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 Posted 24.03.2010 21:10:37
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Modest Muslimah (12.03.2010)
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salam

so yo are saying that i will get heaven just for saying the kalima. so whats the point of my namaaz when according to your deviated logic:

the drunk muslim next door to me who knows nothing of islamwill go to heaven simply on the basis of his professing the kalima and no good deeds?

wheres the the insaaf in that?

sajid


Look why don't you go back and read my post properly....
i did not by any means say as long as anyone knows their kalimah will go STRAIGHT to heaven.

i said anyone who BELIEVES in the kalimah, regardless of the sins they commit will EVENTUALLY go to heaven. i'll repeat that again, 'EVENTUALLY GO TO HEAVEN'.
This means, so that drunk muslim next door who knows nothing about islam will get sent to hell, get punished for God knows how many years but eventually if Allah wills He will forgive him and let him enter paradise, why? because he did believe in Allah and the Messenger, that's where the guarantee of paradise for muslims comes in.......come on it's straightforward.....

(i) 'Abdullaah ibn Mas'oud (ra) said: "The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "I know the last of the people of Hell who will be brought forth from it, and the last of the people of Paradise to enter it. It is a man who will come out of Hell crawling on all fours." Allah will say to him, "Go and enter Paradise". So he will come to it and will suppose that it is full. He will go back and say, "My Rabb, I found it full". Allah (swt) will say, "Go and enter Paradise for there you have something like the world and ten times over [or you have something ten times better than the world]. He will says, "Are you making fun of me - or laughing at me - and You are the Sovereign of all?" I ['Abdullaah] saw the Messenger of Allah (saw) smiling so broadly that his back teeth were visible. He used to say, "That is the one who is lowest in status of the people of Paradise". [al-Bukhaari, 11/386, ar-Riqaaq, at-Tawheed Baab Kalaam ar-Rabb 'azza wa jall yawm al-qiyamah ma'a al-anbiyaa wa ghayrihim; and Muslim, with slight variation, no. 186, Baab aakhir Ahl an-Naar Khurujan; and at-Tirmidhi, no. 2598 in Safah Jahanam, Ch. 10]

Salaam

I total agree with you bro. i find it shocking that people cant even understand what you saying. This is how people use other people words and completely misunderstand them and then accuse them.  this happens to many scholars. they say something else but some people who dont like them take wrong meaning. 

Brother/sisters remember that if someone says that if you read kalmah then you will eventually go heaven dont mean that you stop praying and asking Allah for forgiveness.  its like me saying to you that read namaz and you will go heaven and then somebody says waaat. who are you to decide who goes heaven or hell.  its basically just a saying.  Its like encouraging people to read namaz etc. you cant say to someone read namaz but naa you wont go heaven or hell. but you gota say it in positive manner and then inshallah after reading namaz they will do other good things and next time if you see that person you can say be nice to people and Allah will forgive you and grant you jannah.  The problem these days is everyone uses their own brains and they want people to listen to just them and when they see other people say things they always find faults etc.  I think every muslim should think i dont want to go near Hell for punishment of grave as that is very bad and if brother like modest muslima says by reading Kalma you will go heaven EVENTUALLY dont mean dont pray or do good deads as that eventually could be million of years.  I seen alot of these things happen. its like someone asks you a question saying will every muslim go heaven eventually and someone answers yes and then thousand of muslims go on net and blaze him saying ohh he encouraging people not to pray etc but he dont mean that. He is just answering a question.  I think in order to stay away from fitna of today is just please Allah and protect your family but you see even that is impossible as if you stay quiet people attack you family and force you to say bad things to them as they never stop but you should always try not to and hold on.




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Islam means mercy so be mercifull

Edited: 24.03.2010 21:13:59 by HanafiUK

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 Posted 23.03.2010 12:13:54
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I would firsty say this is a very interesting topic. My concern is if everyone that belives in God no matter what religion they are and have a chance then what would be the point of them becoming a Muslim and stay in whatever their beliefs are? What would we the point in anything that we do? Even us as Muslims I agree don't have a ticket to heaven but eventually we will go there. If this could be said for all other religions then it would not make a differance what religion you followed?



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–Prophet Muhammed (Sal Allaahu Alayhi wa Sallam)

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 Posted 22.03.2010 00:29:37
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well i think the same way, i disagree with alot of things said especially the heaven and hell concept. some muslims tend be radical and heaven obsessed even the christians. i am happy that people like to say things like " i don't like the idea of sending people to hell", but then again its the interpretation that is given by extrime crazy mullahs who have misguided verses and listened to wrong people. by looking at saudi arabia and other parts of the world it does not take a smart *** to know what goes on there.
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 Posted 18.03.2010 04:30:00
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Fatema the resplendent (17.03.2010)

These questions will only be answered after the journey of this life.

I like your analogy but the only certainty is Allah and his beloved messenger.

Connect the comment with the context. The fact that we believe in a hereafter connotatively makes us think that we will end up in a better bucket. If that was not the case then following a religion would become more a liability than a privilege.




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 Posted 17.03.2010 15:15:44
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Brother Tahir, Certainty of what though? Certainty of Believing in God which I am certain of, In his oneness which again I am certain of. By uncertainty I mean whether we do JUSTICE with the Sanctity of our belief-system.  I can be a Muslim but can I reach the perfection of being?

These questions will only be answered after the journey of this life.

I like your analogy but the only certainty is Allah and his beloved messenger.




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 Posted 16.03.2010 12:24:34
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Fatema the resplendent (15.03.2010)
I'm not sure what you are asking here, the precedence over others is not 'felt' until one dies, this is when that faith is either endorsed or rebuked. So for anyone to think they are most certainly on the right path all of the time is impossible. Professing faith is for own self fulfillment on a spiritual and an intellectual level, surely?

Reality of hereafter is a result of the flavour consumed during our earthly visit. If we really believe in God then negation of His existence cannot be considered a beneficial alternative. I’m sure you must have heard the following proverb:

Blessed are those who believe!

Islam expect certainty from us, there are no fruits for people who are half pregnant.

Tahir




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 Posted 16.03.2010 11:55:30
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Razmer

I believe Islam is the correct Religion and Mohammed PBUH is the last Prophet, whether I am doing justice to myself with what I believe is something I am not certain of. I don't think anyone can be certain of that. I don't think Islam allows one to indulge in self-glorification on basis of belief.

Yes we are lucky enough to be born into Muslim families, imagine if we were not would you have sought the Almighty unaided all by yourself?




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 Posted 15.03.2010 20:30:39
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Fatema, is it not part of our belief that Islam is the best of religion and Muhammad (SAW) the last prophet and those who do not proclaim as such are on the wrong path?

As rightly pointed out by Tahir bhai, my reservation would be if I do not bind myself with such a belief where does it leave me? Or perhaps I am right in leaving it to God and being neutral?



                                                          Ghaus al azam bamane, be-sar o saman madad 

Edited: 15.03.2010 20:33:18 by razmer
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 Posted 15.03.2010 12:54:08
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'Unfair according to some standards but if there is no precedence in having a faith then why profess one?' (Tahir Riaz)

I'm not sure what you are asking here, the precedence over others is not 'felt' until one dies, this is when that faith is either endorsed or rebuked. So for anyone to think they are most certainly on the right path all of the time is impossible. Professing faith is for own self fulfillment on a spiritual and an intellectual level, surely?

 




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razmer (10.03.2010)
The other day I was haivng a discussion with one of my husband's cousins and his aparent problem with religion was that it sends every perosn who disagrees with us to hell and everyone we like to heaven. According to him some great human beings were not muslims and the idea of sending them to hell was beyond his understanding.

Can be easily brushed aside by pinpointing that religion only informs it doesn't enforce. The enforcement is a result of our conscious decisions. The underlined problem however is beyond the involved rhetoric.

A Muslim license plate automatically  defines you as good and them as bad.

Unfair according to some standards but if there is no precedence in having a faith then why profess one?




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