[Umer-Dewan]

Well Alhamdulillah I am Hanafi Sunni *****. I have friend which I later came to know about that he is a Qadiyani (a.k.a Ahmedi). We both talked a lot about his false beliefs. He is a kind who is just qadiyani just because he was born in a qadiyani family. He is really interested in knowing more about the true facts about qadiyanism. I helped him as much as I could. He even dicussed this matter with his grandfather. Now a few days back his grandfather called me and asked me to discuss any objections on his beliefs. He asked me to provide any Quranic Verse(s) which prove the life of Hazrat Essa (Allaihe Salam) or any verse which proves that Hazrat Essa (Allaihe Salam) is alive and Allah just called him up from earth. He wants me to answer his questions. But not an alim neither a very enlightened one about any such issues. So I think I am not an appropiate one to get into such discussions. Though his grandfather dont want an official debate (Munazira) at this stage. He just a few of his basic queries to be answered. I want you guys to tell me about any Sunni (*****) Alim to answer his queries (from Karachi). I am a mureed of Hazrat Allama Shah Turab-ul-Haqq Qadri. But I dont want assistance from Shah Sahab cause of some personal problems. (Its not like I have any objections regarding his personality or Shah Sahab's beliefs, its just something else). The first name I had in my mind was Moulana Mohammed Jahangir Naqshbandi (wrote Ala Hazrat Per 150 Ilzamat Ka Munh Toor Jawab). I just want if you guys have any better names in your mind. This isnt a matter of winning or losing by any means. Its just I think that friend mind needs help so I shoudl help him in this regard.

[hb014g4573]

but is it allowed or not permissable to be-friend or have a friend who is a qadiani?

[F_Riaz786]

Brother Iftikhar,

Why would it not be permissable to have a friend who is qadiyani...we all speak to Kuffar (english people,hindus etc everyday), so my view on this is that yes it is permissable to be a friend of a qadiyani if you are helping them come to true path..., if you know with your help this brother/sis will come towards the true path then ther's nothing wrong in having a friend who is qadiyani..(this is just my personal view and sorry i'm not a knowledgable person to give you a better answer)

[F_Riaz786]

 

[hb014g4573]

Dear Attaria, thanks for your reply. but what if you're not helping the Qadiani to come onto straight path or the qadiani person doesn't want to know the truth anyway or is not interested, then we are not allowed to be their friends or mates/pals, is that correct?

[siraj9]

Assalamu Alaikkum Bros,

We all keep freindship with kafirs, that's right,
Because We Know They are kafir, They  already decleard.
But Qadiyani Is different Aqeedha and they denieing the truth,
in the name of muslim. Even wahabis,shia,etc... all munafiks.better 
Avoid to  keep friendship with them. this is my personal opinion.


Ya Ali

[mudasir]

salam the bro asked a question n u guys diverted the topic, he is tryin to help a person helooooooo

[mobi786]

The Wahabis and Shia's have deviant beliefs. But at least they believe in the five pillars of Islam. They are deviated Muslims. However the Qidiani's reject the fundamental belief that Hazoor Paak (SAW) are the Last Messenger of Allah Tallah. How can anyone be a Muslim If someone Astagfirullah believes that there is another Prophet of God after our Beloved Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)! Mirza Qadiani was a heretic parading around as a Prophet Noozabillah! Hazoor Paak (SAW) are the Final Messenger of God. Plain and simple.

[Umer-Dewan]

Well its NOT permissible to get along with any deviant, wether its a wahabi/deobandi/ahle`hadith (ahle`Khabees) or Qadiani. As I earlier wrote, I didnt knew he was qadiani and I think most of you already knows that Qadianis are banned in Pakistan by Government officials. So they usually dont reveal their identity to everyone around. I came to know about him like 2 or 3 years later. And now this guys his more than half way towards the truth. Just a little help and he will embrace the truth even his whole family. I talked to his grandfather, he talked in a real sophisticated manner and seems like an intellectual person so far. Thanks for you replies but I still cant find any answers regarding my query. I appreciate if any of you give me guidance as soon as possible. Thank you.

[Al-Noor]

Br Umer,
In short I can suggest you a site which you should visit as well ask your friend to visit that, www.ahmedi.org  and ask him that would he/they have any answer of the questions which been raised on that site, further the informations on that site about ahmediyyat are true or not?

[islam_is_great]

Aoa,

If you are looking for the answers of all the question regaring Qadianis, Then please do not bother to go alislam.org as some qadiani has mentioned, first make ur own faith so strong before listning these bullshits, These people have Miss interpret the keyterms in Quran  like "Khatam","tawaffa" etc. Even tawffa is used to Raise up not to death in case of jesus,
Imam Qurtabi Explained the meaning of Tawaffa
1: incase of sleep.
2: incase of death.
3: in the case of jesus being raised up.

Find the articles of muslims scholars like Imams etc and Read the words, I can prove you wih 100% gurantee that there isnt a single word about the death of jesus in Quran, Terms used as i told earlier "Tawaffa",
in another suurah Mutawaffakeen used means that In case of sleep, when You sleep Allah take u towards urself and etc.

terma "Tawaffa" is also used for the death in Quran round about 22 times, but it means here to get the soul from the body.
lets me give u breif thing here:

In quran there is also mentioned about the death of prophets like in some surrah there is mentiond that if prophet before muhammad has been dead though he will live longer. and other Deaths of the prophet, but the intresting thing here is that there isnt used the word "tawaffa" for  the death of any prophet See Quran by urself not the translation of qadianis but orignal by Yusuf ali, Pikthal etc, Not by Mohammad ali.

Allah is giving respect to his Prophets, prophets are innocent that u know and i also know allah cant say like that "oh jesus i will take ur spirit from ur body " etc etc right.
there are terms used in Quran for the death of prophets is:

Mita: natural death.
Qataloho: Death
Salabohoo: death.

Not tawaffa for any single prophet See by urself, becuase lot of hadih explain the comming of jesus the son of marium again not only the Massiha right. In quran there is Clearly Clearly mentiond about the 2nd comming of Son of marium(jesus) , in many surrah,

"He(jesus) is sign of Hour but follow me i am the stright path"

"there is none of the people of the book who will follow Him(jesus) before his death"

"i will Raise you toward myself and purify you from whom who disbelive you" right....

and lot of other Surrah and verses,
even in sahi bukhari there is mentioned second comming of jesus.

Qadiani belief:

According to many qadiani they use to belive Mirza as Massiha, but the main fact is that Mirza claimed to be Massiha and Mahdi but Dajjal wad Remaning Actullay he was not mahdi not Jesus but only Dajjal.

In hadith and Quran the 2nd comming of jesus is explained by these terms:

"Son of marium",
"Isa bin marrium"

Now these qadianis do not use their brains becuas Son of marium was JESUS not mirza ghulam qadiani, ISa bin marium was JESUS not mirza, and the term used in quran and hadith is ISA BIN MARIYAM, Mirza wasnt born from virgin so on and so forth.

ulot of qadiani use to say that according to mirza tahir that " this world is so big and universe is getting Scatred and scatred and scientist have discovered the light speed and jesus is on 4th sky then Who come he be go there cause if he has been gone 2000 years ago its impossible for him to reach  there untill noW"(according to speed of light)

The simple answer Scientist have discovered the 7 skies mentioned in Quran these are:

1.Troposphere 2.Stratosphere
3.ozone 4.Mesosphere
5.Thermosphere 6.ionosphere 7.exosphere

and they are exactly upon the surface of earth if a normal man can cross these 7 skies how cant jesus be first point.
2nd is that Angle use to come to the earth for Wahi even Hazrat jibrael came lot of time to eath and also changed into human structure lot of time, Even Angle came to Hazrat loot in human form, now which law is applicable for angle to come on the earth, Laws are same for everyone right(according to speed of light).
These qadianis do not belive in mericles and power of allah they use to say that how can it be possible According to law of nature but brother remember one thing the law of nature is for Human being not for God himself, if God order something to be its just done right.

Where were the law of nature when hazrat ibrahim thrown in fire it turned into flower (in quran), which law of nature was there when Mouse had thrown his stick it turned into Snake, Which law of nature was  there when Jesus was bron through virgin, which lay of nature was there when jesus made a Dead alive (in quran), which law of nature was there when muhammad(s.a.w) went to miraj(these qadiani even dont belive that he was physicaly went for miraj but actually he went physically becuase he offered 2 nafal and a man only pray when he is neither in sleepingright), which law of nature was there when Hazart salman Flew on the skies(in quran), and lot of things.

if you want to get information regarding the 2nd comming of jesus then please find from this website a very Scientific and logical proof by harun yahyah,

website address is:

http://www.harunyahya.com/

after entring this site turn it to english or urdu whatever u want it is in 100 languages English is best, and then see all the videos about jesus and mahdi Scientificly proven and also read the articles related to jesus and mahdi u ll get lot of information ..

Thanx for your time and cosideration.

wsalam

[tannay786]

Salaam brother, tell them to answer a few questions of your own. I am currently doing an article regarding Mirza and his cult. It has reached over 100 pages but as of yet is unfinshed as I have alot uni work to do too. I have highlighted every single passage from Mirza's books providing screenshots and direct links to there 'official' site.

Ask them since when is it a pre-requiste to beleive in Mirza Ghulam to become a Muslim? Yes they claim Mirza did not change the sharia and is a so called non-law bearing prophet, yet he said the following:

MIRZA GHULAM (THE ESSENCE OF ISLAM VOLUME 4 - PAGE 87)

"God Almighty has disclosed to me that whoever has been apprised of my advent and does not accept me is not a Muslim and is accountable to God." (The Essence Of Islam - Volume 4 - Page 87)

And also ask them why Mirza was lacking in basic Islamic knowledge:

MIRZA GHULAM (ROOHANI KHAZAIN - VOLUME 23 - PAGE 465)

"Take a look at history. His Holiness, the blessings of Allah and peace be on him, was that same orphan boy whose father died a few days after [Muhammad's] birth and his mother died leaving an infant just a few months old. (Roohani Khazain - Volume 23 - Page 465)

It is well documented that the Prophets (PBUH) father passed away before the Prophet (PBUH) was born! and his mother passed away when he was 6-7.

As far this topic goes.... ask him where is the grave of Jesus (AS). He will reply to you... Kashmir, then ask why has Mirza stated as follows:

MIRZA GHULAM (ROOHANI KHAZAIN - VOLUME 8 - PAGE 296-297)

"Muhammed (SAW) has passed away, as you know, and his tomb is in Medina, therefore, you will have to admit that Jesus (AS) is no longer either and his grave is in Sham (Syria)..." (Roohani Khazain Vol 8, P.296-297, dated 1894)

Also tell this person that Mirza Ghulam said in many of his books the following:

QUOTE

"To curse is not the quality of a siddiq (truthful). A believer does not send curses." (Roohani Khazain Volume 3 - Izala Auham - Page 456)

QUOTE

"Cursing is not the style of a truthful person. Faithful (M'omin) does not curse." (Rohaani Kazain Volume 3 - Izala-e-Auham - Page 660)

QUOTE

"It is against my nature to say any offensive words." (Roohani Khazain Volume 4 - Aasmani Faisla Page 9)

QUOTE

"... and do not apply to anyone a 'gaalee' (a vile epithet or a curse word) even if he/she is applying to you a gaalee" (Roohani Khazain Volume 19 - Kashti Nooh - Page 11)

QUOTE

"I have never sworn even in retaliation." (Roohani Khazain Volume 19 - Kashti Nooh - Page 18)

QUOTE

"I have not even answered back anyone with abusive language." (Roohani Khazain Volume 19 - Muwahib-Ur-Rehman - Page 236)

Wow.... what a liar this man was!! Read the following quotes:

QUOTE

"CURSES (LAANAT) (1000 Times) " - Volume 8 of Roohani Khazain. From pages 158 - 162

QUOTE

"... and is not convinced of my victory, [in that case] it will be clearly understood that this person is fond of becoming a wald-ul-haraam and is not of legitimate birth. Hence, to become a person of legitimate birth ['halaal zaadah'] it is incumbent [on this person] that if he considers me false and establishes the Christians as dominant and victorious [then he should go to `Abdullaah Aatham and make him take the oath that I, i.e., Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, have suggested]; then, if `Abdullaah Aatham is saved from [i.e., not punished within] the established period then [that person] is free to spread [the news] to the whole world that victory has gone to the Christians; otherwise, it is a sign of a haraam zaadah that [he] does not adopt the straight path and continues to love the paths of darkness and injustice. If someone has such an animosity toward Islaam and inclination toward Christianity and under all circumstances wants to give victory to the Christians, then all paths are now closed except this path [of getting Aatham to take the oath and thus having the matter decided]. Neither would I have referred to anyone as of wald-ul-haraam nor named [him] a haraam zaadah but rather a person who, rejecting such a straight and clear path, does not refrain from verbal impudence ['zabaan daraazee'], that person will himself adopt all these names." (Roohani Khazain Volume 9 - Anwarul-Islam - Pages 31-32)

And please ask these people how they justify Mirza saying the following: I feel bad even quoting this but Allah (SWT) knows it is only to expose this cult for what it really is:

MIRZA GHULAM (ROOHANI KHAZAIN - VOLUME 3 - PAGE 472)

"The Holy Prophet made mistakes in his predictions." (Roohani Khazain - Volume 3 - Page 472)

MIRZA GHULAM (ROOHANI KHAZAIN - VOLUME 22 - PAGE 267)

"In a vision, I saw God in a visionary expression and I wrote many predictions; then I placed many papers before God for his signature, so that he may confirm my demands.  I saw that God wrote something and without hesitation put His signature in red ink.  At the time of signing, he jerked the pen as they do when ink on the nib is in excess and they throw it down. I was very sensitive at that time that God was so kind to me that whatever I demanded He put His signature on that without any hesitation." (Roohani Khazain - Volume 22 - Page 267)

Brother Umar Dewan the list is endless. If you would like my work to date I will be happy to give it you. All these quotes have been referenced and in my actual article I have the pages scanned and highlighted, pinpointing exactly where he said all I have mentioned so it cannot be denied.

May Allah (SWT) grant you the capacity to show your friend the true light of Islam. Inshallah. Subhanallah.

[Abdul-Mustafa-786]

If anyone has Molana Kokab Noorani Okarvi's book "Qadiyani Dajjal" or any books written by Imam Ahmed Raza Khan R.A. on Qadiyaniism then I humbly request you to PLEASE scan it or type it and upload it here PLEASE insha Allah ameen.

For information on this Non-Muslim Missionary group (Jamat) please visit:
www.zikar.net and click on "Gallery/Literature" and then click on  "Khatme Nabuwwat"

The similarities in the books of the Qadiyani-Kafir-Jamat and the Deobandi-Wahabi-Tablighi Jamat can be seen in Hazrat Maulana Kokab Noorani Okarvi's book White and Black at: http://www.nooremadi...iteAndBlack.asp

Hazrat Maulana Kokab Noorani Okarvi is the son of Khatib-e-Pakistan Hazrat Maulana Mohammed Shafee Okarvi R.A., whose translated lectures can be read at: http://sufi.co.za/translated.htm