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 Posted 29.07.2005 18:08:43
Waxing Gibbous

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from Iftikhar.  Brother, what does Shell shock mean and what does Tafsir mean in english?
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 Posted 29.07.2005 18:27:00
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I need some help on this because I think its a bit confusing here. 

you see, brother Irfan Raza Khan has mentioned that wahabis are as you can say the senior teachers of qadianism and that qadianis are at all costs the Non-Muslims and a sect out of Islam and so the thing I don't understand here is that if Wahabis are the senior teachers or teachers-like of qadianism and that qadianis are out Islam, then how come Wahabis aren't, I mean wouldn't that mean that Wahabism sect is or their corrupt teachings are worse than qadianism because I have heard by Sunni Malana saying that Wahabism are worse than qadianism because for example, the qadianis claim that Hazrat Isa (AS) has died and not living while Wahabis say that Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) is died and not living (in other words 'murdah') (Allah Taubah) so this is where I don't understand some things where if qadianis are totally kafirs and a sect not belonging to Islam then what makes Wahabism sect still fitted in the sect of Islam and this is where some confusions come up and also are there any books by sunni scholars that someone can suggest we could or should approach?  and once again, can some people stop claiming that I am coming out with onslaught or attacking some brothers or some person when I am not because otherwise why am I keep on replying - somply to ask for advice and information/answers that could help some probably misunderstood Muslims.

I hope there will be some understanding.

please reply.  also my email is: hb014g4573@hotmail.co.uk.

basically, if its true that Ala Hazrat has not claimed wahabis or all wahabis to be Kafirs, then all you have to or someone has to say and reply is that 'Ala Hazrat has or has not said such and such a thing' instead of hitting it to me in a manner like 'where does it say or prove and all that kinda stuff'.  because the idea is to listen and share our knowledge and understanding basically.  I hope you agree.  and once again, I am not attacking anyone but asking for help and we should all be helping.

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 Posted 29.07.2005 18:42:21
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1. can some one tell me that if it is not allowed for Sunnis to read salaah behind wahabis, then is it not because Wahabis or wahabi so-called molvies/Imams are dis-believers and if they are not disbelievers and hypocrites (munafiqs) then what are they?, because either a person is a believer or a disbeliever and once again I aint attacking no 1 and I'm sure you all agree that I aint attacking no1 but asking for support and information and I am not trying to be funny, thats true.

2. let some one ask themself that if they are not allowed to read namaz behind other than Sunni Imams and that salaah being a wahabi will not be accepted, then why it it so, I mean is the wahabi so-called molvie/imam not a person who is out of Islam and if he is still considered as a Muslim, then why will Salaah not be allowed behind them and will salaah not be accepted behind them?

Normally, I believe (as I've heard and read up in books) that Salaah behind Wahabis is not allowed nor accepted and am I not right in this issue? please tell me

3. also tell me what should a Sunni do if they go for umrah or hajj and if there is no Sunni Imam to lead the prayer but thereis only a wahabi leading the prayer, what should or what are we ordered to do, I mean do we read separatly or what do we do?

4.  Are we supposed to stay away from Hizb Ut Tahir also and who are they any way and are they some kind of deviance or somethingas I've read ina book probably written by Sajid-ul-Hashmi?

I await for your jawaab.  shuria


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 Posted 30.07.2005 14:05:37
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Originally posted by: IFTIKHAR HUSSAIN
1. can some one tell me that if it is not allowed for Sunnis to read salaah behind wahabis, then is it not because Wahabis or wahabi so-called molvies/Imams are dis-believers and if they are not disbelievers and hypocrites (munafiqs) then what are they?,


Assalam o Alaikum,
Dear brother IFTIKHAR HUSSAIN

Don’t be confuse, everything is clear.


 


Ilive in Jeddah and i see a lot of people around me, who known as wahhabi but they don’t know the beliefs of wahhabiah. One of my colleague who is Saudi and sometimes insists me to be Ghair Muqqalid(stupid). It means how deeply he is involved in wahhabiism. But when I told him the comments of wahhabia of indo-o-pak about the Best Creation of Allah Almighty (Salalalhu Aliah wassalam), he surprised and said “ how can they be muslim?”


I told him that your own people have the same beliefs, but he refused. He said” Lahaula wala Quwata Illa Billah”. But he is still wahhabi, he doesn’t want to follow any Imam, he doesn’t want to celebrate Millad Sharif and …..


 


Listen bro; these are the common people in Saudi Arabia and they are not Kafir, of course not. They are deceived by their own scholars, because they only see them, listen them. When they'll listen the TRUTh, Insha'Allah Azzawajal, they'll accept it. now blind mufti is all in all..........


I forward some books of our grand Imam Ala’ Hazrat radi allahu Ta’al Anhu, to some sunni and non-suni arabs and both replied he is a great scholar. I’m giving them one by one … at the end Insha’Allah Almight I’ll give them Hassam ul Haramin.


 


The book about knowledge of unseen “ Aldoola tul Makkiyah”, I gave to an imam Masjid in Jeddah and he said “ Alhadmulillah Azzawajal, I’ve the same believe” Alhadmulillah Azzawajal.


 


All Arab, even all Saudis are not wahhabis, if some of them are wahhabis, than all wahabis aren’t Kafirs.


We don’t follow them in prayers because they are misguided people, but if anyone of them having the wrong beliefs that are declared by our Ulama, he is 100 % Kafir and there is no doubt.

Only in Jeddah there are 2 Sunni Imam Masjid, Alhamdulillah Azzawajal. And I offer Jummah’s prayer behind them. Alhadmulillah Azzawajal.


During hajj & Ummrah it isn’t necessary to pray behind an imam, you can pray alone or your own Jama’t if you are two or more…..

Wassalam Ma'al Ikram




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 Posted 30.07.2005 15:33:15
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Assalamualaikum brother Naveed,

A great post showing your love for Ahle Sunnah and InshAllah soon those who have been misguided will be bought to the straight path.  Keep up your good work and we alwalys pray for people to follow the Haq and see the light.

Ameen,

Shahban



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 Posted 02.08.2005 22:07:50
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Would it be surprising to know that much of the earliest Qadyanis were wahabis infact (ahle hadees).

It seems funny, but it is true, the connections between the Qadyanis and the Wahabis run deep.

Both seem to have a grudge against the blessed Mawlid.

Lu'ay



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 Posted 05.08.2005 18:20:25
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I never knew that that earliest Qadianis were wahabis.  please can you explain more for our understanding.

thumbs up for Sunnis      and thumbs down for wabios.

thanks.  from Iftikhar Hussain. 


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 Posted 06.10.2005 11:23:46
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All grace be to Allah he who made man with different likenings and may his blessings and mercy be upon his Beloved Prophet Saw and His Companions and Whoever conjoined and espoused them to the day of resurrection.

Salam.
I would just to like to make a few matters clear, though this may seem to some that Wahabi's are Ghustaakhi-Rasool Saw as a matter of fact not all of them are.Seeing as we have become blind followers of whatever we see & hear it may seem to us now that conjoining and espousing Wahabbi's aka Deobandi's is unimaginable. I myself tend to go to a Brelwi mosque even though the wahhabi mosques are not distant from me.But I also happen to go to the Wahhabi mosque as to avoid trivial and frivolous divisions between the Ummah.
My point is go to there mosques and talk to them i dont me quarrell with them because quarelling at this time is all in vain.
My first question is what is the simialrity betwwen wahabi's and deobandis.
Wahabism was established about 250 years ago by abdullah bin wahaab wheras  deobandism was established more or less when brelwism was established. so whats is the simalarity betwwen the two?

Yours Awating
Rahmani



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 Posted 08.10.2005 11:56:39
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 Posted 08.10.2005 12:22:38
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Have you ever learned about islam. have you heared some islamic literatures or read. This is my geniune question to help you as it seems you have just opened you eyes.

If yes then i think you are one of them and dont have any answer of the proof given above and you dont want accept the reality which bites and you dont want to improve by doing tauba. There is better option tauba.

AAJ LE UNKI PANAH AAJ MADAD MANG UNSE
PHIR NA MANGE QAYAMAT ME AGAR MAN GAYA






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