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Posted 17 October 2006 - 12:50 PM (#1) User is offline   imran2509 

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Mohammed Akhtar Raza Khan Qadri Azhari

I have to say in regard with the usage of the microphone during the performance of Salaah that it is not legitimate to use the microphone during Salaah as it is necessary that the Muqtadies must hear the original voice of the Imaam. The voice, which has been heard from the microphone, is not the original voice of Imaam but it is something different, although it resembles the Imaam's voice. That is why the Ulema say unanimously that if somebody hears the Aayat-e-Sajdah from an echo of the bird, it is not obligatory (Waajib) to perform Sajdaye Tilawat. 

Therefore, the performance of Salaah on the microphone is either incorrect (Fasid) certainly of somebody who is relying on the voice of the microphone and neither hearing the voice of Imaam nor observing the Muqtadies in front of him or it is suspected to be incorrect (Fasid) in case the microphone fails to convey voice of Imaam because in this case the position of the Imaam is uncertain as people would not know whether their Imaam is still carrying on Salaah or he finished it. Beside this, if the microphone needs lots of action from the Imaam to pass over his voice to the microphone, then the Salaah of both the Imaam and the Muqtadies is incorrect (Fasid). 

Hence, you can know how much of foresight is important during Salaah. That is why the circumspect Ulema like Mufti-e-Azam Hind and others prohibit the usage of microphone during the performance of Salaah. Before ending I have to say that you never renounce the Jamaat, if you get proper Sunni Muslim pious and able Imaam and to prevent incorrection (Fasad) of Salaah, you can stand just behind the Imaam or anywhere in the forward line or wherever your place is not relying on the voice of microphone but observing the action of Muqtadies. It is because of the importance of Jamaat so it must not be given up if a proper Sunni, pious and able Imam is available. Wallahu Ta' ala Alam. 

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 03:11 PM (#2) User is offline   YaNabi-Chemist 

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 03:20 PM (#3) User is offline   irfanrazakhan 

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 02:02 AM (#4) User is offline   chisti-raza 

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BEWARE of your writings oh ignorant Faraz Hassan.This is my Murshid that you are addressing in that manner deviod of the Ethics of Islam.If you do have queries then put them out in an appropriate manner rather than attacking the Noble Scholars in the manner that you done.
FYI: I have performed salah in a masjid that is of 3 stories and have not had a problem with the salah that was performed without the microphone.
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Posted 16 July 2007 - 02:42 AM (#5) User is offline   UKBro-Usman 

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Originally posted by: Junaid Yaseen

FYI: I have performed salah in a masjid that is of 3 stories and have not had a problem with the salah that was performed without the microphone.

You what?

Is your Imam a very VERY loud person (mashaAllah?)?



Why do we avoid every new technology - even when it can benefit us so much? We have entered the Islamic stone age, after the golden years.
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Posted 16 July 2007 - 10:18 AM (#6) User is offline   YaNabi-Chemist 

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Originally posted by: Junaid Yaseen

BEWARE of your writings oh ignorant Faraz Hassan. This is my Murshid that you are addressing in that manner deviod of the Ethics of Islam. If you do have queries then put them out in an appropriate manner rather than attacking the Noble Scholars in the manner that you done.




salaam

i have no queries whatsoever. using a microphone is permissable - in fact it is necessary in most mosques. it is unwise to heed to words becasue of who has said it, rather than what is being said - (all the time).

This three story masjid of yours - were you at the top?

in addition, what is wrong with microphones?. the link provided is clear and Logical in its answer. if i have upset you in any way, i apploagise.

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 07:00 PM (#7) User is offline   INTOXICATION-BURN 

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Originally posted by: UKBro Usman

Originally posted by: Junaid YaseenFYI: I have performed salah in a masjid that is of 3 stories and have not had a problem with the salah that was performed without the microphone.You what?Is your Imam a very VERY loud person (mashaAllah?)?Why do we avoid every new technology - even when it can benefit us so much? We have entered the Islamic stone age, after the golden years.

 
Sorry! Don't mean to be disrespectful to any one, but just a little confused.
If it is not the original sound/voice of the Imam then who's (sound/voice) is it that we hear?
I am sure the (sound/voice) we hear is not from a Birds Echo.
Unless the Imam has over eat the Roast!
 I was quite enjoying the Imams (sound/voice) in Dolby Surround Sound
 (HD 7:1) at 150watts per channel.

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 08:34 PM (#8) User is offline   Zakir-Khan 

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whats wrong with a mic, and where we gonna get money to build all these mosks - small speaker system is required for large masjids; but my mosk doesnt have a system cos its a house mosk
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 01:19 AM (#9) User is offline   INTOXICATION-BURN 

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Originally posted by: Zakir Khan

whats wrong with a mic, and where we gonna get money to build all these mosks - small speaker system is required for large masjids; but my mosk doesnt have a system cos its a house mosk

The "mic" is causing problems every where, you are fortunate that you don't have to worry about the "mic".

It's the Birds u should be worried about because it's all in the ... "Echo of the bird" and you have a house mosk is it in Mumbai?

By the way I am from UK and there is no" bird echo" here...Lucky me!

Sorry! But the "mic"is taking the mick!


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Posted 18 July 2007 - 06:39 PM (#10) User is offline   Zakir-Khan 

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lool nope im in uk aswell
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 07:39 PM (#11) User is offline   shah-chisti 

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its such a shame how some users disrespect such great scholars
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 08:15 PM (#12) User is offline   dubaiguy 

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Salam-u-alaikum,
Indeed it is a sad moment for Sunnis. We Sunnis are such that when we feel that this particular Ulema has said something (which in fact is right) which he/she does not like, they start insulting.
This happened before when someone disrespected Maulana Ahmed Shah Noorani (Rahimullah) and now Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan (Rahimullah).
Although I am for the use of loudspeakers in mosques but I never deny the Mufti's fatwa since he was an Ulema and we are not. His fatwas, if not accepted by certain Sunnis, atleast must be respected.
Wa Salamun alaika Ya Rasulullah

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 09:58 PM (#13) User is offline   foma 

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i agree with you brother jawad, May Allah Azzawajal give us the ability to respect the ulema, weather u agree or disagree with them,
i love Allaha,his messenger,the most honorable and greatest man of the mankind.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 02:21 AM (#14) User is offline   INTOXICATION-BURN 

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I did not mean to disrespect or even had any attention to insult or even disagree with any scholar how dare of me to do so.i even said that in my post!

 

Can some of the above Users shed some light on the subject?

 

What is the "echo of the bird" because it's confusing and how many of us in the UK have heard it in our masjids?

 

 

 


"lool nope im in uk aswell" Nice one mate by the way nice Website!


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Posted 21 July 2007 - 10:02 PM (#15) User is offline   INTOXICATION-BURN 

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I must say with all due RESPECT!

That in this day and age, most of us are knowledgeable and intelligent enough to tell the difference between a sound re-produced by an "Echo of a Bird" and a sound re-produced by a Microphone, at a Masjid when Praying Salaah.

                                      

1. Echo? The persistence of a sound after its source has stopped. Is a reflection of sound, arriving at the listener some time after the direct sound. Typical examples are the echo produced by the bottom of a well, by a building, or in a room, by the walls. A true echo is a single reflection of the sound source. The time delay is the extra distance divided by the speed of sound.

                               

2. Microphone? The microphone converts the sound waves into electrical vibrations. This conversion is relatively direct and the electrical vibration can then be amplified by an Amplifier which produces amplified electrical vibrations to the Loudspeaker which produces sound waves that we hear.

                                      

3. Human Ear? The ear has three main parts: the outer, middle, and inner ear.

Any source of sound sends vibrations or sound waves into the air. These funnel through the ear opening, down the ear canal, and strike your eardrum, causing it to vibrate. The vibrations are passed to the small bones of the middle ear, which transmit them to the hearing nerve in the inner ear. Here, the vibrations become nerve impulses and go directly to the brain, which interprets the impulses as sound or voice, etc.

 

The "mic" does HELP!


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 01:52 AM (#16) User is offline   chisti-raza 

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Here we go again. Just as I try my best to stay away from debates such as this that focus on  tertiary issues of Islam,I get sucked into yet another one. I plead with you people(my dear brothers) for your spiritual safety to please, please maintain dignity and respect when discussing affairs that are Islamic in nature.

 

The words of the Great Scholar and Kalifa of Imam Ahmad Raza of Bareilly, Hadrath Moulana Abdul Aleem Siddique (RadiAllahu Anhuma) rings into my ears as I peruse through this thread.

 

"Unfortunately, certain sections of Muslims today have lost all sense of proportion. They may not even know the ABCD of the various Islamic sciences, but they have the courage to indulge in discussions of Islamic things with such a tone of authority as to make even the worse form of lunacy look grave. And not only can they pose as authorities, but they can also fight with fellow Muslims on the basis of their unwarranted and unauthorised views and can extend the fight to a limit where the community gets smashed up into pieces and becomes the laughingstock of the enemies of Islam."

 

I heed the above words and will use this as guidance (yet again) as I continue.

 

I have noticed that there seems to be some confusion surrounding the issue of 'the echo of a bird".

My dear brothers, this is used as one of the basis for the derivation of the above fatawa by Nabeer-e-Ala Hadrath, His Holiness and my Makhdum,

Taajush Sharia'h Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan Al Qadiri (May Allah elevate His Status).This fatwa is of a higher level and does require foundation levels of understanding regarding Islamic Law Derivation so it is quite understandable for the non understanding by certain sections of the Islamic community. I suggest that you should consult your local sunni alim for clearer understanding.In reality, the original fatawa in this regard was by The Shaykh of our Shaykhs, the Gawth of His era, the Grandmaster of Qadiriyath, Huzoor Mufti Azam Hind, Sha Mustafa Raza Al Qadiri Barkati and by the Chief the Ulema, The Great Sayid and Inheritor of The Barkati Path, Huzoor Sayidul Ulema, Ale-Mustafa Barkati(RadiAllahu Anhuma).

 

"That is why the Ulema say unanimously that if somebody hears the Aayat-e-Sajdah from an echo of the bird, it is not obligatory (Waajib) to perform Sajdaye Tilawat."

 

Amazaingly, if we actually take the time to READ the above lines and not merely glance at selected words and subsequently form an opinion, we would find that this quite explicitly refers to the Ayah-e-Sajdah when re-produced or echoed by a bird (Parrot) who learns this Ayah.The books of fiqh have ruled accordingly that should this re-production be heard by the muslim ear it would not become Waajib upon that muslim to perform the Sajdah that becomes a resultant of, hence formation of a provenance of the fatawa.I think that I need to draw attention to my dear brother that the word 'echo' as used in this context is that of a verb in relation to repetition or imitation and not the noun in relation to the persistence of sound.


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 01:55 AM (#17) User is offline   chisti-raza 

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My dear brothers, in all fairness to us(those who are proponents and followers of the fatawa) to deduce that we are against technology or science is indeed a gross injustice.  My proof is actually in me using this medium as a means of communication. For obvious reasons, we shall not go into issues of the different types of Bidah (Innovation) of which there are those that are indeed permissible and commendable and to make accusations that the Ulema are against microphones in totality is indeed unfair.

 

Regarding the use of the microphone, the ruling is quite clear. This concerns the essential and compulsory actions of salah wherein the worshipper has sole reliance upon the loudspeaker to begin and complete the required action.

 

I will elaborate on this for clearer understanding (InshAllah).

 

Firstly, let us look into the microphone.

 

May I first point out that my dear brother Mohammed Rizwan has actually answered this himself.

"That in this day and age, most of us are knowledgeable and intelligent enough to tell the difference between a sound re-produced by an "Echo of a Bird" and a sound re-produced by a Microphone, at a Masjid when Praying Salaah."

 

Yes, my dear brother 're-produced' is actually the correct word to use. Meaning to make a copy of, to duplicate. Please enlighten me if my understanding of copy or duplicate, meaning that which is a replica of the original and not in actual fact the original, is not correct.

 

A microphone is a transducer. It is actually electrical in nature. In simple terms it is an object that converts energy from one form to another.

A microphone captures sound waves and in turn translates/converts these sound waves into electronic pulses.These electronic pulses cannot be interpreted by the human ear which is the final destination. Remember the human ear can only translate sound waves for interpretation by the brain.

Therefore, there is another dependency and that is the requirement of a bridge or an interface of translation. The object that acts as this interface is the Loudspeaker.

The loudspeaker is also a transducer and in this context translates the electronic pulses into sound waves. A reverse change of the order hereby occurs.

Scientific deduction causes us to observe the following. i.e. there is a change of energy from one form to another prior to interpretation by the human ear.

 

 

This is where the problem creeps in. It is at this point that the human ear relies upon the loudspeaker for translation of the energy. This energy has been proven to have metamorphisized from original sound waves into electronic pulses and from electronic pulses into sound waves. Thus, to rely upon the loudspeaker at this point would be non-permissible.

(Please note that audio amplifiers are just that as the name suggests audio amplifiers. This is an agreed upon process wherein no change in the physical nature of the energy form takes place. This is actually where major misunderstanding occurs. Certain groups are of the opinion that since no physical change occurs, then this process is permissible, hence their formation of their ruling that that it is permissible (from a shariah point of view) to use the microphone in salah.Yes, we too agree that an amplifier does not in any way act as a transducer, as at this point of amplification, energy has already undergone a process of transduction. But then again there has already been a change in the physical structure and form of the energy thus negating this argument. There is a two fold process. Firstly, there is a process of input amplification which is amplification of the electronic pulses after the conversion process by the microphone and output amplification which basically drives output devices such as the loudspeakers.)

 

The worshipper is now relying upon that which is out of salah and that which can never be in salah. One will now understand as to the reason why the example of the echo of the bird has been brought foward.

Another point that I would like to point out is that a worshipper in salah cannot even rely upon another Muslim who is out of the same salah to instruct him on the actions of salah. In other words, let us suppose that there is Muslim who does not know how to perform his salah. He will still not be able to allow another Muslim to guide him in his actions while he is in a state of salah and the other out of that state. Also, even if one does not know the Ayahs to recite in salah, he will still not be allowed to use a book to help him while he is in a state of salah.

 

This brings us to another point; the amal-e-kaseer meaning repetitive action that is not part of salah.Repititive action will cause the invalidation of your salah. The act of reading a book to help you with your salah while in a state of salah will lead you to this. What about those Imams who are guilty of this when intentionally making repetitive actions when reciting into the microphone? Is this act part of salah? Please, my dear brothers observe some of these Imams very carefully. I would like to point out that this is not a blanket statement that involves all Imams who pray using the microphones.


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 02:01 AM (#18) User is offline   chisti-raza 

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In my initial post I pointed out that I have performed my salah in a 3 story Masjid and did not have a problem. One of the brothers has raised a question as to whether I was on the 3rd story or not. I was actually on the roof garden above the 3rd story my brother. The solution to the performance of salah was quite simple. Following the sunnah of the Blessed Habeeb(SallAllahu Alaihi Wasalam), a certain number of worshippers acted as mukkabirs in this regard thus providing a more than worthy solution to the problem of hearing the voice of the Imam.



In fact there are many masjids of this magnitude capable of accommodating worshippers in excess of tens of thousands who follow this system. The Masjid of The Noble Sayid Sha Turabul Haq Al Qadiri of Karachi, Pakistan is one that immediately comes to mind.At this juncture, while I write this, another point comes to fruition. What should we do to an act or instrument that negates the Holy Sunnah?



With the usage of the microphone in salah, does the sunnah of mukkabirs now become a forgotten institution?



 



Again, please I ask you to keep in mind that in no way does this mean that technology should not be used in Islam. There are (however) certain domain areas within the framework of the Sharia'h that we should be mindful of when using new innovations at the cost of the negation of the Sunnah. For example, in regards to a woman's idah period after divorce or onset of widow-hood, should this be changed as there is technology available that will immediately inform her if she is pregnant or not?



 



By the way, I am not from Mumbai(I honestly fail to understand what this has to do with the current discussion), I am South African and would like to invite any of my brothers that should they find themselves in South Africa by any chance to please contact me so that I can be of service to them in any way possible. Cape Town is a beautiful place to visit with Islam being introduced here from Indonesia over 300 years ago.



As for the 'house masjids', brothers please I urge you again to maintain the decorum of Islamic Manners. Let alone the noble scholars, even the respect of the sanctity of Masjids does not seem to be safe here.A masjid is masjid and should be respected as such, no matter how big or small.By supposition, I deduce that the reason for this term being used is to enforce credibility that is being dependant on magnitude. I then ask you by analogy of your statement, will masjids that accommodate lower numbers of worshippers in your areas (which seem to be limited to the UK) now be referred to as 'house mosques' in comparison to the Masjids of India that accommodate tens of thousands of worshippers. In fact there are jamaah's in India and Pakistan that consistently accommodate more than a hundred thousand worshippers and yes, I have been in one such jamaah when performing salah and that too without the use of the microphone.


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 02:08 AM (#19) User is offline   chisti-raza 

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As for Brother, Faraz Hassan; yes, you have upset me as well as ALL mureeds and lovers of Huzoor Taajush Sharia'h but I do accept your apology and most certainly believe that you are indeed sincere in your quest of Islamic Salvation. As Always we are to maintain good thoughts of our brothers.

 

For the sake of unity and harmony within the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah, I try to follow the words of my Master, Huzoor Taajush Sharia'h in the matter regarding the issues of the Microphone and the loudspeaker when used in Salah.

 

"Before ending I have to say that you never renounce the Jamaat, if you get a proper Sunni Muslim, pious and able Imaam and to prevent incorrection (Fasad) of Salaah, you can stand just behind the Imaam or anywhere in the forward line or wherever your place is ,not relying on the voice of microphone but observing the action of Muqtadies. It is because of the importance of Jamaat so it must not be given up if a proper Sunni, pious and able Imam is available. Wallahu Ta' ala Alam."

 

This is our view and We do not enforce this view and neither do we call for it to be enforced and in my travels, I always give the Sunni Imam the benefit of the doubt regarding knowledge and piety and do on occasions when in a masjid wherein the Imam uses the microphone, perform my salah behind Him, relying on the Muqtadi in front of me or I always try to get as close to the Imam as possible so that I can hear and rely on his voice.

As Huzoor Taajush Sharia'h himself advises, "I have to say that you never renounce the Jamaat".

 

If there are any errors please note that this should be taken to be an error on part in the explanation of the fatawa and not an error in the fatawa in any way and I beseech Almighty Allah for forgiveness.

 

May Allah grant us unity on the path of Ahle Sunnah, the path of Qadiri, the Chisti, the Naqshabandi and the Soharwardi.

May we live as Sunni

May we die as Sunni

May we be raised as Sunni


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 02:58 AM (#20) User is offline   Aam-Musalman 

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Originally posted by: UKBro Usman

You what?Is your Imam a very VERY loud person (mashaAllah?)?Why do we avoid every new technology - even when it can benefit us so much? We have entered the Islamic stone age, after the golden years.

UKBro,

Search for the meaning of the word "Mukkabir" you will understand how Brothter Junaid Yaseen or all those for years before the wajood of Microphone offered Salah.

Also search for the definition of "Taqwaa" will help you understand better many things as to why some do what they do even though it is easy to do otherwise.

As-salamwalekum
Wasley Maula Chatey Ho Tho Wasilaa Dhoond Lo, BeWasilaa Bewakoofo hargiz KHUDAH Milta Nahi.
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