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 Posted 29.06.2009 06:35:04
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An amazing speech by Hazrat Mufakkir-e-Islam, Pir Sayyid Abdul Qadir Jilani (may Allah preserve him). There are some magnificent points discussed in this lecture. A must see for all YaNabi.com users as the Shaykh specfically addresses recent comments made that "the afdaliyya of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (radiAllahu anhu) is absolutely definite and there is ijma' on him being the greatest without any difference of opinion."

This event was held on Thursday, 25th June 2009 in Luton. Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad bin Yahya an-Ninowy (may Allah preserve him) was also present and his lecture will be uploaded very soon.

Many thanks to brother
Qadri Jilani for providing the DVD.




www.JilaniMedia.com


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Edited: 29.06.2009 19:59:33 by Nabeel Qadiri Jilani
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 Posted 29.06.2009 15:31:40
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Masha Allah,

Kia Baat hay. Thanks for uploading



تنم فرسودہ جاں پارہ ز ہجراں، یا رسول اللہ
دلم پژمردہ آوارہ ز عصیاں، یا رسول اللہ
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 Posted 30.06.2009 15:06:38
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Aslaamualikum

This is an awesome response to the khawaarjis,come out and challenge it.



Haq Ali Ali Ali Moula Ali Ali Ali
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 Posted 30.06.2009 20:02:55
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The truth is no one has the bottle to challenge Hazarat Saab. It's easy to say things when someone is not there. But when Mufakire Islam is at present no one has the guts. The truth is friends and Enemies believe that Hazarat saab is on Haq and if you ever come across him the other person will be defeated...................

The speech is amazing and factual. Lets see if anyone can prove Mufakire Islam wrong.


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 Posted 30.06.2009 22:37:53
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Nabeel Qadiri Jilani (29.06.2009)




Ye Jalwah-e-Jannah Hey Tamasha Nahien Koi






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Edited: 30.06.2009 22:39:32 by Desert Sheikh
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 Posted 01.07.2009 01:49:34
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Oh yes SubhanAllah, it was a brilliant atmosphere.

In the beginning Hazrat Sahib says that he has a lot of points to go through but the time is short. Shaykh Ninowy responds saying "with the madad of Moula Ali, everything will be fine!" (you can hear it in the start).




ei biradar chu 'aqibat khakast, khaak shawesh az ankei khaak shawee

jarahat al-sinani laha'l-tiyamu ma yaltamu jarahat al-lisani

Edited: 01.07.2009 02:47:33 by Qadri Jilani

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 Posted 01.07.2009 04:16:10
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So lemme get this straight.


One party is saying that there is IJMA' that sayyidna Abu Bakr (ra) is afdal, and any other belief is kufr.

Shaykh Mufakkir e Islam says that he believes sayyidna Abu Bakr (ra) is afdal, but to believe sayyidna Ali (ra) is afdal is also acceptable.

THAT'S IT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?


on a side note I was slightly bemused just before 26:00 :hehe:, you will never find an urdu speaker... Anyway, masha Allah my urdu isn't 100% but I enjoyed shaykh's talk, I like his style. :cool: Shaykh Ninowy is also awesome. What a guy. Awesome! Saheeh! I found it quite sweet of shaykh Ninowy to just stand there at the request of Mufakkir e Islam nodding :) May Allah give them both a long life and benefit us!



محمد بشر لا كالبشر
Muhammad is a man, not like man
بل هو كالياقوت بين الحجر
Nay, truly! He is like a ruby amongst stones...

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Edited: 01.07.2009 04:24:46 by seeker
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 Posted 01.07.2009 05:41:44
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Yes, it seems like Shah Sahib asked Shaykh Ninowy to verify to the public that what he's reading from the book is accurate. Masha'Allah, the Shaykh confirmed everything Shah Sahib was reading as accurate qoutation.

Anyone has Shaykh Ninowy's speech before Hazrat Shah Sahib? could you upload it here?




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 Posted 01.07.2009 07:04:59
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subhanAllah, i love the two great syeds. May Allah give them long life with health so the muslims of the world keep benefitting from their guidance. ameen. i have never met hazrat syed yahya ninowy sahib but it feels to me that i have known him all my life.


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 Posted 01.07.2009 14:44:42
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Bismillahirahmaaniraheem

It is evident from speeches made by Muffakir e Islam that Hz Abu Bakr Sadiq (ra) are the highest after the Prophets according to Jamhoor e Ahle Sunnah.

Those who hold the view that Moula Ali (as) are the highest after the Prophets do not share THIS view with that of Muffakir e Islam. In fact Muffakir e Islam has shown the world how to love the blessed SAHABA of the Most blessed Prophet ever created.

It was because of this great love of the Sahaba Iqraam that Muffakir e Islam thought of it HIS right to defend those Sahabas from being labled as Deviant and Kaffir/Munafiqs by those who so blindly follow fanatical interpretation of loving Hz Abu Bakr (ra) that they call all those who do not accept him as the highest after the Prophets as being Deviant/Kaffir/Munafiq !.

Muffakir e Islam pointed out that it was NOT correct to lable those who held the view as that Hz Moula Ali (as) were the highest to be called Deviants or even Kaffirs as many Sahabas held that view.

The Sahabas who held the view that Moula Ali (as) were highest after the Prophets cannot be called any of such bad attributes, as it would be Haraam to call them Deviant or Kaffir. Maazallah Astagfirullah.

Those among the Ummah who decide to follow those Sahabas who held the view that Moula Ali (as) were the highest cannot be called deviant or Kaffir. For the simple reason they too are following the example of the Sahaba e Iqraam like Hz Bilaal Miqdaad Salman Farsi Abu Dharr Ammar Yassir may Allah (swt) send his blessing upon them and be pleased with them.

All Muffakir e Islam did was to make it clear that it was wrong to call anyone as a Kaffir or Deviant as it would amount to calling the blessed Sahaba as such. In defence of the Sahaba some people branded Muffakir e Islam as being Tafzeeli !.

Yet no one to this day has brought a atoms weight of evidence to prove that Pir Sayyid Abdul Qadir Jilani ever have said that Hz Ali (as) were the highest after the Prophets all they did was to defend the Sahabas who held this view. The reason being that no donkey seller has any right to defame a single Sahabi let alone speak bad about a large group of Sahabas who spoke highly of Imam Ali (as).

Does anyone know the view of the Ajwaaj e Mutahiraat and Bibi Pak Khatoon e Jannat alaisalaam? It would be interesting to know that its all down to personal choice of the Sahaba e Iqram (ra). For us its better to follow Muffakir e Islam who holds the view of the Jamhoor and are not ashamed of defending those beloved companions and blessed wives of our Holy Prophet (sawaw) who did not agree with the Jamhoor.

We hold the view that those Sahabas who held the view that Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra) were the highest were correct and those who held others as highest were also so correct !. Why ? because they knew them better than us.

I would like for everyone to be honest and think which is best to defend some Sahabas or to defend all of them ? Haq Chaar Yaar or Haq Sab Yaar ? Now we know those who think that some Sahabas were deviant and even kaffir for accepting Moula Ali (as) as the highest that for them Haq Chaar Yaar is MOST suitable and sustainable by their lies. :w00t:

Jazak umullahkhair




Ali (as) e Imam e manasto manum ghulaam e Ali (as)

Edited: 01.07.2009 15:03:50 by Zarb e Haidari
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