeini, Ayatullah Sistani and all living syeds includings many friends are part of the ahlul-bayt??
If they are true syeds they are part of the ahlul bayt (as). however it does not mean that they are purified. Purification is dependent on faith and sharia.


This brother is in contrast with what the hadeeths in Bukhari and Muslim report and make little sense in light of the Quran.
Let me guess you finally got access to the quran which is with your 12th imam ? Where does the quran say that only 12 members are part of the household ? bring me hadith from your own books like al kafi where it defines the ahlul bayt (as).


Indeed Allah has not purified every descendant of Prophet Muhammed (saaw) with a thorough purifying!
Only the ones that have been on the straight path are purfied.


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Posted 01 April 2007 - 08:28 PM (#15) User is offline   Mystic 

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Since this topic is about Imam Zaid Ash-Shaheed (as) i have to conclude that this Imam Zaid (as) was among the purified. Of course the highest degree of purification is with the purified five. Then the other members are purified at a high degree but not to the same degree, which is the highest degree.
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 09:08 PM (#16) User is offline   hanafi_student 

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Excellent answers brother Amjad.
Besides, I have no idea who told the 12'ers that Ahlus Sunnah view every Hadith written in Bukhari and Muslim as infallible!!!

We would like the 12'er Shia sect to substantiate authentic evidence from Ahlus Sunnah, Zaydiyyah, Mu'tazilah, Khawarej, and other Muslim sects that there are only 12 imams, and where their names are??

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 10:30 PM (#17) User is offline   Hayder 

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Abdul Karim Qadiri

1) "Sahih" Bukhari and Muslim are not regarded as infallible and nobody said they were - in fact they are far from it. But you still regard them as Sahih they are two books amongst the Six Sahih books of the Ahl-Sunnah.

2) With regards to the 12 Imams issue - we asserted in previous threads that the Prophet has 12 successors. I have found two sunni books which record the hadeeths of the 12 imams with their names and mentioned this is a previous thread - however i do not have access to them and some of the people on this forum didn't regard the 2nd book, Ya Nabi Muwaddah as an authentic source.

Obviously - sunni authors would, without consideration reject the hadeeths because those that did accept it became Shia so naturally few hadeeths are found.


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Obviously - sunni authors would, without consideration reject the hadeeths because those that did accept it became Shia so naturally few hadeeths are found.



I think you completely ignored the post brother Abdul karim qadiri posted. If sunni accept these hadith they would become shia ? That is incorrect. There are many shia sects and those other shia sects there is no mention of this 12 imams. As for the 12 successors the hadith says clearly that they will be rulers of the ummah.
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Posted 06 April 2007 - 09:07 PM (#19) User is offline   Husain-Al-Sadiq 

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Assalamu Alaikum Wa RahmatAllahi Wa Barakatuh
Assalatu Wa Assalaamu Alaik Ya Sayyidina Ya RasulAllah
Assalamu Alaikum Ya Ahlul Bayt!

One thing came to my mind. I hear brothers say that the Shi'a rejected Imam Zaid because he wouldn't bash Abu Bakr and Umar.
But still they accepted Imam Muhammad Al-Baqir and Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq. To me it seems as if it was because the latter two didn't accept Abu Bakr and Umar audhubillah. Still brothers deny that such a thing would come out of the mouth of the two Aimah. Can someone please clarify the situation for me?


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Brother Husain
The reason behind that is Imam Zaid Ash-Shaheed (as) actually travelled to Kufa, Iraq and wanted to correct these shia upfront. After correcting them he wanted their support against the Ummavi tyrant governments. However, these group shias rejected him because he refused to curse the first 2 calipah. These shias in Kufa that rejected Imam Zaid Ash Shaheed (as) are the forefathers of the 12rs. As for Imam Baqir's (as) and Imam Jafar as Sadiq's (as) opinion on the first 3 calipah, they loved them. In fact they are both related to Syedna Abu Bakr (ra) from their mother's sides. However, these imams stayed in Medina. So it was these kufi shias who lived in Iraq that claimed to follow them but in reality they didn't.

Here is the opinion of Imam Baqir (as) on the Calipahs.

Al Baaqir highly respected Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman (RA), and he used to say: "He who does not recognise Abu Bakr and Umar is ignorant in the Sunnah."



In another occasion he told his student Jaabir Al Ja'fee: "O Jaabir, I know that some people in Iraq claim that they like us, but they try to undermine Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) claiming that I instructed them to do so. Tell them that indeed, I denounce them for the sake of Allah, and if I were in charge, by Him in whose hands is the soul of Muhammed, I would slaughter them and shed their blood in order to get closer to Allah. May the intercession of Muhammed not cover me if I do not ask Allah to forgive both Abu Bakr and Umar and give them both His mercy. Allah's enemies are absent minded and neglectful of them."

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